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[Draft] Condemn Balder

Postby Old Hope » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:59 am

Declaring that important and privileged regions like Balder should be welcoming to new nations and foster their activity in international relations

Saddened by the fact that the adminstration of Balder has been led in an oligarchical manner by an increasingly incompetent and internationally inactive collective of nations for years

Enraged over the current state of affairs, namely:
-The incompetence of Linkin II, Aexnidaral, Fooooooooo, Alvalero and Onder Kelkia in retaining activity via international events or any other appropiate manner,
-The refusal by North East Somerset to take appropiate action to resolve these long term issues,
-The inability of responsibly acting nations in the region to remove these powerful but duty-evading nations from their powerful positions,

the World Assembly condemns Balder.
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:08 pm

This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:10 pm

Old Hope wrote:Declaring that important and privileged regions like Balder should be welcoming to new nations and foster their activity in international relations

Saddened by the fact that the adminstration of Balder has been led in an oligarchical manner by an increasingly incompetent and internationally inactive collective of nations for years

Enraged over the current state of affairs, namely:
-The incompetence of Linkin II, Aexnidaral, Fooooooooo, Alvalero and Onder Kelkia in retaining activity via international events or any other appropiate manner,
-The refusal by North East Somerset to take appropiate action to resolve these long term issues,
-The inability of responsibly acting nations in the region to remove these powerful but duty-evading nations from their powerful positions,

the World Assembly condemns Balder.

Please elaborate.
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Postby Old Hope » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:13 pm

Fauxia wrote:This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.

That`s one possibility, Fauxia.
Condemnations are for bad things, not necessarily for being good at bad things.
Inactivity in a sinker like Balder is bad for everyone, because the people behind nations refounded in Balder are more likely lose interest again and subsequently CTE.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:24 pm

Not particularly detailed - if you’re going to nail a Condemnation on a region for leadership incompetence you’re going to have to do a bit more research.

Fauxia wrote:This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.

However, I must agree with Fauxia.
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Postby Xoriet » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:25 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Fauxia wrote:This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.

That`s one possibility, Fauxia.
Condemnations are for bad things, not necessarily for being good at bad things.
Inactivity in a sinker like Balder is bad for everyone, because the people behind nations refounded in Balder are more likely lose interest again and subsequently CTE.

Condemnations for being bad at the game would get a fair number of new players Condemned. Not to mention that you know absolutely nothing about Balder and this draft is devoid of anything even remotely worthy of being Condemned. I recommend running this draft through a paper shredder and then moving on to a more meaningful project.
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Postby Old Hope » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:30 pm

Xoriet wrote:
Old Hope wrote:That`s one possibility, Fauxia.
Condemnations are for bad things, not necessarily for being good at bad things.
Inactivity in a sinker like Balder is bad for everyone, because the people behind nations refounded in Balder are more likely lose interest again and subsequently CTE.

Condemnations for being bad at the game would get a fair number of new players Condemned. Not to mention that you know absolutely nothing about Balder and this draft is devoid of anything even remotely worthy of being Condemned. I recommend running this draft through a paper shredder and then moving on to a more meaningful project.

Well, these are NOT new nations. They are years-old nations. Being bad at the game if you are new is absolutely understandable and acceptable. Being a very experienced player nosediving a SINKER to inactivity whilst installing yourself in a nearly unassailable position is not acceptable, and inactivity in sinkers and feeders is a matter that should be of interest for everyone. So why is this not condemnable?
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Postby Twobagger » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:56 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Xoriet wrote:Condemnations for being bad at the game would get a fair number of new players Condemned. Not to mention that you know absolutely nothing about Balder and this draft is devoid of anything even remotely worthy of being Condemned. I recommend running this draft through a paper shredder and then moving on to a more meaningful project.

Well, these are NOT new nations. They are years-old nations. Being bad at the game if you are new is absolutely understandable and acceptable. Being a very experienced player nosediving a SINKER to inactivity whilst installing yourself in a nearly unassailable position is not acceptable, and inactivity in sinkers and feeders is a matter that should be of interest for everyone. So why is this not condemnable?

The question should be the other way around: why should the World Assembly care enough to Condemn this region?

If Balder is languishing with these nations at the helm and is happy to do so, then perhaps that's a matter for Balder to consider. If you think Balder is being strangled by nations competent enough to keep power in that region yet somehow not competent enough to use it well, then maybe consider making a case for Condemning those nations. If you wanted to get cute, you could try to Liberate Balder. (I don't recommend you try to get cute.) Xoriet's point still applies: if falling far short of one's potential was Condemnable, then there would be many more Condemned regions.
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Postby Old Hope » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:22 pm

Twobagger wrote:
Old Hope wrote:Well, these are NOT new nations. They are years-old nations. Being bad at the game if you are new is absolutely understandable and acceptable. Being a very experienced player nosediving a SINKER to inactivity whilst installing yourself in a nearly unassailable position is not acceptable, and inactivity in sinkers and feeders is a matter that should be of interest for everyone. So why is this not condemnable?

The question should be the other way around: why should the World Assembly care enough to Condemn this region?

If Balder is languishing with these nations at the helm and is happy to do so, then perhaps that's a matter for Balder to consider. If you think Balder is being strangled by nations competent enough to keep power in that region yet somehow not competent enough to use it well, then maybe consider making a case for Condemning those nations. If you wanted to get cute, you could try to Liberate Balder. (I don't recommend you try to get cute.) Xoriet's point still applies: if falling far short of one's potential was Condemnable, then there would be many more Condemned regions.

Alright, I will try to condemn these nations.
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Postby Great Robertia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:29 pm

"Ambassador, if I am to support any such condemnation, I will require more than three lines, vaguely outlining the scope of incompetence that you claim is present within Balder. It is my recommendation that you outline examples and evidence of your claim of incompetence, as without such you're simply asking us to trust you on your word. You may have experienced any expression of incompetence in Balder yourself, yet the same does not apply for the rest of us. Once you provide evidence and examples of your claims and succinctly outline them, I'll reconsider this condemnation proposal. Until then, I will be opposed to it."
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:33 pm

Fauxia wrote:This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.

I can see exceptions in extraordinary circumstances.

For example, condemn the Pacific was because of real dislike.

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Postby Xoriet » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:59 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Twobagger wrote:The question should be the other way around: why should the World Assembly care enough to Condemn this region?

If Balder is languishing with these nations at the helm and is happy to do so, then perhaps that's a matter for Balder to consider. If you think Balder is being strangled by nations competent enough to keep power in that region yet somehow not competent enough to use it well, then maybe consider making a case for Condemning those nations. If you wanted to get cute, you could try to Liberate Balder. (I don't recommend you try to get cute.) Xoriet's point still applies: if falling far short of one's potential was Condemnable, then there would be many more Condemned regions.

Alright, I will try to condemn these nations.

The Delegate is already Condemned and you'll never manage to get a Condemnation of Onder to pass.
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Postby Daytime to Night » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:08 pm

It depends what your aim is here. Is it just to take a pot shot at the region and maybe give them a badge they don't want (but ultimately won't change anything). Or are you trying to make this a catalyst for genuine change in the region?

If it is the latter then you might want to consider why you care about this cause, and what would be the most constructive way to invest your time to achieve your aims - because this might not be the way to do it. This certainly might raise awareness or force natives in Balder to reconsider their tacit support for the existing leaders, but it isn't going to constructively lobby for change, reform or mobilise the sort of movement that could bring about those improvements.

Not to be cynical, but it seems more likely that this is an opportunistic attempt to get an author badge by jumping on what you thought would be a popular position.

As others have said, there is no automatic reason why this couldn't be supported by the Security Council, but you certainly haven't fleshed out a meaningful justification for it currently.
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Postby NOrTh pAcIfiC spY » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:15 pm

Completely agree, shouldn't take days to eject a nation.

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Postby Fauxia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:47 pm

Bormiar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:This won’t work. Condemnations are for being good at bad things, not incompetence.

I can see exceptions in extraordinary circumstances.

For example, condemn the Pacific was because of real dislike.

But the Pacific has a history of facilitating coups, and the condemnation was passed shortly after it was revealed they had fed the fire in another one (or, in the case of the original one, actually couped one before it was eventually defeated). Whether you love or hate the NPO, it'd be ridiculous to deny that it's had an effect on the sphere of gameplay disproportionate even for a feeder. What has Balder ever done besides been here? I mean, it would be like condemning the #1 nation in averageness for being average.
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Postby Daytime to Night » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:41 am

Fauxia wrote:I mean, it would be like condemning the #1 nation in averageness for being average.


Wouldn't be shocked if this was Bormiar's next Security Council proposal

P.S. this needs to be how we commend Tim for the irony of it all - Barristan Selmy is only three away from #1 :o
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