[DEFEATED] Commend Altino

[Primorye Oblast]

Amusingly, the first time I ever heard the phrase "Meritocracy" in connection with NationStates was with respect to The New Meritocracy, which featured a Senate that voted democratically on most everything of consequence. Where the "merit" came in was in deciding whether or not to admit regional applicants. While there were always some nations that were primarily (if not solely) identified with The New Meritocracy, in its heyday the region featured a Who's Who of prominent nations from throughout NationStates. It's interesting to see how the term has drifted from its traditional association with that region.

I was actually considering finding out what the New Meritocracy's government was for this, but I decided that that would be rather unfair considering it hasn't been active for all these years.

So, TNM was democratic for its high offices, however, in order to even enter the Senate, we had a vote for admission. All Senators voted on each applicant after a thorough, thorough grilling... and it was very intense, sometimes people were literally berated for their views (remember, most of the people back in the early years were in their teens), so I suspect this is probably where the "meritocratic" part arises the most. But indeed, I would not call a functioning NS Democracy a "meritocracy", because the fact that they have merit is incidental, it's the vote by citizens that determines the winner. In an NS meritocracy, it is a hand-picked selection by the previous office holder or leader(s) of the region. I mean, it's literally an autocracy that papers over the distinction.

I was a Senator in The New Meritocracy in 2003 - 2005-ish.

[North East Somerset]

Appreciating the significance of Altino’s continued presence as a "beloved pillar" of the communities

You can really feel the love from around the world.

[The Marconian State]

Wow, this is getting stomped.

[The Unified Missourtama States]

"Commend Altino" is getting a rightful end in this vote. It is a hobby project of Bran(and Badger)'s cabinet made as an extravagant gift to a personal friend, this proposal would not serve the better interests of the assembly. I encourage the Delegate to fully rethink what is best for the region (not his own personal interests), and to revamp the WA Ministry to be something that actually serves its constituents, and be something that can actually exist in this international assembly.

[Imperium of Josh]

"Commend Altino" is getting a rightful end in this vote. It is a hobby project of Bran(and Badger)'s cabinet made as an extravagant gift to a personal friend, this proposal would not serve the better interests of the assembly. I encourage the Delegate to fully rethink what is best for the region (not his own personal interests), and to revamp the WA Ministry to be something that actually serves its constituents, and be something that can actually exist in this international assembly.

Intriguing. Nobody told me you had the power to appoint Wym to TWP's cabinet, but congrats to Wym I guess XD

[Wymondham]

"Commend Altino" is getting a rightful end in this vote. It is a hobby project of Bran(and Badger)'s cabinet made as an extravagant gift to a personal friend, this proposal would not serve the better interests of the assembly. I encourage the Delegate to fully rethink what is best for the region (not his own personal interests), and to revamp the WA Ministry to be something that actually serves its constituents, and be something that can actually exist in this international assembly.

Intriguing. Nobody told me you had the power to appoint Wym to TWP's cabinet, but congrats to Wym I guess XD

I am delighted to accept this new position, I am honoured to be able to serve a in the cabinet of a region that I am not even a citizen in

[United Engiresco]

Support! Glad altino’s going to become one of the commended raiders

Sad

[Emiline]

Intriguing. Nobody told me you had the power to appoint Wym to TWP's cabinet, but congrats to Wym I guess XD

I am delighted to accept this new position, I am honoured to be able to serve a in the cabinet of a region that I am not even a citizen in

Congratulations, Wym! lol.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

"Commend Altino" is getting a rightful end in this vote. It is a hobby project of Bran(and Badger)'s cabinet made as an extravagant gift to a personal friend, this proposal would not serve the better interests of the assembly. I encourage the Delegate to fully rethink what is best for the region (not his own personal interests), and to revamp the WA Ministry to be something that actually serves its constituents, and be something that can actually exist in this international assembly.

Ah, reasons for your sudden exit from TWP become clearer.

[Great Robertia]

I am quite curious as to why this commendation proposal is receiving this amount of opposition. Some context would be helpful.

[The Unified Missourtama States]

"Commend Altino" is getting a rightful end in this vote. It is a hobby project of Bran(and Badger)'s cabinet made as an extravagant gift to a personal friend, this proposal would not serve the better interests of the assembly. I encourage the Delegate to fully rethink what is best for the region (not his own personal interests), and to revamp the WA Ministry to be something that actually serves its constituents, and be something that can actually exist in this international assembly.

Intriguing. Nobody told me you had the power to appoint Wym to TWP's cabinet, but congrats to Wym I guess XD

This was being drafted internally within TWP, as to whether Wym had direct involvement on that side I don't know, I do know that I was in the WA ministry (and perhaps at the time this first came up, might've still been Deputy Minister of WA), and that this was mainly drafted as a petty regional 'thank you'. I'm not accusing conspiracy or threatening an attack, I'm telling what I saw in the WA Ministry.

Ah, reasons for your sudden exit from TWP become clearer.

Perhaps, although not fully.

Lest, I'm not here for a fight, just to remind some people of their duties.
I'll be heading off unless I see a need to make dire clarifications.

[Refuge Isle]

Intriguing. Nobody told me you had the power to appoint Wym to TWP's cabinet, but congrats to Wym I guess XD

This was being drafted internally within TWP, as to whether Wym had direct involvement on that side I don't know.

To be clear, are you suggesting that the contents of this draft were written by someone else or that this was plagiarism?

[The Unified Missourtama States]

This was being drafted internally within TWP, as to whether Wym had direct involvement on that side I don't know.

To be clear, are you suggesting that the contents of this draft were written by someone else or that this was plagiarism?

No, no accusations of plagarism. I am not claiming this proposal is illegal, only that it was written with intentions that I don't believe to be representative of the purpose of, and community of, this assembly.

[Wymondham]

To be clear, are you suggesting that the contents of this draft were written by someone else or that this was plagiarism?

No, no accusations of plagarism. I am not claiming this proposal is illegal, only that it was written with intentions that I don't believe to be representative of the purpose of, and community of, this assembly.

So, to be clear TUMS, you are suggesting that Bran and his cabinet magically influenced me to come up with this proposal idea by myself, talk to Takura about it, then, after starting research, they magically influenced me to suggest that Karma WA approached TWP about writing the proposal with them as TWP and Karma were just about to pass a treaty, and that they did all this without speaking to me about the WA once until after Karma and TWP WA had agreed to write this together?

[The Unified Missourtama States]

So, to be clear TUMS, you are suggesting that Bran and his cabinet magically influenced me to come up with this proposal idea by myself, talk to Takura about it, then, after starting research, they magically influenced me to suggest that Karma WA approached TWP about writing the proposal with them as TWP and Karma were just about to pass a treaty, and that they did all this without speaking to me about the WA once until after Karma and TWP WA had agreed to write this together?

No. I am not contesting whether this is solely your original idea and draft, but please don't act like Karma is not a hobby region of Badger, not to forget your co-author, Nieubasria, who is the WA Minister of TWP. I am trying to express that I see TWP's support and nurturement of your project as a failure of the current Delegacy, misleading away from real problems that need to be solved. Like I said no claimable conspiracy here.

I apologize as I think this may have turned into a threadjack.

[Yokiria]

So, this is failing because TWP was involved? That's a shame. Altino does deserve a Commend. Hopefully the political climate is less hostile to this in the future.

[The Holy Principality of Saint Mark]

Regardless of anyone's feelings about authorship or sponsorship, there should be no doubt that if anyone has ever deserved a Commendation in NationStates, Altino does.

[The Marconian State]

Regardless of anyone's feelings about authorship or sponsorship, there should be no doubt that if anyone has ever deserved a Commendation in NationStates, Altino does.

The opposition to this resolution dares to disagree.

[Fauxia]

So, this is failing because TWP was involved? That's a shame. Altino does deserve a Commend. Hopefully the political climate is less hostile to this in the future.

I don't really think anyone is voting against due to United Missourtama States' view, except The United Missourtama States.

[The Unified Missourtama States]

So, this is failing because TWP was involved? That's a shame. Altino does deserve a Commend. Hopefully the political climate is less hostile to this in the future.

I don't really think anyone is voting against due to United Missourtama States' view, except The United Missourtama States.

My reasoning is certainly a minority. There are are other obvious flaws to this proposal, most eye-soringly, the awards section.

[Delphinia]

This is largely a regional matter. The regional government could comment Altino, but the WA Security Council shouldn't.

[Tinhampton]

This is largely a regional matter. The regional government could comment Altino, but the WA Security Council shouldn't.

As far as I recall, TWP's Hall of Nations had already passed a regional Commendation for Altino which was described by its Speaker at the time as having the potential to "aid the project of commending the nominee on the WA Security Council, with help from the [World Assembly Recruitment] ministry."

[Cutie Mark Crusader]

I want to preface this with the fact that I am new, and a lot of the Security Council proposals I am commenting on as a member that is taking things at face value. My introduction to this body is to watch back to back repeals based on what I consider nitpicking the text of accomplishments. I actually think that this proposal has less impressive parts than those proposals.

I do not know much about The West Pacific, but why are we as an interregional body supposed to commend someone for growing their military, giving them pirate theme, and adding officers. I am happy for The West Pacific, but why should I care as a member of another region? If I change my flag to a pirate flag, am I on the path to being commended?

There is a similar lack of detail in the Osris section. They changed the guiding principals of the region, but to what? I am not accusing them of anything, but to be extreme, what if these guiding principals are Nazism? It doesn't describe to what end these accomplishments are impressive and why they are relevant and I will be voting against because I think this lead to a repeal as the two prior votes.

[Big Bad Badger]

LOL, what?

[Honeydewistania]

Regardless of anyone's feelings about authorship or sponsorship, there should be no doubt that if anyone has ever deserved a Commendation in NationStates, Altino does.