[PASSED] Repeal "Commend the Red Fleet"

[Alcala-Cordel]

It's passing in a landslide, but mainly for technical reasons from what I see. Maybe I'll write them a new commendation minus those issues so our comrades over at TRF can get the recognition they deserve

Edit: Nevermind, it's already being created.

[West Leas Oros 2]

OOC: Daring, aren't we? Don't count on this passing. TRF has high regard amongst the community, deserved or otherwise. Go ahead with this, and I might even consider lending a vote, but don't expect a victory.

IC: "Well, The Red Fleet has certainly acted... distastefully in the past, and they are quite the intimidator as well as the sanctioned and armed, well... arm of interregional diplomacy and conflict. Perhaps it would be best to monitor the situation, re-read the repeal, monitor it more, and act if necessary."

[West Leas Oros 2]

What spamming? What “proposals”?

Clearly you’re coming here with nothing but “four legs good” bias and little understanding of the Security Council, so let me clue you in. We don’t take it lightly when regions try to use us to make themselves look good. We don’t take lying and bullying lightly. We don’t take toxicity, or the creations of toxic players, lightly. We don’t take it lightly when players mislead voters to pass their proposal. We don’t take it lightly when players endorse torture. The moderators decided that the Red Fleet was too toxic to even be allowed to exist for a while. We sure as hell shouldn’t commend them.

I’m going to take a guess: you didn’t read the proposal, or you just didn’t care. You conflated it with right-wing propaganda the moment you read the title. I can’t correct your bias. I’m not going to try and stop you from voting against. Because I know that the majority are going to be sensible; they will either vote for or give a rational, thought-out reason to vote against (which I haven’t seen yet).

Commend those that bash the fash and their bootlickers. No platform for them.

So blinded by ideology that we are willing to excuse even the worst of collateral damage, eh?

[West Leas Oros 2]

"Support. No matter how noble the ideology of anti-fascism is, it does not justify the war crimes committed in its name."

"One has to wonder how dedicated they are to the antifascist cause, when some of their actions seem to mask a thinly-veiled imperialistic tendency?"

[West Leas Oros 2]

OOC: Daring, aren't we? Don't count on this passing. TRF has high regard amongst the community, deserved or otherwise. Go ahead with this, and I might even consider lending a vote, but don't expect a victory.

IC: "Well, The Red Fleet has certainly acted... distastefully in the past, and they are quite the intimidator as well as the sanctioned and armed, well... arm of interregional diplomacy and conflict. Perhaps it would be best to monitor the situation, re-read the repeal, monitor it more, and act if necessary."

OOC: I stand corrected. TRF's regard could very well be waning, or at the very least, it's history is being scrutinized.

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: Daring, aren't we? Don't count on this passing. TRF has high regard amongst the community, deserved or otherwise. Go ahead with this, and I might even consider lending a vote, but don't expect a victory.

First of all, don't quadruple post. It is very annoying. Second, it doesn't matter how much regard they think they have amongst the community, this is going to pass. The Red Fleet never has, and never will deserve and official commendation. While their "fash bash" agenda may be laudable, they are nothing more than self serving imperialists.

[Yokiria]

While their "fash bash" agenda may be laudable

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

[North American Imperial State]

Fully against

[Cutie Mark Crusader]

I am going to admit that I am new and that this is a little intimidating for me, but I can't help feel like this is just an attempt to discredit a group that seems to be consistently anti Nazi and fascists, because of that same stance, on a laundry list of claims that are technicalities. I was hoping to get more context in this discussion, but to be honest I didn't and I see a lot of comments like saying it's not about X, it's about toxicity or some other vague term. Maybe they're right, but in a world that has rising right wing violence, I think consistently being against Nazi's is worthy of commending, and that technicalities are a time old tradition to discredit the far-left by the far right. Because I can't verify a lot of the history, I want to focus on two quotes.

From the repeal: "The destruction of Nazi Europe was coordinated by Evil Wolf, the North Pacific Army, Lone Wolves United, and the United Imperial Armed Forces. While their commendation redirects credit to the Red Fleet, the Red Fleet didn't move in until the region had already been captured and secured, making them only a footnote in the operation"

This would leave someone to believe that in the original proposal that the red fleet took credit for the destruction of Nazi Europe and was trying to make a big deal about how much they were a part of it.

From the original:

"participating in the June 2014 destruction of NAZI EUROPE, an aggressive region that had previously been condemned by this august institution"

However, the original gives them credit for simply participating. I get a sense what this group is for, and it sounds like they are against Nazi's and fascists and have a history of doing so. I dont think it matters how much, who said what, just how 'right wing' a group they opposed was to commend their actions. So I implore my fellow nations to vote against.

[Fearann Dorcha]

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

Good job taking what they said out of context.

What they were saying was that their actions towards ending toxicity was good and worthy of a commendation, but their actions towards other things was not.

I am going to admit that I am new and that this is a little intimidating for me, but I can't help feel like this is just an attempt to discredit a group that seems to be consistently anti Nazi and fascists, because of that same stance, on a laundry list of claims that are technicalities.

... In a world that has rising right wing violence, I think consistently being against Nazi's is worthy of commending, and that technicalities are a time old tradition to discredit the far-left by the far right.

I get a sense what this group is for, and it sounds like they are against Nazi's and fascists and have a history of doing so. I dont think it matters how much, who said what, just how 'right wing' a group they opposed was to commend their actions. So I implore my fellow nations to vote against.

I have to respectfully disagree. Simply throwing out their other behaviors just because of who they're fighting leads to pretty shitty people getting respect that they shouldn't be getting. This may just be a "the ends don't justify the means" argument, but I still think that it's important that we give respect to people who don't abuse the system for their own gain.

EDIT: When I say ‘abuse the system’ I’m specifically talking about the owner of the region advocating for their own commendation. The fact that you can do that is pretty scummy. You should be an outside force that isn’t in the region to advocate for a nation’s commendation.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

OOC: Daring, aren't we? Don't count on this passing. TRF has high regard amongst the community, deserved or otherwise. Go ahead with this, and I might even consider lending a vote, but don't expect a victory.

This has to be one of the funniest posts in this thread. I mean, it was obvious at the time of posting that this repeal was going to pass. I think Nostradamus is safe.

[The Turkish workers of Europe]

This resolution has our full support, while TRF has a history of fighting fascism as an antifascist region, this absolutely does not justify their actions such as invading other regions that do not brand themselves as Fascist regions. The original resoliution seemed to us that it has been submitted as an act of self-commendation and it seems that TRF has done nothing significant in those liberations talked about in the resolution, that grants them a commendation.

If i am wrong, please correct me, as i am not a long-playing Nation. Just wanted to express myself.

[Fauxia]

More than a third of the vote against right now is NSLeft Delegates (or a TRF invader delegate). That’s not counting the individual nations voting against, or the Democratic Socialist Assembly.

[West Leas Oros 2]

More than a third of the vote against right now is NSLeft Delegates (or a TRF invader delegate). That’s not counting the individual nations voting against, or the Democratic Socialist Assembly.

eeeuuugghhh, the NSLeft are... zealots, to say the least. Can't say i'm surprised they react with hostility to criticism. For them, you're either with them or against them.

[Yokiria]

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

Good job taking what they said out of context.

What they were saying was that their actions towards ending toxicity was good and worthy of a commendation, but their actions towards other things was not.

Oh stop. Leaving out that context in my response didn't affect anything.

[Fauxia]

Good job taking what they said out of context.

What they were saying was that their actions towards ending toxicity was good and worthy of a commendation, but their actions towards other things was not.

Oh stop. Leaving out that context in my response didn't affect anything.

It was a good quip.

[Riverpost]

Good job taking what they said out of context.

What they were saying was that their actions towards ending toxicity was good and worthy of a commendation, but their actions towards other things was not.

Oh stop. Leaving out that context in my response didn't affect anything.

I believe you overestimate the thoroughness of the internet community at large.

[WayNeacTia]

While their "fash bash" agenda may be laudable

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

"Creditable". And they are not that either.

[Yokiria]

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

"Creditable". And they are not that either.

Well, I don't think they're looking for a loan.

I believe you overestimate the thoroughness of the internet community at large.

Crying "out of context!" when something is cut down for brevity is thoroughly silly.

[WayNeacTia]

"Creditable". And they are not that either.

Well, I don't think they're looking for a loan.

Okay, here is another one, "Credible". They are not that either as the commend was nothing more than a selfie by Misely.

I believe you overestimate the thoroughness of the internet community at large.

Crying "out of context!" when something is cut down for brevity is thoroughly silly.

Syl, while your post was funny and I was amused by it, you did take it out of context.

[Yokiria]

your post was funny and I was amused by it

I appreciate that.

This is an example of taking something out of context.

[Drop Your Pants]

Syl, while your post was funny and I was amused by it, you did take it out of context.

That's how Syl argues, you get used to it.

[WayNeacTia]

Syl, while your post was funny and I was amused by it, you did take it out of context.

That's how Syl argues, you get used to it.

Got used to it years ago. Still won't stop me from pointing it out though.

[Yokiria]

That's how Syl argues, you get used to it.

Got used to it years ago. Still won't stop me from pointing it out though.

Are you two having fun making shit up about me?

[Boscaza]

While their "fash bash" agenda may be laudable

Quick, what's a synonym for "laudable" that starts with the letter C?

To find a middle ground here: "Their fash bash agenda may be Commendable but the region as a whole, due to their other actions, is not."

(P.S: This is just me speaking for the other person and wording their statement better, and I'm a kinda-sorta fascist-y-ish nation anyway, so I have no stake in this argument.)