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The Security Council,

Observing that Alvonia Founder, the founder of the region known as Alvonia, has, on multiple occasions, left Alvonia, causing chaos in the governance of the region, before returning and overthrowing the free, democratic government that had been created in the absence of a founder;

Shocked at the most recent coup d’etat by Alvonia Founder, in which the democratically elected king of Alvonia, Prussian-Germany, was expelled from Alvonia, despite the opposition to Alvonia Founder’s actions by many of Alvonia’s citizens;

Horrified at the brutal civil war the actions of Alvonia Founder have precipitated, into which multiple other regions have been dragged, which has devastated the population of Alvonia, reducing the number of resident nations by more than half;

Disgusted at Alvonia Founder's stated reason for overthrowing the government, which was to utilize Alvonia's recently ratified alliance with Prudentia, OmniOne, Imperial Kingdoms, the Treaty Of Berlin Alliance Confederation, to conquer other regions;

Appalled at the threats of invasion leveled by Alvonia Founder towards the regions of Prudentia and OmniOne, then allies of Alvonia, for refusing to support Alvonia Founder's ambitions of conquest in the aftermath of the recent coup d’etat;

Hereby Condemns Alvonia Founder

Comfed wrote:So an inactive founder started a fight in their region?

Not condemnable.

Romano-Campania wrote:

Comfed wrote:So an inactive founder started a fight in their region?

Not condemnable.

Are there specific rules for what is and isn’t condemnable, or is that just precedent? I haven’t found anything in the rules.

Comfed wrote:So an inactive founder started a fight in their region?

Not condemnable.

Morover wrote:...it just sounds like Alvonia Founder is doing a poor job at managing their region. If you don't like it, there are hundreds upon hundreds of other regions out there you can join - you can even start your own one.

Outer Sparta wrote:Alvonia's a tiny region without much significance in the NS verse, so they don't deserve a condemnation.

Romano-Campania wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Alvonia's a tiny region without much significance in the NS verse, so they don't deserve a condemnation.

Before the recent coup, Alvonia had a population of a little over 30 nations, most of which then left the region, which is why it's only 14 now.

I also don't see why the population of a region should matter. The proposal is also leveled at the founder, not the region.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Romano-Campania wrote:Before the recent coup, Alvonia had a population of a little over 30 nations, most of which then left the region, which is why it's only 14 now.

I also don't see why the population of a region should matter. The proposal is also leveled at the founder, not the region.

Still doesn't seem like enough to merit a condemnation.

Romano-Campania wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Alvonia's a tiny region without much significance in the NS verse, so they don't deserve a condemnation.

Before the recent coup, Alvonia had a population of a little over 30 nations, most of which then left the region, which is why it's only 14 now.

I also don't see why the population of a region should matter. The proposal is also leveled at the founder, not the region.

Romano-Campania wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Alvonia's a tiny region without much significance in the NS verse, so they don't deserve a condemnation.

Before the recent coup, Alvonia had a population of a little over 30 nations, most of which then left the region, which is why it's only 14 now.

I also don't see why the population of a region should matter. The proposal is also leveled at the founder, not the region.

The Moscow Soviet Red Army wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Still doesn't seem like enough to merit a condemnation.

me was there and it does deserve a condemnation. comrades have to realize that founders just can't rip up the region and government THEY APPOVED OF because they are dictators. this could happen in any region, and any government that doesn't have the founder as the leader (like, say, republics?) are at risk for this very thing. me hopes that this will not become more Parisian bickering, because it would be nice for the WA to do something that actually matters.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Nothing Condemnable here. Founders can do what they like in their regions. And note that having Tinhampton’s support means nothing - it’s usually considered the kiss of death to any proposal.

Next please.

Wayneactia wrote:

Romano-Campania wrote:Before the recent coup, Alvonia had a population of a little over 30 nations, most of which then left the region, which is why it's only 14 now.

I also don't see why the population of a region should matter. The proposal is also leveled at the founder, not the region.

And still, no one cares. It is a regional dispute. It is not worth our time.

Prussian-Germany wrote:Also, I am not going to lobby for nor against this bill. Personally, I was there, I was the one that had this all happen too, and just thinking about it, it could happen at the largest of the large and the smallest regions in NS. Crush it before this becomes a precedent that founders do.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Prussian-Germany wrote:Also, I am not going to lobby for nor against this bill. Personally, I was there, I was the one that had this all happen too, and just thinking about it, it could happen at the largest of the large and the smallest regions in NS. Crush it before this becomes a precedent that founders do.

So you're basically lobbying for this proposal. Frankly, many of the SC regulars don't think this proposal is worth the time to vote on.

Prussian-Germany wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:So you're basically lobbying for this proposal. Frankly, many of the SC regulars don't think this proposal is worth the time to vote on.

Not so. I never wanted this nor asked for it. I'm just here, trying to rebuild and not be crushed my bigger regions.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Prussian-Germany wrote:
Not so. I never wanted this nor asked for it. I'm just here, trying to rebuild and not be crushed my bigger regions.

Then it's definitely a regional issue, one you guys can deal with.

Prussian-Germany wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Then it's definitely a regional issue, one you guys can deal with.

Until it happens in your region, and you come running here to get a condemnation.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Prussian-Germany wrote:
Until it happens in your region, and you come running here to get a condemnation.

Not something I would do in that case. Seems like you're trying to lobby for a proposal with no merits and want to get the condemnation passed no matter what.

Prussian-Germany wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Not something I would do in that case. Seems like you're trying to lobby for a proposal with no merits and want to get the condemnation passed no matter what.

It seems to me that you did not read the part where I said I am not lobbing for this.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Prussian-Germany wrote:
It seems to me that you did not read the part where I said I am not lobbing for this.

If there are such cases, the SC will usually judge it on a case-by-case basis to see if it merits any condemnation, but mostly these aren't matters for the SC to decide as they're strictly regional conflicts.