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by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:21 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:42 pm
by Honeydewistania » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:18 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Lenlyvit » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:50 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Given how easy it was for the founder to be brought back last time, I'm absolutely dumbfounded on how you've not abandoned this idea yet.
by Great Algerstonia » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:34 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:43 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:Honeydewistania wrote:Given how easy it was for the founder to be brought back last time, I'm absolutely dumbfounded on how you've not abandoned this idea yet.
Because the founder won't stay here, and leaves the region vulnerable. TNI deserves to get what it dished out for so many years.
by Varanius » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:24 pm
Angeloid Astraea wrote:I can't think of anyone that creates controversy out of nothing better than you!
Excidium Planetis wrote:Yeah, if you could enlighten me as to why you're such an asshole, that would be great.
Koth wrote:Vara is such a dedicated hater, it's impressive
Mlakhavia wrote:Vara isn't a gameplay personality, he's a concentrated ball of spite
by Kingdom Of Englands » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am
by Nova Vandalia » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:21 am
by Refuge Isle » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:51 am
by Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Nova Vandalia wrote:Lenly, I feel like we are always in opposition to each other, which is a shame. I don't think this is warranted, reading back to the January debate, it seems like and I apologize for my colorful language here "pissin' on an old enemy's grave." Only thing is does is make you look bad when the Grave keepers catches you and the whole town finds out.
TNI is inactive. It hasn't done anything in a long time. If you want to do something about all those nations they attacked why not write a condemn for Onder, rather than liberating a region only they care about. Do something relevant.
Like I fully support and appreciate you candor on at least what I perceive is you reasoning, which is spite, and I'm always down to be spiteful, but you can do better than liberating a long dead region.
Refuge Isle wrote:If this is being seriously floated again, allow me to state my disapproval.
It isn't morally or ideologically consistent for me to say that I'm against regions getting invaded and then turn around and say that it's justified here. Not because there's an argument to be had on regional sovereignty, but because the type of justice that you're floating is one based around revenge and retaliation. The classic "drink of your own medicine". That sort of Hammurabi-branded thinking has no productive value. I won't abide malicious region destruction, regardless of what the gameplay alignment of the natives are.
Ideology aside, I feel you're looking at this region from a misguided frame of reference. You may, for example, value THTHI. You may have strong feelings if it were refounded, but I wouldn't put that projection onto raiding orgs. It isn't as though you will stop or even damage raiding by deleting an old forgotten region. Even if TNI were active, the prudent move would simply be to move to another region and continue raiding per usual. In the end, nothing is accomplished except to demonstrate that your values are entirely pliable.
At least let neutral onlookers be able to discern the difference between the two factions.
by Refuge Isle » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:39 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:Duly noted Refuge. My values are the same as they've always been, and revenge is a dish best served cold. It doesn't matter is TNI is dead, those they've wronged are still around. I'll probably submit this soon with a possibility of some minor tweaks.
by HumanSanity » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:41 pm
Sandaoguo wrote:HS is worth 100 times more than the insubstantial (to borderline non-existent) benefits the TNP-TSP “alliance” has created over the last several years.
by Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:51 pm
by WayNeacTia » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:17 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:Not every resolution needs to have a strategy in order to pass, HumanSanity. You, as well as Refuge, are vastly underestimating the natives that have been violated over the years by both raider and imperialist forces. That, coupled with the remnants of the FRA spread out over NS, is a component in any vote. Your objections and reasonings are noted, and I value your opinions, but I honestly do not care if it fails or not.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:00 pm
Wayneactia wrote:Lenlyvit wrote:Not every resolution needs to have a strategy in order to pass, HumanSanity. You, as well as Refuge, are vastly underestimating the natives that have been violated over the years by both raider and imperialist forces. That, coupled with the remnants of the FRA spread out over NS, is a component in any vote. Your objections and reasonings are noted, and I value your opinions, but I honestly do not care if it fails or not.
So this is about revenge? Highly questionable motive from a TITO Knight. Aren't you supposed to stand for honor and virtue and doing only what is noble?
by A Bloodred Moon » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:28 am
Lenlyvit wrote:revenge is a dish best served cold.
It doesn't matter is TNI is dead, those they've wronged are still around.
The Security Council,
Naming the target of this resolution to remove a password to be The New Inquisition (hereafter known as TNI), a region which had no regard for the regional sovereignty of others during the years it was active;
Believing that when TNI violated the sovereignty of other regions like previously said before they gave up any rights they had to protect their regional borders, borders which are now vulnerable after the regions founder ceased to exist more than two years ago;
Listing two kinds of the various violations of regional sovereignty to be:
- The support and execution of multiple Coup Détat's within the Feeder and Sinker regions of The East Pacific (2008 Empire Coup), Osiris (2013 Gatesville coup), and The Rejected Realms (2012 UIAF coup),
- The attack on innocent communities such as Canada, Scotland, Valhalla, Australia, and Middle Earth by TNI's armed forces for no stated purpose.
Arguing once again that the listed attacks, although perpetrated many years ago at this point, are more than enough reason to deny TNI the ability to protect their region in their time of vulnerability;
Stating that the mission of this body is to "spread peace and goodwill, via force if necessary", and that this resolution will do just that by spreading goodwill through allowing the forces of the defender world to strike back at a region that once crushed innocent communities under its heels;
by Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:10 am
A Bloodred Moon wrote:Lenlyvit wrote:revenge is a dish best served cold.
Yes, congratulations to the defenders supporting this. I can hardly get myself to be angry at anything recent, let alone get angry at an enemy I never faced in the name of an organisation I never served in. But I suppose defenders couldn't beat TNI when it was alive, so five years after it died you try to drag up the ghost of the region to beat it.
Perhaps you should try a different ingredient than salt in your dishes.It doesn't matter is TNI is dead, those they've wronged are still around.
But you sure as hell aren't one of them, and I haven't seen them around in the thread at all. As is common with defenders, you seem very eager to crusade on the behalf of people who aren't.The Security Council,
Naming the target of this resolution to remove a password to be The New Inquisition (hereafter known as TNI), a region which had no regard for the regional sovereignty of others during the years it was active;
At least an honest line to start, though your whining about regional sovereignty while trying to take away the password of a sovereign region is amusing.Believing that when TNI violated the sovereignty of other regions like previously said before they gave up any rights they had to protect their regional borders, borders which are now vulnerable after the regions founder ceased to exist more than two years ago;
"like previously said before" is an error, I believe. Their borders are perfectly safe with the password in place, and the founder is alive, but sure.Listing two kinds of the various violations of regional sovereignty to be:
- The support and execution of multiple Coup Détat's within the Feeder and Sinker regions of The East Pacific (2008 Empire Coup), Osiris (2013 Gatesville coup), and The Rejected Realms (2012 UIAF coup),
- The attack on innocent communities such as Canada, Scotland, Valhalla, Australia, and Middle Earth by TNI's armed forces for no stated purpose.
My favourite, seeing supposed "defenders" make a difference once more between the GCRs and the UCRs despite claiming they do not. The Rejected Realms was not a coup and it was not carried out by the UIAF, as any basic research would have pointed out. Furthermore, the UIAF turned against Gatesville and forced them to negotiate an end to the coup. All of this is documented in the condemnation.Arguing once again that the listed attacks, although perpetrated many years ago at this point, are more than enough reason to deny TNI the ability to protect their region in their time of vulnerability;
"We weren't wronged by TNI, and hardly anyone still around was either, but we can still be angry in their stead."Stating that the mission of this body is to "spread peace and goodwill, via force if necessary", and that this resolution will do just that by spreading goodwill through allowing the forces of the defender world to strike back at a region that once crushed innocent communities under its heels;
That seems neither very peaceful nor to be spreading much goodwill, given even some defenders seem to be opposing it.
by Varanius » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:23 pm
Angeloid Astraea wrote:I can't think of anyone that creates controversy out of nothing better than you!
Excidium Planetis wrote:Yeah, if you could enlighten me as to why you're such an asshole, that would be great.
Koth wrote:Vara is such a dedicated hater, it's impressive
Mlakhavia wrote:Vara isn't a gameplay personality, he's a concentrated ball of spite
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:44 pm
The support and execution of multiple Coup Détat's within the Feeder and Sinker regions of The East Pacific (2008 Empire Coup), Osiris (2013 Gatesville coup), and The Rejected Realms (2012 UIAF coup),
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by HumanSanity » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:51 pm
A Bloodred Moon wrote:It doesn't matter is TNI is dead, those they've wronged are still around.
But you sure as hell aren't one of them, and I haven't seen them around in the thread at all. As is common with defenders, you seem very eager to crusade on the behalf of people who aren't.
Sandaoguo wrote:HS is worth 100 times more than the insubstantial (to borderline non-existent) benefits the TNP-TSP “alliance” has created over the last several years.
by Unibot III » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:52 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Onderkelkia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:38 pm
Unibot III wrote:I love all the people commenting about “what’s the point, TNI is dead” — Onder made a point of colonizing and destroying small, inactive regions for years and justifying his behaviour based on their inactivity. His creed was you had a right to exert sovereignty over the weak and the defenseless, because they were weak and defenseless.
by Cormactopia Prime » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:03 pm
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