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Postby Radicalania » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:20 am

Had a think, next draft will have removed some of the smaller changed stat critiques- leaving employment, crime and Compassion/niceness critiques- the latter is quite significantly out, crime was meant to be a different stat entirely but specifically mentions crime, and the employment one was untrue for too long.

Hopefully this will take the focus away from stats and onto the "NB worked hard to be bad" issue, which his condemn should focus on.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 am

Radicalania wrote:Had a think, next draft will have removed some of the smaller changed stat critiques- leaving employment, crime and Compassion/niceness critiques- the latter is quite significantly out, crime was meant to be a different stat entirely but specifically mentions crime, and the employment one was untrue for too long.

Hopefully this will take the focus away from stats and onto the "NB worked hard to be bad" issue, which his condemn should focus on.

Compassion is 7th, Niceness is 25th. That's nowhere near 'significantly out'. Also, crime and compliance are polar opposites, AND DSB is 2nd last in crime rate anyway if you look at the bottom of that stat. You're only left with the employment one which was only one place and as a result still not a good thing to include.
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Postby Radicalania » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:51 am

I definitely owe you an apology for the crime one- I just went and rechecked my homework-, what I've done in my infinite wisdom is mix up NB (11th in crime) and DSB (Not 11th in crime). So sorry!!!

The Niceness/Compassion Stats were definitely significantly out. A claim of 2nd to 25th is quite noticable (but the less important of the two), but 2nd to not even being in the top 50- which is where the compassion stat wasn't- was quite a significant miss.

However, I do agree that a statistics section would need a few significant "got ya" stats, and theres only really 1 decent section for that. So I'll be taking that whole section out, and probably be replacing it with something attacking other questionable takes from the SCR. Looking forward to trying to word a video games retort thats not too violent :p
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 am

Radicalania wrote:
The Niceness/Compassion Stats were definitely significantly out. A claim of 2nd to 25th is quite noticable (but the less important of the two), but 2nd to not even being in the top 50- which is where the compassion stat wasn't- was quite a significant miss.


Even though you're gonna take this out, I'm rather stumped here. I only claimed Deep South Borland was 6th in compassion and 20th in niceness. They aren't out of the top 50 in compassion, nor did I claim they were 2nd in either of those stats.
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Postby And Spaces » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:08 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Radicalania wrote:Believing the Security Council to be a place for facts;

Horrified that the Security Council Commendation of Northern Borland not only featured, but believed the atrocities of the nation were commendable including:
  • Promoting a fast food industry at the expense of the nations health, resulting in a huge amount of deaths via Heart Disease and Scurvy


Good start, and that fast food connection is extra good! :) Too bad it goes downhill from here.
  • Citing slashing of environmental protections as a positive aspect, an issue which not only effects Northern Borland, but surrounding states
How?
  • The disgusting use of a child labour force, commended by this resolution
  • The horrific experience of being addicted to gambling to a point where children are failing to eat
This is too serious and grim. Try and add a few jokes or snark over here.
  • The applauded lack of public services including public transport, failing to meet the citizens basic needs
How is this bad, especially in light of this lack of public transport fuels an industry and jobs?
  • The disgusting level of joy taken in Northern Borlands unexpected death rate, highlighted by their booming child coffin business
This is funny, but did you take the child coffin phrase from the nation page directly? If you did, that's plagiarism (I think I saw it before, but can't be sure!)
  • The alarming level of corruption in the nations government, including absolute destruction of the right to fair trial guaranteed by the General Assembly
How is the GA relevant, especially when NB isn't even a WA member?
  • The horrific implications of religious genocide happening within the nation, as hinted at by -though unprovable due to lack of government statistics- the lack of religious diversity within the nation, and forced assimilation of the states religion


Where is this happening? This isn't Northern Borland at all.

Believing that Northern Borlands oppressive regime, evident by the amount of citizens who have just disappeared


If so many people are disappearing, maybe it's due to a non governmental factor? There can't be that many dissidents.

Shocked several inaccuracies in the Commendation of Northern Borland at it's time of proposal including:
  • Falsely claiming the nation is 2nd in the world in the field of employment, which at the time of submission was Ratateague, and had been for a significant amount of time before the proposal.
Fair point... until Northern Borland becomes 2nd in the world for some reason at some point again.
  • Minimising the achievements of Northern Borland as only 7th in the Industry of Gambling, when in fact they were higher at the point of submission.
  • Slandering Northern Borland as a mere 9th, something which the nation could boast as significantly higher at that point.


Mere 9th in what? And does the diminishment of stats here cancel out the exaggeration elsewhere? :p
  • Diminishing the efforts of Child Care Workers, who was in fact 20th at the time of submission.


20th in what?
  • Outright lying about the position of East Borlands Atheism, which sat at a mere at a lower rate at time of resolution passing- not the 5th claimed in the resolution. (8th)
  • Claiming Deep South Borland was among the nicest and most compassionate nations in the world, when in fact they were much much lower than claimed (25th and lower than 50th for compassionate).
Again, fair points. But compassion is only at 7th, one place. While my dumbass failure to double check the stats again should be vilified, it shouldn't be a repeal point. Nations change all the time. (For example, Kindjal's public health is now 5 places higher than the number in the commend.)
  • Shockingly leading people to believe Deep South Borland had a crime rate so low it ranked 2nd, when in fact a crime wave had recently sprouted in DSB (11th)


This is just outright lying. DSB is 2nd in the world for compliance.
  • Denying Deep South Borlands place as most religious state at the time.


So I'm ambiguous with the specific number here, and that should be repealed too? Really?

Noting the very limited international activity actioned by Northern Borland;


Incorrect on two counts. Northern Borland exports the 3rd most cheese internationally, and they were also a regional officer and 'stalwart pillar' of Capitalist Paradise.

Further noting Northern Borlands desire not to be commended;


Source? And link a source that is explicit and clear cut in NB not wanting a commendation, instead of that RMB post taken out of context.

Hoping future resolutions will not cite specific places in world statistics due to their volatile nature.

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Overall, not a good effort. You should try making it more humorous and tongue-in-cheek, like what Morover did with Repeal Condemn This Game. If you need any help with that, hmu ;)



Dude, stats aren’t commend-worthy. Most nations don’t even use them. When I make a commendation, I would say what they did on the world stage (ex. defending against raider regions)
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:56 am

And Spaces wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:
Good start, and that fast food connection is extra good! :) Too bad it goes downhill from here.
How?
This is too serious and grim. Try and add a few jokes or snark over here.
How is this bad, especially in light of this lack of public transport fuels an industry and jobs?
This is funny, but did you take the child coffin phrase from the nation page directly? If you did, that's plagiarism (I think I saw it before, but can't be sure!)
How is the GA relevant, especially when NB isn't even a WA member?


Where is this happening? This isn't Northern Borland at all.



If so many people are disappearing, maybe it's due to a non governmental factor? There can't be that many dissidents.

Fair point... until Northern Borland becomes 2nd in the world for some reason at some point again.


Mere 9th in what? And does the diminishment of stats here cancel out the exaggeration elsewhere? :p


20th in what?
Again, fair points. But compassion is only at 7th, one place. While my dumbass failure to double check the stats again should be vilified, it shouldn't be a repeal point. Nations change all the time. (For example, Kindjal's public health is now 5 places higher than the number in the commend.)


This is just outright lying. DSB is 2nd in the world for compliance.


So I'm ambiguous with the specific number here, and that should be repealed too? Really?



Incorrect on two counts. Northern Borland exports the 3rd most cheese internationally, and they were also a regional officer and 'stalwart pillar' of Capitalist Paradise.



Source? And link a source that is explicit and clear cut in NB not wanting a commendation, instead of that RMB post taken out of context.



Overall, not a good effort. You should try making it more humorous and tongue-in-cheek, like what Morover did with Repeal Condemn This Game. If you need any help with that, hmu ;)



Dude, stats aren’t commend-worthy. Most nations don’t even use them. When I make a commendation, I would say what they did on the world stage (ex. defending against raider regions)

I don't see you drafting any resolutions compared to Honeydew who has drafted many, including what you say "defending against raider regions."
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Postby Radicalania » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:32 am

Given the multiple resolutions hitting the queue, and one poorly written one nearly getting quorum, I'd like to actually submit this a bit sooner than initially intended, and am therefore asking for some final eagle eyed readers to make some final suggestions.
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Postby Maowi » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:48 pm

Radicalania wrote:Observing that the Security Council Commendation of Northern Borland not only featured, but believed the nation was commendable for reasons including:
  • Promoting a fast food industry at the expense of the nation's health, resulting in a huge amount of deaths via Heart Disease and Scurvy
  • Citing slashing of environmental protections as a positive aspect, an issue which not only affects Northern Borland, but surrounding states, via pollution, fracking, and mining, which have proven effects on the wider world

I recommend rephrasing as "The slashing of environmental protections as a positive aspect, an issue which [...]" etc. - if you read this bullet point following off from the main clause, you get "the Commendation believed the nation was commendable for reasons including citing slashing of environmental protections as a positive aspect," which I think is a bit unclear.

  • The experience of children being addicted to gambling to a point where they are failing to eat a healthy and balanced diet, indicated by the lack of fruit consumed by the nation

  • What is the "fruit" comment in reference to - is it the Health statistic? If so I think you could change your wording to make that a more direct link.

  • The use of a child labour force, commended by this resolution, likely correlating with an appalling life expectancy, resulting in their booming child coffin rate.

  • You have a full stop at the end here which I'd remove for consistency. Also, they definitely have an appalling life expectancy, so you can probably remove the "likely" here - unless you wanted to comment on the use of a child labour force likely causing, at least in part, the low life expectancy?

  • The level of corruption which is evident in the oppressive nation's government, which lacks even the basic right to fair trial guaranteed by the General Assembly, a body which this nation conveniently refuses to acknowledge

  • This General Assembly reference still seems a bit odd to me. I don't think refusing to join = refusing to acknowledge, and I'm not sure why they should join or really care about the General Assembly.

  • Corporal punishment being used to torture its citizenship into confession by the corrupt police force, in favour of a fair trial
  • Capital punishment being used to punish those accused of crimes, which in a nation with no prisons clearly further exasperates the shocking life expectencyexpectancy
  • The shoddy nuclear power strategy Northern Borland has, highlighted by the many deaths attributed to nuclear spillage, resulting in further deaths by cancer
  • The alarming proscriptionconscription of Child Soldiers, prohibited by this very World Assembly
  • The privatisation of services within the nation, which while normally not condemnable in itself, is in the case of Northern Borland, due to how poorly they are being operated and how negatively it has affected the citizenry

  • A couple of SPaG suggestions - also here again, I think the reference to General Assembly law is not really relevant.

    [*]The prioritisation of business executives need for suits over children's need to not be working in sweatshops.

    executives --> executives'
    (Also, very minor point but for consistency I would recommend removing the full stops at the end of these subclauses to match the rest of the proposal)

    Linking video games with crime, a ridiculous suggestion, and dispoven by great and crime free nations such as Kindjal.

    Small typo here - dispoven --> disproven

    Highlighting the very limited interregional activity actioned by Northern Borland in their role as Arbiter General;

    "Activity actioned" is slightly clumsy wording I think; you could go with "highlighting the very limited interregional effect of Northern Borland's actions as Arbiter General"?
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    Postby Radicalania » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 am

    Fun fact. Currently drafting a preemptive condemn.
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    Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:19 am

    Radicalania wrote:Fun fact. Currently drafting a preemptive condemn.

    Don’t bother, it was already done by a more experienced and better SC writer than you and it failed.

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    Postby Radicalania » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:46 am

    Hence me drafting with a more experienced author. They truly are deserving of an award for their stats, theres a lot of hard work went into them, and a condemn fits the bill perfectly.
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    Radicalania wrote:Hence me drafting with a more experienced author. They truly are deserving of an award for their stats, theres a lot of hard work went into them, and a condemn fits the bill perfectly.

    Unless it is well-written, I doubt a condemnation would pass. Of course, I wish you luck with that endeavor.
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    Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:05 am

    The Security Council proposal "Repeal "Commend Northern Borland"" [The Fash Bashing First Minister of Radicalania] failed to achieve quorum.

    Got closer than I thought it would, but thankfully the better repeal of the two submitted has reached quorum.
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    Postby Radicalania » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:30 am

    I still do not think Noah's was the better of the two, and it's just a case of a known author once again beating the new guy regardless of content. I think had three campaigns not advised folk to de-approve any other ones (Will have to learn more about counter counter-campaigns) mine would have hit Quorum.

    However, it didn't, so I'll be voting in favour of Noah's. Hopefully I'll have another idea for a resolution I actually am interested in.
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