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[SUBMITTED] Condemn Menta Lee-IL (Two, Electric Boogaloo)

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:42 pm
by Drew Durrnil
Drew Durrnil is at it again.

Drew Durrnil wrote:The Security Council,

Appalled at the suppression of human rights in their country;

Surprised at the names of their national fields, which force adoration onto their eponymously-named leader;

Horrified at their hateful views against the WA;

Baffled at their dictator-like rule over Psychotic Dictatorships, which has already been condemned;

Shocked that their motto is "DESTROYER OF DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, HUMAN RIGHTS, PEACE!!!";

Troubled by the nation's extremely authoritarian policies;

Distraught at them having the second most corrupt government in the world;

Aghast at their decrees, which indicate their leader as an insurmountable godly figure, including:

  • A decree which forces every resident of every nation to address Menta-Lee-IL (the person) as a name among the likes of "Dearest Leader", and a death sentence if addressed otherwise;
  • A decree which declares Menta Lee-IL (the person) to be above all beings and deities;

Alarmed that over 97% of all deaths are by mysterious disappearance, which, in reality, is presumably execution that is carried out by Menta Lee-IL's government;

Afraid that Menta Lee-IL would keep oppressing its citizens if no action is taken;

Hereby Condemns Menta Lee-IL.


Drew Durrnil wrote:The Security Council,

Appalled at the amount of suppression basic human rights receive in their country;

Surprised at the names of their national fields, which forces adoration onto their eponymously-named leader;

Baffled at their dictator-like rule over Psychotic Dictatorships, which has already been condemned;

Horrified at their hateful views against the WA, which includes a positive reaction to the aforementioned condemnation of Psychotic Dictatorships;

Shocked that their motto is "DESTROYER OF DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, HUMAN RIGHTS, PEACE!!!", which encourages the suppression of values that make up the WA;

Troubled by the nation's extremely authoritarian policies, including (but not limited to):
  • The prohibition of marriage, homosexuality, and marriages;
  • The prohibition of protests, elections, and private businesses;
  • The prohibition of human choice in areas such as parenting, abortion, and circumcision;
  • The poor quality of life, frequent executions, and torture for it's citizens;
  • The banning of simple items such as cigarettes (all kinds), Internet, drugs, cars, computers, alcohol, and aviation;
  • The prohibition of immigration and emigration;

Distraught at them having the second most corrupt government in the world;

Aghast at their decrees, which indicate their leader as an insurmountable godly figure, including:

  • A decree which forces every resident of every nation to address Menta-Lee-IL (the person) as a name among the likes of "Dearest Leader with a death sentence if addressed otherwise;
  • A decree which declares Menta Lee-IL (the person) to be above all beings, even the most powerful gods of a nation's religion;

Alarmed that over 97% of all deaths are by mysterious disappearance, which, in reality, is presumably execution that is carried out by Menta Lee-IL's government, with the majority of the remaining deaths caused by the government neglecting their citizens;

Afraid that Menta Lee-IL would keep oppressing their citizens if no action is taken;

Noting that Menta Lee-IL is a puppet state of Lancaster of Wessex, who has created issues for nations all over the multiverse that have results that are potentially catastrophic;

Concerned at the nation's extreme militarism, which is indicated by them having the third largest military and seventh largest arms manufacturing sector in the multiverse;

Hereby Condemns Menta Lee-IL.


Drew Durrnil wrote:The Security Council,

Appalled at the amount of suppression basic human rights receive, such as the freedom to protest, in Menta Lee-IL;

Surprised at the names of their national fields, which forces adoration onto their eponymously-named leader, possibly signaling that the Menta Lee-IL (the leader) rules all and no other citizen is of any value;

Horrified at their hateful views against the WA, which includes a positive reaction to the aforementioned condemnation of Psychotic Dictatorships and banning nations in Psychotic Dictatorships from joining the WA for some time;

Troubled by the nation's extremely authoritarian policies, including (but not limited to):
  • The prohibition of religion, homosexuality, and marriages;
  • The poor quality of life, frequent executions, and torture that is frequently performed on their citizens;
  • The banning of simple items such as The Internet, cars, and computers;

Distraught at them having the second most corrupt government in the world;

Aghast at their decrees, which indicate their leader as an insurmountable godly figure, including:

  • A decree which forces every resident of every nation to address Menta-Lee-IL (the person) as a name among the likes of "Dearest Leader with a death sentence if addressed otherwise;
  • A decree which declares Menta Lee-IL (the person) to be above all beings, even the most powerful gods of a nation's religion;
  • A decree that censures democracies, which is the most popular ideology in the Multiverse;

Alarmed that over 97% of all deaths are by mysterious disappearance, which, in reality, is presumably execution that is carried out by Menta Lee-IL's government, with the majority of the remaining deaths caused by the government neglecting their citizens;

Noting that Menta Lee-IL is a puppet state of Lancaster of Wessex, who has created issues for nations all over the multiverse that have results that are potentially catastrophic, including:
  • The ban of custom, symbol, and institution change, particularly name changes;
  • The ban of all kinds of tobacco;
  • The enforced ban of perfumes, body lotions, and deodorant;
  • Compulsory military service;

Concerned at Menta Lee-IL's extreme militarism, which is indicated by them having the third largest military and seventh largest arms manufacturing sector in the multiverse;

Afraid that Menta Lee-IL would keep oppressing their citizens if no action is taken;

Hereby Condemns Menta Lee-IL.


What are your opinions on this?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:41 pm
by Jedinsto
Full support, but I'm not sure if you can condemn someone who's not in the WA.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:18 pm
by Honeydewistania
Jedinsto wrote:Full support, but I'm not sure if you can condemn someone who's not in the WA.

You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:13 pm
by Drew Durrnil
Honeydewistania wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Full support, but I'm not sure if you can condemn someone who's not in the WA.

You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

Draft 2 has been made, fixing up the issues in the above post!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:23 pm
by American Pere Housh
"We definitely support this as they give dictatorships everywhere a bad rep."

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:25 pm
by Westinor
Maybe go a little bit more in depth about their role in Psychotic Dictatorships. It might be a little difficult to convince some that this condemn is warranted after the regional condemn was already passed, so I'd suggest buffing this up a bit with regards to what makes Menta so special ibeyond stats/policies.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:40 pm
by Honeydewistania
Drew Durrnil wrote:The Security Council,

Appalled at the amount of suppression basic human rights receive in their country;


This needs elaboration. What basic human rights are being suppressed? What is this country? I recommend mentioning the nation by name here.

Surprised at the names of their national fields, which forces adoration onto their eponymously-named leader;


Why is this condemnable?

Baffled at their dictator-like rule over Psychotic Dictatorships, which has already been condemned;


What is baffling about this, and why is this condemnable?

Horrified at their hateful views against the WA, which includes a positive reaction to the aforementioned condemnation of Psychotic Dictatorships;


This is good, and more could be added to it. Like how Menta Lee Il banned nations from joining the WA for some time.

Shocked that their motto is "DESTROYER OF DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, HUMAN RIGHTS, PEACE!!!", which encourages the suppression of values that make up the WA;


This kind of relates to the previous clause about fields forcing adoration, so I don't think this is needed. It's also just a motto - any nation could do this.

Troubled by the nation's extremely authoritarian policies, including (but not limited to):
  • The prohibition of marriage, homosexuality, and marriages;
  • The prohibition of protests, elections, and private businesses;
  • The prohibition of human choice in areas such as parenting, abortion, and circumcision;
  • The poor quality of life, frequent executions, and torture for it's citizens;
  • The banning of simple items such as cigarettes (all kinds), Internet, drugs, cars, computers, alcohol, and aviation;
  • The prohibition of immigration and emigration;


This is not that unique, unfortunately. Focus more on the high stats.

Aghast at their decrees, which indicate their leader as an insurmountable godly figure, including:

  • A decree which forces every resident of every nation to address Menta-Lee-IL (the person) as a name among the likes of "Dearest Leader with a death sentence if addressed otherwise;
  • A decree which declares Menta Lee-IL (the person) to be above all beings, even the most powerful gods of a nation's religion;


This could do with more content.

Afraid that Menta Lee-IL would keep oppressing their citizens if no action is taken;


This should be the penultimate clause instead.

Noting that Menta Lee-IL is a puppet state of Lancaster of Wessex, who has created issues for nations all over the multiverse that have results that are potentially catastrophic;


This 100% needs more elaboration, on what issues they caused, how many they caused, what its effects are etc.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:41 am
by Fauxia
Honeydewistania wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Full support, but I'm not sure if you can condemn someone who's not in the WA.

You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

What? How come I have never known this?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:34 pm
by Drew Durrnil
Draft 3 has been made!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:17 pm
by Hulldom
Drew Durrnil wrote:Draft 3 has been made!

One small note: saying "issues" is a reference to the game and is disallowed. "Operations", "problems", stuff similar to that will do, but not "issues" as I recall.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:49 pm
by Drew Durrnil
Hulldom wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Draft 3 has been made!

One small note: saying "issues" is a reference to the game and is disallowed. "Operations", "problems", stuff similar to that will do, but not "issues" as I recall.

Fixed, Draft 3.1 has been made
Edit: Draft 3.1 has been deleted

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:17 pm
by Sedgistan
Hulldom wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Draft 3 has been made!

One small note: saying "issues" is a reference to the game and is disallowed. "Operations", "problems", stuff similar to that will do, but not "issues" as I recall.

This is incorrect. "Issues" is fine, and has been used in previous resolutions, e.g. "Condemn Noahs Second Country".

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:32 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Fauxia wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

What? How come I have never known this?

Only confessed to it end of November last year.

viewtopic.php?p=38011665#p38011665

With regards to the draft, not sure. The fact that you’re on the third one in just over a day suggests to me you’re rushing it. Need to take your time and fully understand the feedback you’ve getting.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:35 pm
by Hulldom
Sedgistan wrote:
Hulldom wrote:One small note: saying "issues" is a reference to the game and is disallowed. "Operations", "problems", stuff similar to that will do, but not "issues" as I recall.

This is incorrect. "Issues" is fine, and has been used in previous resolutions, e.g. "Condemn Noahs Second Country".

Ah. I know people tend to shy away from using it, my apologies.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:44 pm
by Refuge Isle
Honeydewistania wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Full support, but I'm not sure if you can condemn someone who's not in the WA.

You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

I have mixed feelings about this proposal since control of the target nation, as far as I am aware, was passed to Psychotic Dictatorships' three chosen successor players. So it sorta feels like congratulating someone on someone else's work.

It would likely make more logical sense to describe Menta as a puppet of Lancaster of Wessex, and target that nation instead, except the RP of the two accounts is diametrically opposed. :unsure:

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:07 pm
by Drew Durrnil
Refuge Isle wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:You can and it has been done so in the past.

I like this proposal. It needs work, mainly fleshing out some of the clauses, but I like it.

Also, Menta Lee-Il is controlled by Lancaster of Wessex, who has authored 7 issues. You should incorporate that as well

I have mixed feelings about this proposal since control of the target nation, as far as I am aware, was passed to Psychotic Dictatorships' three chosen successor players. So it sorta feels like congratulating someone on someone else's work.

It would likely make more logical sense to describe Menta as a puppet of Lancaster of Wessex, and target that nation instead, except the RP of the two accounts is diametrically opposed. :unsure:

I'm talking about the past here, not the present.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:34 pm
by Outer Sparta
I really don't see any reason to condemn them, unless of course it's aimed at Lancaster of Wessex, the main nation who controls this puppet. However, LoW is a different player when played with that nation, so it really won't work in that sense. The condemnation of the region itself mentions a lot of your points, so to make sure it doesn't overlap, add more on what Menta Lee-IL did themselves.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:01 pm
by Drew Durrnil
submitted because I'm impatient

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:03 pm
by Honeydewistania
against

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:06 pm
by Outer Sparta
Not a condemnable enough target in my opinion. Opposed.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:48 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Outer Sparta wrote:Not a condemnable enough target in my opinion. Opposed.

Agreed - will not support this.

Edit: and it’s been marked as illegal.