NationStates

The Security Council,

Observing SECFanatics is an old region at least 3 years old founded by Rbbf

Admiring SECFanatics's work and boasting for having 2,000 embassies before the founder Rbbf ceased to exist leaving a chance for raiders to invade the region

Disgusted that once the founder disappeared The Black Hawks invaded the region and closed down more that 2,000 embassies

Confirming that many raider regions such as The North Pacific and Lone Wolves United helped The Black Hawks raid SECFanatics

Shocked that once defenders came to SECFanatics aid and helping detag the regionThe Black Hawks raided the region AGAIN, kicked all the defenders out, and put up a password making it impossible to detag the region and defend SECFanatics

Disgraceful that the regions flag portrays a black hawk stabbing a deflated basketball

Appalled at the fact that, The Black Hawks raided the said region, SECFanatics just to "gain attention"

The World Assembly hereby liberates SECFanatics

So right after the other proposal fails you are trying this again, without learning from any of the mistakes of the last one. I see absolutely no reason to liberate this region when the founder was DEATed and the natives have all moved on. Please convince me otherwise.

Against.

Noahs Second Country wrote:So right after the other proposal fails you are trying this again, without learning from any of the mistakes of the last one. I see absolutely no reason to liberate this region when the founder was DEATed and the natives have all moved on. Please convince me otherwise.

Against.

It was a good region with a lot of embassies

Confirming that many raider regions such as The North Pacific and Lone Wolves United helped The Black Hawks raid SECFanatics

TNP isn't raider x)

Shocked that once defenders came to SECFanatics aid and helping detag the regionThe Black Hawks raided the region AGAIN, kicked all the defenders out, and put up a password making it impossible to detag the region and defend SECFanatics

We came back because s o m e o n e decided to unsuppress and like a post calling TBH fascist and racist~ Was going to leave it alone but then they did that and we decided SECFan could use a lil more raiding ;P

In any case! The natives moved on. If it was liberated, we'd probably just raid them again. Trying to liberate SECFanatics is just a continued waste of time~

Team Leo wrote:Shocked that once defenders came to SECFanatics aid and helping detag the regionThe Black Hawks raided the region AGAIN, kicked all the defenders out, and put up a password making it impossible to detag the region and defend SECFanatics

The impression I got from the last thread is that the defenders are also not particularly interested in defending it further - though as I am not a defender I obviously can't speak for them.
Your proposal is no less sparse in detail as the last one, and addresses all the same points. Unlike the last one, you don't acknowledge the successor regions at all, and seem to by trying to ride your way to victory by filling half the proposal with 'raider bad' fluff.

Did you consult the natives for this proposal, and do they have any interest in liberating or moving back into their region. Do they have any interest in attempting a refound? There are already two successor regions that are spamming out embassy requests - what will this liberation accomplish, what is it's purpose?

Is this an attempt at a badge? Are you also going to want to spam other message boards just to get their approval?

Aurum Raider wrote:

Team Leo wrote:Shocked that once defenders came to SECFanatics aid and helping detag the regionThe Black Hawks raided the region AGAIN, kicked all the defenders out, and put up a password making it impossible to detag the region and defend SECFanatics

The impression I got from the last thread is that the defenders are also not particularly interested in defending it further - though as I am not a defender I obviously can't speak for them.
Your proposal is no less sparse in detail as the last one, and addresses all the same points. Unlike the last one, you don't acknowledge the successor regions at all, and seem to by trying to ride your way to victory by filling half the proposal with 'raider bad' fluff.

Did you consult the natives for this proposal, and do they have any interest in liberating or moving back into their region. Do they have any interest in attempting a refound? There are already two successor regions that are spamming out embassy requests - what will this liberation accomplish, what is it's purpose?

To uh remove the password, get defender friends, and have my embassy back

Outer Sparta wrote:Is this an attempt at a badge? Are you also going to want to spam other message boards just to get their approval?

No

Liberating a region just so raiders can raid it again is fundamentally flawed. Against.

Miss Bad Life Choices wrote:

Confirming that many raider regions such as The North Pacific and Lone Wolves United helped The Black Hawks raid SECFanatics

TNP isn't raider x)

Shocked that once defenders came to SECFanatics aid and helping detag the regionThe Black Hawks raided the region AGAIN, kicked all the defenders out, and put up a password making it impossible to detag the region and defend SECFanatics

We came back because s o m e o n e decided to unsuppress and like a post calling TBH fascist and racist~ Was going to leave it alone but then they did that and we decided SECFan could use a lil more raiding ;P

In any case! The natives moved on. If it was liberated, we'd probably just raid them again. Trying to liberate SECFanatics is just a continued waste of time~

But A yo SECFanatics my ally. Alright then but to be honest you do raid regions for doin' nothing wrong

Atheris wrote:Liberating a region just so raiders can raid it again is fundamentally flawed. Against.

Yeah but SEC my ally. Gotta help them you know

Team Leo wrote:

Aurum Raider wrote:The impression I got from the last thread is that the defenders are also not particularly interested in defending it further - though as I am not a defender I obviously can't speak for them.
Your proposal is no less sparse in detail as the last one, and addresses all the same points. Unlike the last one, you don't acknowledge the successor regions at all, and seem to by trying to ride your way to victory by filling half the proposal with 'raider bad' fluff.

Did you consult the natives for this proposal, and do they have any interest in liberating or moving back into their region. Do they have any interest in attempting a refound? There are already two successor regions that are spamming out embassy requests - what will this liberation accomplish, what is it's purpose?

To uh remove the password, get defender friends, and have my embassy back

After you spammed some defender regions using a puppet I doubt very much if they want you for a friend.

Team Leo wrote:

Atheris wrote:Liberating a region just so raiders can raid it again is fundamentally flawed. Against.

Yeah but SEC my ally. Gotta help them you know

As much as I'd like to see SEC come back, I was on the discord for a while and I absolutely despise raiding, there's no point to. The founder was DEATed and the raiders will just raid it again.

Atheris wrote:

Team Leo wrote:
Yeah but SEC my ally. Gotta help them you know

As much as I'd like to see SEC come back, I was on the discord for a while and I absolutely despise raiding, there's no point to. The founder was DEATed and the raiders will just raid it again.

Which this liberation would do nothing and we would be back at square one.

Atheris wrote:

Team Leo wrote:
Yeah but SEC my ally. Gotta help them you know

As much as I'd like to see SEC come back, I was on the discord for a while and I absolutely despise raiding, there's no point to. The founder was DEATed and the raiders will just raid it again.

True but I don't want TBH having SEC. That's just mean

Team Leo wrote:

Atheris wrote:As much as I'd like to see SEC come back, I was on the discord for a while and I absolutely despise raiding, there's no point to. The founder was DEATed and the raiders will just raid it again.

True but I don't want TBH having SEC. That's just mean

You're right. TBH shouldn't have anything. But that's not the world we live them. Sometimes we have to give the raiders what they want to make them happy for a little bit.

Team Leo wrote:

Atheris wrote:As much as I'd like to see SEC come back, I was on the discord for a while and I absolutely despise raiding, there's no point to. The founder was DEATed and the raiders will just raid it again.

True but I don't want TBH having SEC. That's just mean

That's just mean? I mean they're raiders and that's what they do - raid regions. And the SC doesn't really care if you want SEC or not, they care if you can make a proposal that people can get behind it.

Atheris wrote:

Team Leo wrote:True but I don't want TBH having SEC. That's just mean

You're right. TBH shouldn't have anything. But that's not the world we live them. Sometimes we have to give the raiders what they want to make them happy for a little bit.

Fine true

Outer Sparta wrote:

Team Leo wrote:True but I don't want TBH having SEC. That's just mean

That's just mean? I mean they're raiders and that's what they do - raid regions. And the SC doesn't really care if you want SEC or not, they care if you can make a proposal that people can get behind it.

That is mean if you ask me

Team Leo wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:That's just mean? I mean they're raiders and that's what they do - raid regions. And the SC doesn't really care if you want SEC or not, they care if you can make a proposal that people can get behind it.

That is mean if you ask me

If the raiders take your region, just get some defenders to get them back. No need to liberate a region where all the natives have left and have no intention of doing so.

Team Leo wrote:To uh remove the password, get defender friends, and have my embassy back

So no, you did not consult the natives, then? You should get on that.

Otherwise, if you don't already have backing from defenders, you probably should secure that before a liberation proposal passes.

That aside, it appears your reasons for wanting to liberate it are flimsy at best, and don't have the region's - or the natives - interests at heart.

You likely should go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate why you want to liberate the region in the first place, because if you don't care about the region, neither does anybody else.

Aurum Raider wrote:

Team Leo wrote:To uh remove the password, get defender friends, and have my embassy back

So no, you did not consult the natives, then? You should get on that.

Otherwise, if you don't already have backing from defenders, you probably should secure that before a liberation proposal passes.

That aside, it appears your reasons for wanting to liberate it are flimsy at best, and don't have the region's - or the natives - interests at heart.

You likely should go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate why you want to liberate the region in the first place, because if you don't care about the region, neither does anybody else.

As much as I absolutely despise your practices, you're completely right. Liberation should always start with permission from the natives.

Nobody in their right mind would support this as-is.

Aurum Raider wrote:

Team Leo wrote:To uh remove the password, get defender friends, and have my embassy back

So no, you did not consult the natives, then? You should get on that.

Otherwise, if you don't already have backing from defenders, you probably should secure that before a liberation proposal passes.

That aside, it appears your reasons for wanting to liberate it are flimsy at best, and don't have the region's - or the natives - interests at heart.

You likely should go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate why you want to liberate the region in the first place, because if you don't care about the region, neither does anybody else.

I care about SEC. They were my trusty allies before TBH had to ruin everything. When this proposal is at vote I shall get my defender friends such as TGW to help secure it

Atheris wrote:

Aurum Raider wrote:So no, you did not consult the natives, then? You should get on that.

Otherwise, if you don't already have backing from defenders, you probably should secure that before a liberation proposal passes.

That aside, it appears your reasons for wanting to liberate it are flimsy at best, and don't have the region's - or the natives - interests at heart.

You likely should go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate why you want to liberate the region in the first place, because if you don't care about the region, neither does anybody else.

As much as I absolutely despise your practices, you're completely right. Liberation should always start with permission from the natives.

Nobody in their right mind would support this as-is.

Alright I will contact the natives

Team Leo wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Is this an attempt at a badge? Are you also going to want to spam other message boards just to get their approval?

No

You did get warned earlier for WA campaign spam on RMBs.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Team Leo wrote:No

You did get warned earlier for WA campaign spam on RMBs.

Yes I know!!!!