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Condemn Lord Dominator
A resolution to recognise outstanding achievement by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Lord Dominator

Proposed by: Tinhampton

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THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

CONCERNED about the havoc that [nation=Lord Dominator] - which the omniscient World Census gnomes note is among the 100 worst nations in the world for corruption, charmlessness, and death due to non-natural causes - has wreaked upon the multiverse at large, as shown by the following paragraphs:

• §1: Raiding Activity: In the Black Hawks, Lord Dominator currently serves as a Major and as the Overseer of Talon Corps, a unit dedicated to long-term espionage operations; they have supported occupations of regions such as Cretanja Queendom, ASEAN REGION - which they passworded but refused to refound - Iran, and Westphalia (twice) under the aegis of I Came I Saw I Dominated. They have also taken delegacies by force for Lily on 114 occasions (although this is not apparent in their obnoxiously rainbow-coloured World Factbook Entries which imply that such regions chose to be invaded by them), and have previously deployed multiple satellites to manipulate regional polls for Lily's benefit.
• §2: The World Assembly: Lord Dominator continues to maintain a list of resolutions passed by this Council, no matter how lacklustre or not in keeping with its goal of "international peace and goodwill, by force if necessary" - leading hundreds of confused diplomats into believing that its standards are lower than they actually are and then publishing sloppy first drafts that gain almost zero support. They have also authored (among others) GA#446 "Repeal "Convention on International Oil Spills,"" which nullified well-meaning legislation regarding how member states should deal with oil spills in international waters; and SC#299 "Condemn This Game," a resolution so unseemly and unnecessarily humourous that it was repealed less than a month after its passage.
• §3: International Affairs: Ambassadors from Lord Dominator have often been deployed to World Assembly debates (and - upon behest of then-[region=Forest] Keeper Uan aa Boa for some time - international relations conferences) for the sole purpose of making impolite and extremely undiplomatic statements such as "We need more random purges" and "I know, right? [raspberry noises]". This is not helped by the Deedas' organisation of annual award ceremonies supposedly meant to recognise the most influential raiding and defending entities of the era, which inevitably descend into something vaguely resembling the backpatting of whichever nations and regions manage to stir up the most controversy over that time.
• §4: Speculative Artwork Trading: The Deeda government has invested in over forty pieces of artwork created by its own citizens, at prices occasionally so extortionate that they have become unaffordable to many overseas museums. It also recently acted to greatly reduce the market value of widely-coveted abstract paintings from the nation of Tupelope (which has still not recovered from the incident) by bidding on them at auction at such a rate that fellow Black Hawks could acquire them for free and then sell them at extremely low prices, in what will forever be immortalised as one element of "Operation: Let The Cards Fall."

AFFIRMING that Lord Dominator - in going beyond simply raiding other regions to somehow torment the vast majority of other nations, as shown above - has acted in a manner that is sufficiently dreadful enough to warrant Condemnation:

HEREBY CONDEMNS [nation=Lord Dominator].

Previous drafts:

Wouldn’t mention Westphalia tbh

Also,

then publishing sloppy first drafts that gain almost zero support

pikathink

Few things that could be added to a condemn of Dom could be

- Project Peregrine -- Hit 98 targets with a single team at update manually. It doesn't hold the record anymore, but as far as manually triggering goes he still has that record.

- Texas delegate streak got smacked on a raid he led which removed a 3+ year streak.

- Lead the occupation of SPACE in 2018 - report. He was also point for the passwording of Cult of Fire, but given who that region belonged to i dun think that one should count as condemnable =P

- he was a back up point for Belgium in 2018 (can't remember if that got liberated or not, was before I got actually involved with TBH much), Equestria (2018), and Anarchy (2018). He was one of the triggers with Cretanja and ASEAN for more specifics :>

I don't yet believe LD is ready for a condemnation, nor do I think this one does him justice. LD has a potential long career ahead where he may be able to do more than he has already, and I'm sure he'll pass more SC resolutions.

Tinhampton wrote:§1: Raiding Activity: In the Black Hawks, Lord Dominator currently serves as a Major and as the Overseer of Talon Corps, a unit dedicated to long-term espionage operations;

And staging long-term occupations, which is worth a mention as well. Also worth noting the Talon corps of the Black Hawks, since few people will understand that.

they have supported occupations of regions such as Cretanja Queendom, ASEAN REGION - which they passworded but refused to refound -

Inaccurate. The agreement with Europeia was that the password would be lifted after a while, not that we refused to refound. Also, 'passwording' is probably not rule-compliant.

Iran, and Westphalia (twice) under the aegis of I Came I Saw I Dominated.

No mention of the raid on SPACE, which LD actually led, as opposed to the ones you listed, where they only participated?

They have also taken delegacies by force for Lily on 114 occasions (although this is not apparent in their obnoxiously rainbow-coloured World Factbook Entries which imply that such regions chose to be invaded by them), and have previously deployed multiple satellites to manipulate regional polls for Lily's benefit.

Bold: meaningless detail, how does this contribute to the proposal?

Overall, 114 regions raided for Lily means nothing. Where is Project Peregrine, the largest manual tag run of a single team, which they actually led?

§2: The World Assembly: Lord Dominator continues to maintain a list of resolutions passed by this Council, no matter how lacklustre or not in keeping with its goal of "international peace and goodwill, by force if necessary" - leading hundreds of confused diplomats into believing that its standards are lower than they actually are and then publishing sloppy first drafts that gain almost zero support.

Hard for me to decipher how this is condemnable at all?

They have also authored (among others) GA#446 "Repeal "Convention on International Oil Spills,"" which nullified well-meaning legislation regarding how member states should deal with oil spills in international waters; and SC#299 "Condemn This Game," a resolution so unseemly and unnecessarily humourous that it was repealed less than a month after its passage.

Is writing joke proposals really condemnable?

Overall, I don't think LD is currently condemnable, and their career has far from ended, so this might be somewhat early. While you could condemn or commend nations while they're still active (Commend Kuriko comes to mind, though I'm sure there are others), I am not sure LD's legacy so far is sufficient to already either condemn or commend them. That said, there are a bunch of things not currently in the draft that could improve it a lot.

I have suggestions, but I'd rather this go on hold. Though I am certainly no expert, I concur with Kuriko in that I suspect LD has not reached his peak. Regardless, you really need to focus more on gameplay and less on that other mediocre stuff.

Security Council -- Lord Dominator is seen as some sort of WA king by naive NSGPers, which has always baffled me. Other than the passed resolution list, Lord Dominator is hardly involved in the WA. His resolutions are low-effort, derivative, and inherently popular-- the kind of stuff almost anyone can pass. I mean no disrespect to Lord Dominator (and I doubt he will be offended), but his WA work is basically a footnote.

Cards -- Again, that's not too impressive. Lots of people buy copies of their card and inflate them. As I've seen, older traders (such as 9003) tend to move on from it. I would not credit him for the Tupelope inflation, at all. That seems to have been treated as a gimmick and run / inspired by traders.

International Affairs -- I don't know what you're talking about.

I personally have never heard this argument made before that someone should not receive a C&C because they have more to give or have not reached their peak. If they have done enough to earn one (even if it is potentially borderline), I see no reason why an author should not try. I think this proposal could have more to do it for sure, but that is more about the proposal and less about the candidate.

Bormiar wrote:I have suggestions, but I'd rather this go on hold. Though I am certainly no expert, I concur with Kuriko in that I suspect LD has not reached his peak. Regardless, you really need to focus more on gameplay and less on that other mediocre stuff.

Of course it’s going to go on hold; Tinhampton has a number of drafts in both the GA and SC that show no sign of going anywhere. I suspect this will be another of them.

Jakker wrote:I personally have never heard this argument made before that someone should not receive a C&C because they have more to give or have not reached their peak. If they have done enough to earn one (even if it is potentially borderline), I see no reason why an author should not try. I think this proposal could have more to do it for sure, but that is more about the proposal and less about the candidate.

I agree, if an author thinks a candidate is C&C worthy then they should give it a go. The rest of us should then argue on the merits of the proposal.

Jakker wrote:I personally have never heard this argument made before that someone should not receive a C&C because they have more to give or have not reached their peak. If they have done enough to earn one (even if it is potentially borderline), I see no reason why an author should not try. I think this proposal could have more to do it for sure, but that is more about the proposal and less about the candidate.

The logic is that the more they do post-condemnation, the less comprehensive the condemnation is, so why condemn now when you can reasonably predict that you'll have much more of their accomplishments registered should you wait a few years? It's very, very hard to get two condemnations, so I wouldn't place bets on it.

Seeing as you've never heard of such an argument, here's a very pertinent example.

Bormiar wrote:The logic is that the more they do post-condemnation, the less comprehensive the condemnation is, so why condemn now when you can reasonably predict that you'll have much more of their accomplishments registered should you wait a few years? It's very, very hard to get two condemnations, so I wouldn't place bets on it

This, there seems to be a quiet race to try and be the first to get your proposal on the table for a potentially worthy candidate rather than proposing something at the right time in their NS career, with a proposal that is more comprehensive and persuasive.

I'm going to be honest, I hate the way this proposal is written - sorry. It's extremely wordy without saying much as well as the fact that I think it under-represents what LD has already done in the game. I'm surprised to see this proposal already when I think there are many other raiders who should be 'next in line' before the current crop (although I appreciate thats not a fair reason to withhold support were it the only reason for opposing a proposal).

Bormiar wrote:
Security Council -- Lord Dominator is seen as some sort of WA king by naive NSGPers, which has always baffled me. Other than the passed resolution list, Lord Dominator is hardly involved in the WA. His resolutions are low-effort, derivative, and inherently popular-- the kind of stuff almost anyone can pass. I mean no disrespect to Lord Dominator (and I doubt he will be offended), but his WA work is basically a footnote.

I can’t find a specific quote, but I think LD doesn’t prefer to be seen by their WA achievements. Also, right on about his SC stuff.

Jakker wrote:I personally have never heard this argument made before that someone should not receive a C&C because they have more to give or have not reached their peak.

I believe I've made the exact argument more than a couple of times over the years. Having said that, I don't think I'm in agreement with Kuriko this time. LD is not the hot new raider being Condemned for a few weeks worth of tagging raids, they've accomplished a lot over a decent period of time. I'm against C&Cing players early in their career, but surely we can give it go while they're in their prime, or anytime before they're dead.

I believe it LIKELY that LD has done enough to deserve a Condemnation and I must echo most of my fellow ambassadors in the call for both higher quantity and higher quality arguments.

Some broad thoughts:

1. I'd prefer my achievements that aren't usually Condemnable not be used for such (ie, most WA activity), if only because I want to see if I can someday stack up enough to get the opposite one

2. Bormiar is correct that my actual passed resolutions are generally low-effort and don't have quantity to counter (though I imagine C This Game is probably includable anyways by usual standards for humor in resolutions).

3. I've definitely been involved in more than 114 individual tag raids during the half year I was in Lily, and significantly more with TBH?

4. Talon is occupations, not just infiltration.

5. The cards activity I was really was just a grunt, Sakana and Refuge were the actual planners (and Souls the TBH oversight).