[Draft] Commend Honeydewistania

[Wallenburg]

An author is an advocate for their proposal, and a commendation is an advocate for its nominee. There is neither room nor circumstance for dry, dispassionate reporting of a nominee's accomplishments.

[Pluvie]

I probably have a boring opinion here, sure seems like a lotta folks share it, but this resolution really is very formulaic. There’s no kind of story at all, nothing about Honeydew as a person at all, just sorta lists cool things they’ve done and that kind of resolution is just not my thing. Aside from all the GP argument here, I just honestly don’t think there seems to be any spark to this particular res. All respect to the author but I personally would try and write it to be at least a little less clunky which imo wouldn’t be all that difficult with the amount of accomplishments, WA and otherwise, that Honeydew has.

That and also authoring a resolution for the person who just commended you feels a little o.O to me

[Bormiar]

Reading over this again, it's the second list that really makes me think "oh god this is so boring". Might wanna try to limit yourself to one list, for starters. I tend to do one just because it breaks up the resolution into different parts to make it easier on the eyes, and would even go up to two, but I'd go with nice bulky clauses if you do two.

[Comfed]

I’m personally against the proposal. I see absolutely 0 reason to commend someone simply for participating in the World Assembly’s little club. There are so many things one can do in this game, being part of the WA’s little club just isn’t worth a commendation.

W-what? Little club? Sorry, there’s no little club anymore than GP or cards or issues or R/D or RP is a “little club”.

EDIT: Stale resolutions only work in the GA. Add some feeling into your draft and I’ll consider it.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

This is formulaic beyond the point of staleness. The achievements are there but they are listed as if you were submitting a resume.

Agree wholeheartedly with this statement. HoneyD is probably worth a Commendation, but this draft seems dry and dusty. Can't support this in its present form.

[HumanSanity]

OOC:

Okie, I agree with the consensus the resolution is dry and needs story and passion but is a commendable nominee. Question is how we get it and where we get it from. A few thoughts:

1. I think their work with MT Army should be earlier in the draft and should be fleshed out more. This is the first thing I ever knew about Honeydew, and is probably the thing that he inevitably comes back to as his #1 priority.

• What did they do in MT Army? Any roles? What did they do in those roles? Things like recruitment, retention, programs development, etc. are more important to the development of any organization than just what operations did they do. Probably talk to someone in MT Army about this if you haven't already.
• If/when you list operations, don't just call them all "operations". Also explain why the operation was significant, both in terms of the region targeted and Honeydew's role in the operation. What technical expertise did Honeydew contribute?
• In order to make space for this, take the 3 operations currently in the list and don't give each it's own bullet point, instead fitting into a shorter more comprehensive clause.
• Part of Honeydew's promotion of the MT Army is also political. Put their Commendations of Vippertooth33, TRF, and SL in this section instead of in WA authorship sections, because it relates promoting anti-fascism in NS. Thematic organization > functional organization.

2. I think you need fewer characters about how many things they co-authored and more about why it's significant that they are dedicated to co-authoring things. A lot of the resolutions Honeydew has co-authored (for example GA#509 and GA#526) are with first time authors. Outside of the effect of the resolution itself, there's something Commendable about making time to work with new authors as a co-author to show them the ropes.

3. Honeydew's devotion to the WA itself goes beyond just authorship, Honeydew is on the WA staff of what feels like half of NS. How have they contributed to the WA offices in TNP, TSP, etc.?

4. Maybe carve out space for Honeydew's region building accomplishments. They have a significant role in Lazarus and in the URA, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe talk to sources in those regions/organizations about Honeydew has contributed, this would help make a more well-rounded resolution.

5. For Honeydew's WA resolutions, break them up more thematically instead of by chamber. Commend Kenmoria could maybe be done as part of Honeydew's respect for the GA. Commend Praetor and Condemn NSC could be done in terms of Honeydew's engagement with the cards community. It seems like a few of these GA resolutions could be grouped together as being pro-environment resolutions and a clause could be made about that. Some also fall into the "repeal and replace" style bucket, maybe a clause could be made about that.

6. Get rid of some of these straggling clauses. The Applauding and Believing clauses are generic and could be stuck on any Commend. What does the Acknowledging clause mean?

[Big Bad Badger]

This nation has done virtually nothing commend worthy. There are hundreds of Nations that deserve commendation before this one. Big pass!

[Bormiar]

100% agree with HS. I would also say that you should only mention WA resolutions you feel are important.

[Mancheseva City]

Acknowledging Honeydewistania for their efforts in bringing the issue of gender disparity in sports to the fore of discussion;

This clause looks a little out of place, why is it here?

Otherwise, I don't believe that not being colourfully written should be a reason not to accept this resolution; however, there have been some valid concerns raised about other issues with the resolution.

[Boston Castle]

Acknowledging Honeydewistania for their efforts in bringing the issue of gender disparity in sports to the fore of discussion;

This clause looks a little out of place, why is it here?

Otherwise, I don't believe that not being colourfully written should be a reason not to accept this resolution; however, there have been some valid concerns raised about other issues with the resolution.

The original version of this clause mentioned the issue by name. Prae amended it in the shared space we were working on this on, and I accepted the revision.

[HumanSanity]

This clause looks a little out of place, why is it here?

Otherwise, I don't believe that not being colourfully written should be a reason not to accept this resolution; however, there have been some valid concerns raised about other issues with the resolution.

The original version of this clause mentioned the issue by name. Prae amended it in the shared space we were working on this on, and I accepted the revision.

You could inform Prae he's wrong, as he very often is.

Or alternatively you can keep it the way it is but we need an explanation of why this matters. Why do we care that we're now discussing gender disparity in sports?

[Boston Castle]

The original version of this clause mentioned the issue by name. Prae amended it in the shared space we were working on this on, and I accepted the revision.

You could inform Prae he's wrong, as he very often is.

Or alternatively you can keep it the way it is but we need an explanation of why this matters. Why do we care that we're now discussing gender disparity in sports?

I’m probably going to revert to the original clause I had which mentioned the issue by name. Also, thank you for your comments up the thread. It may be tomorrow or Thursday before a new-ish draft is up, but I plan to co-opt, and hopefully address, a large portion of your comments.

[Noahs Second Country]

Honestly this would be a lot more entertaining as a condemnation. Probably more fitting too.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

[Ransium]

I’m not asking about legality. But it’s poor form nonetheless and I won’t vote for it (if it is. To be fair, it’s not hard to “convince” me otherwise).

Nope.

I will note that Ransium commended Drasnia and Drasnia commended Ransium including that Ransium commended Drasnia in the commendation.

I just saw this. For the record, Drasnia never asked me to commend him and I’m sure it was a surprise to him when I first asked him about it. When Drasnia commended me (which I also never asked him to do) he initially left out my commendation of him in my accomplishments, when he asked me to read over the draft for accuracy before putting it on the forums he initially left of my commendation of him. I thought that was a bit silly since he went into some detail about my other passed resolutions and encouraged him to put it in which he ultimately did. I guess it was a bit awkward and seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way but it never bothered me. It’s not like either of us really needed the other to get commended as I’m confident any competent author could have passed either.

[Boston Castle]

Honestly this would be a lot more entertaining as a condemnation. Probably more fitting too.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Would that sort of tongue-in-cheek thing be okay with Honeydew is the question. I can certainly ask though.

[As a more general note, ESPECIALLY on this nation. I would advise everyone to be aware that should the drafting process stretch into mid-January, this would likely be submitted on my older primary nation, Hulldom, as I will need WA there for reasons.]

[Fauxia]

Nope.

I will note that Ransium commended Drasnia and Drasnia commended Ransium including that Ransium commended Drasnia in the commendation.

I just saw this. For the record, Drasnia never asked me to commend him and I’m sure it was a surprise to him when I first asked him about it. When Drasnia commended me (which I also never asked him to do) he initially left out my commendation of him in my accomplishments, when he asked me to read over the draft for accuracy before putting it on the forums he initially left of my commendation of him. I thought that was a bit silly since he went into some detail about my other passed resolutions and encouraged him to put it in which he ultimately did. I guess it was a bit awkward and seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way but it never bothered me. It’s not like either of us really needed the other to get commended as I’m confident any competent author could have passed either.

I remember that exchange, now that I think of it...

Or, maybe "exchange" is a poor choice of words here.

[WayNeacTia]

I see nothing even remotely commendable here. Passing resoultions is now all it takes for a shiny badge and backpatting?

The operation on The United Nations of 9Pol, a region with fascist origins, wherein Honeydewistania contributed with their technical expertise,

Elaborate please? What technical expertise did they bring to the table? I am quite certain, if this operation was of any major importance, The Red Fleet would have been there, and their "technical expertise" far outshines anything Honeydew is bringing to the table. I can assure you.

The operation on The Red States, another region which fell to the fascist scourge, wherein Honeydewistania successfully held the region during their time as a regional officer there, resisting a fascist pile,

Once again, elaborate? How exactly, as a regional officer did Honeydew manage to resist a fascist pile?

The operation on Northern Redlands, a joint operation with other anti-fascist forces against a region with a long history of spreading a message of hate;

More sound bites huh? Really grasping at straws here.

So as I said earlier, NOTHING here merits international attention, or praise. They are a resolution author. Nothing more and nothing less.

Opposed.

[Comfed]

Sorry, but remind me, how is running multiple anti-fascist operations and passing many, many WA resolutions “nothing remotely commendable”?

[Varanius]

Sorry, but remind me, how is running multiple anti-fascist operations and passing many, many WA resolutions “nothing remotely commendable”?

Writing resolutions simply isn’t commendable, and even if they were, I believe Refuge already addressed why the written resolutions in question aren’t exactly the most commendable. And to the multiple anti-fascist operation, while certainly admirable, without the WA resolution, which I don’t believe should be there in the first place, aren’t commendable. And on that note, I look forward to your commendation of the NPO, for similar anti-fascist operations

[Comfed]

Sorry, but remind me, how is running multiple anti-fascist operations and passing many, many WA resolutions “nothing remotely commendable”?

Writing resolutions simply isn’t commendable, and even if they were, I believe Refuge already addressed why the written resolutions in question aren’t exactly the most commendable. And to the multiple anti-fascist operation, while certainly admirable, without the WA resolution, which I don’t believe should be there in the first place, aren’t commendable. And on that note, I look forward to your commendation of the NPO, for similar anti-fascist operations

I think enough resolutions are commendable. It's not an easy task to pass one.

And you're right, anti-fascist operations don't justify a commendation on their own. Doesn't mean they need to be left out.

[Bormiar]

I'm with Refuge et al. on this one. Coincidentally Honeydewistania chooses resolutions that are easy for him to write and tries to rapid fire them à la Abacathea. There's never a set number of resolution that an author must write before they get commended— at least there shouldn't be. What's important is whether or not Honeydewistania brings thoughtful, creative, meticulous, daring, revolutionary, or any other adjective synonymous to "commendable" in their work. If their resolutions do stray from the norm — or if the gestalt of their SC career is anything special or matured — I haven't seen that proven in this draft.

As for fash-bashing, I have to say that no matter how moral or popular it is, it's far easier (and therefore less commendable) than conventional R/D. Insofar that fash-bashers do have competition, it's hardly competent. And those orgs have support from pretty much every major raiding / independent organization. The fash-bashers that I know admit to the lack of difficulty, so I find it hard to put much weight into those clauses.

My current vote is a hard no— both for content and quality. Convince me, Boston!

[The Python]

Already for.

[Boston Castle]

I'm with Refuge et al. on this one. Coincidentally Honeydewistania chooses resolutions that are easy for him to write and tries to rapid fire them à la Abacathea. There's never a set number of resolution that an author must write before they get commended— at least there shouldn't be. What's important is whether or not Honeydewistania brings thoughtful, creative, meticulous, daring, revolutionary, or any other adjective synonymous to "commendable" in their work. If their resolutions do stray from the norm — or if the gestalt of their SC career is anything special or matured — I haven't seen that proven in this draft.

As for fash-bashing, I have to say that no matter how moral or popular it is, it's far easier (and therefore less commendable) than conventional R/D. Insofar that fash-bashers do have competition, it's hardly competent. And those orgs have support from pretty much every major raiding / independent organization. The fash-bashers that I know admit to the lack of difficulty, so I find it hard to put much weight into those clauses.

My current vote is a hard no— both for content and quality. Convince me, Boston!

And as I mentioned-a second draft is on the way. I’m afraid there’s been someone natural delays in terms of review by individuals who I feel comfortable sharing the draft Google doc with (for personal reasons), but it should *hopefully* be up tomorrow or Saturday.

[Varanius]

And now I’m agreeing with Borm and Refuge again, what a world

[WayNeacTia]

Sorry, but remind me, how is running multiple anti-fascist operations and passing many, many WA resolutions “nothing remotely commendable”?

Please elaborate on exactly what anti-fascist operations Honeydew is running please? Weren't they involved with Lennox and Old Zealand/Wooloo pact there at some point? Not shining examples of anti-fascistic operations if you ask me, considering Lennox's primary method of fash-bashing, is to simply found (not re-found) regions with remotely nazi themed names all in the name of fash-bashing.