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(Draft) Condemn Tinhampton

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Refuge Isle
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Postby Refuge Isle » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:07 am

Refuge Isle wrote:I can probably think of a more difficult player to commend, but it would certainly take some time. :blush:

I found one.

For serious feedback, you should be aware if you are not already that condemnations and commendations are both in character, and only different in their theme and tone (whether the celebrate the hero of a story or the villain). It's my opinion that Tinhampton does not qualify for a condemnation being a bit of a nusance on WA issues. Of her four WA resolutions, two were opportunistic repeals. Of the two that were serious, one did not last but ten days on the books. Recently, of course, Tin has been far more known for her wild attempts at unsuccessful WA proposals. Based on my count, that's five defeats this year. To be celebrated for playing the role of a villain, you must first be good at it.

She's certainly good at sending telegrams, but getting members to block WA campaign telegrams is also not something I would consider to be condemnable.

There is no chance I would support this resolution, even were it the best I had ever seen.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:30 pm

Tiberia Maritima wrote:That seems to be the trend with Tinhampton proposals, little research and filler to burnish their reputation as a WA resolution author.

Same with proposals about Tinhampton considering this one doesn't seem to make the cut?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:57 pm

Fuck no. If we condemned people for being a pain in the ass, that is all we would ever be doing.

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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Tinhampton write it for you as well?

Forget it is my opinion, the SC is not going to Condemn someone for being a pain in the backside.

I have even more reasons to condemn you now so just get off this forum and let us be.

I can see you are a ray of sunshine. Your time here is likely to be far shorter than you would like it to be, should you continue on this course of action.

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Postby Attancia » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:25 am

Refuge Isle wrote:For serious feedback, you should be aware if you are not already that condemnations and commendations are both in character, and only different in their theme and tone (whether the celebrate the hero of a story or the villain). It's my opinion that Tinhampton does not qualify for a condemnation being a bit of a nusance on WA issues. Of her four WA resolutions, two were opportunistic repeals. Of the two that were serious, one did not last but ten days on the books. Recently, of course, Tin has been far more known for her wild attempts at unsuccessful WA proposals. Based on my count, that's five defeats this year. To be celebrated for playing the role of a villain, you must first be good at it.

Noted. Though, I would argue that Tinhampton is good at being a "Villain". Their infamy more than makes up for their disappointing direct actions.

Refuge Isle wrote:There is no chance I would support this resolution, even were it the best I had ever seen.

Understood, and I'm afraid I cannot change that view. Thank you for the feedback :)
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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm

While I cannot speak for other WA members, and thus cannot say for sure how many people agree with it, I tend to view both commendations and condemnations as acknowledgements of notable things that a nation has achieved over the course of their presence on NS.

With that in mind, I don't think cluttering the World Assembly with pointless filler proposals is worthy of any sort of reward. Annoying other people by tossing tons of stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks does not sound like much of an achievement, anyway, and rewarding such behaviour would, if anything, be a bad standard to set, as I feel it may encourage some to start doing the exact same thing. After all, in that scenario, someone was already rewarded for doing it, so why not try that as well?

I'll be real, this seems like little more than a waste of your own time and energy. There's little substance here, other than the argument that Tinhampton is cluttering the WA with filler proposals, which is an argument I've already stated my opinion on. Unless you can magic some kind of massive raider past out of the void, I don't think you have any sort of a basis for a condemnation here.
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Postby Attancia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:44 pm

BlackLight Covenant wrote:While I cannot speak for other WA members, and thus cannot say for sure how many people agree with it, I tend to view both commendations and condemnations as acknowledgements of notable things that a nation has achieved over the course of their presence on NS.

With that in mind, I don't think cluttering the World Assembly with pointless filler proposals is worthy of any sort of reward. Annoying other people by tossing tons of stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks does not sound like much of an achievement, anyway, and rewarding such behaviour would, if anything, be a bad standard to set, as I feel it may encourage some to start doing the exact same thing. After all, in that scenario, someone was already rewarded for doing it, so why not try that as well?

I'll be real, this seems like little more than a waste of your own time and energy. There's little substance here, other than the argument that Tinhampton is cluttering the WA with filler proposals, which is an argument I've already stated my opinion on. Unless you can magic some kind of massive raider past out of the void, I don't think you have any sort of a basis for a condemnation here.

These are all fair points. I'll wait to hear some more opinions, but the general consensus as of now seems to be that Tinhampton isn't worthy of a condemnation.

Thanks for the feedback. :)
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"Attancia proved last night that he isn't a clown" -Furbish Islands

"Attancia is slightly less retarded now" -I forgot the name someone in TL discord once

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Postby South St Maarten » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:58 am

Attancia wrote:
BlackLight Covenant wrote:While I cannot speak for other WA members, and thus cannot say for sure how many people agree with it, I tend to view both commendations and condemnations as acknowledgements of notable things that a nation has achieved over the course of their presence on NS.

With that in mind, I don't think cluttering the World Assembly with pointless filler proposals is worthy of any sort of reward. Annoying other people by tossing tons of stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks does not sound like much of an achievement, anyway, and rewarding such behaviour would, if anything, be a bad standard to set, as I feel it may encourage some to start doing the exact same thing. After all, in that scenario, someone was already rewarded for doing it, so why not try that as well?

I'll be real, this seems like little more than a waste of your own time and energy. There's little substance here, other than the argument that Tinhampton is cluttering the WA with filler proposals, which is an argument I've already stated my opinion on. Unless you can magic some kind of massive raider past out of the void, I don't think you have any sort of a basis for a condemnation here.

These are all fair points. I'll wait to hear some more opinions, but the general consensus as of now seems to be that Tinhampton isn't worthy of a condemnation.

Thanks for the feedback. :)

I'll emulate the statements above, if you are looking to hear from more people. Not an inditement on the proposal itself, just there isn't enough basis on which to condemn Timhampton

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