[PASSED] Commend Vippertooth33

[The Reformed American Republic]

I vote in favour and commend The work done to stamp out legitimate hatred/fascism.

HOWEVER, I find it alarming that anti-fascist & communist regions have attacked and destroyed multiple anti-communist regions, under the guise of fighting fascism.
We must be vigilant that fascism is not replaced with its equally repugnant cousin; genocidal and hateful Communism.

They are two sides to the same coin and there is an astounding amount of Communist propaganda being perpetuated in these communities, under the guise of fighting “fascism”. Fascism, it seems, is anyone who doesn’t agree with a Communist.

We implore all peaceful communist states to push back on their authoritarian community leaders and question propaganda that is pushing more hate into the world, albeit behind a different mask.

Indeed. He made a false accusation against a former region I was in, and some of the raided regions now have North Korean flags. Tankies seem to have lots of influence here.

I just found this out recently. That's why I had a more neutral tone earlier in this topic.

[Marsadia]

It seems that this sort of behaviour is ignored in fear of being labelled a Fascist.

This Council and the entire community needs to take a stand against hate in all its forms.

Due to the new information brought to light on the Proposed Commendation; I will be re-assessing my vote.

[Honeydewistania]

Many anti-communist regions unfortunately ally with fascists usually and some even provide support for their operations. I think if you’re just a normal anti-communist region but you decide to have embassies with regions like ‘Nazi Europa’, you’re in for it.

[Marsadia]

Many anti-communist regions unfortunately ally with fascists usually and some even provide support for their operations. I think if you’re just a normal anti-communist region but you decide to have embassies with regions like ‘Nazi Europa’, you’re in for it.

I don’t doubt that the vast majority of regions had committed acts of/or supported Fascism. However, it does seem that there has also been potential abuse of the fight against fascism to slide Communism through the back door.

We already have an allegation of falsehoods being perpetuated in order to invade a region, in addition to numerous anti-communist regions being annihilated. Anti-Communism itself does not equal Fascism or even support of Fascism, so let’s not happily lump them into the same category without performing due diligence.

I won’t be changing my vote, but I am concerned at the potential abuse of power being conducted under the guise of fighting fascism.

[Vippertooth33]

He made a false accusation against a former region I was in

Hi,

That is a bold claim you are making there, do you care to share the region name and link to my statement?

I have strictly followed the policy below for my entire NS Career:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1076720

[Marsadia]

Hi,

That is a bold claim you are making there, do you care to share the region name and link to my statement?

I have strictly followed the policy below for my entire NS Career:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1076720

You have the quote the wrong way around - I have not claimed that you personally have partaken in any wrong-doing.

[Vippertooth33]

FIxed, sorry about that I had a quote mishap haha

[Eastern Karakun]

Absolutely no support from here.

[Marsadia]

FIxed, sorry about that I had a quote mishap haha

All good - we don’t want any wars due to quote mishaps

[The Angry Peasant Crusader Mob]

I'd prob abstain since I don't know any of the people listed, but I'm voting against because the proposal makes it seem like Vippertooth33 is a raider, just the sword pointed at the enemy. I don't want to commend a raider if there is even a chance he could raid innocent people.

[Heavens Reach]

I'd prob abstain since I don't know any of the people listed, but I'm voting against because the proposal makes it seem like Vippertooth33 is a raider, just the sword pointed at the enemy. I don't want to commend a raider if there is even a chance he could raid innocent people.

It also states explicitly that he's a defender.

[An-Tanwir]

For. eff nazis.

[New Destrucion]

This is the worst thing that I have everd heard of

[Heavens Reach]

This is the worst thing that I have everd heard of

But you have heard of it

[New Destrucion]

He gives the false ideals that he's "Liberating" people, by destroying his enemies. I'd like to remind everyone that in NS, you have the freedom to go between nations, and therefore a rampage against communism and fascism is not needed.

[21st Century Peronia]

‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.… ’

Winston Churchill.

For Peronia, democracy is the only political system that allows the true exercise and objective of politics: to be able to sit in front of someone who thinks differently to reach agreements that benefit society as a whole, so that individuals can pursue their happiness in an environment of freedom.

That is why we will support all actions that contribute to the nonproliferation of any type of anti-democratic government.

You have our full support.

[Heavens Reach]

He gives the false ideals that he's "Liberating" people, by destroying his enemies. I'd like to remind everyone that in NS, you have the freedom to go between nations, and therefore a rampage against communism and fascism is not needed.

Not sure why communism is getting lumped in with fascism.

[The Grand Imperial Reich]

I don’t doubt that the vast majority of regions had committed acts of/or supported Fascism. However, it does seem that there has also been potential abuse of the fight against fascism to slide Communism through the back door.

I have to agree here, it seems that there are a large number of communist nations using the cover of fighting fascism to gain a stronger foothold for themselves. Against.

[Marsadia]

He gives the false ideals that he's "Liberating" people, by destroying his enemies. I'd like to remind everyone that in NS, you have the freedom to go between nations, and therefore a rampage against communism and fascism is not needed.

Not sure why communism is getting lumped in with fascism.

Two sides of the same coin.

[Farkas]

However much I dislike the nation in question and their motives of deplatforming an entire ideology and it’s associates, I just admit that they are vigilant and stubborn.

[Heavens Reach]

Not sure why communism is getting lumped in with fascism.

Two sides of the same coin.

I mean, what are we basing this on? Are we basing this on the fictional example of Earth? Because in that universe, there has never been nationwide communism in its whole distinctly fictional history. And if you're talking about the real world, communist nationstates are about as far from fascist nationstates as you get, ideologically and practically speaking.

[Marsadia]

Two sides of the same coin.

I mean, what are we basing this on? Are we basing this on the fictional example of Earth? Because in that universe, there has never been nationwide communism in its whole distinctly fictional history. And if you're talking about the real world, communist nationstates are about as far from fascist nationstates as you get, ideologically and practically speaking.

Because the system collapses in on itself either economically, socially or due to the purges and genocide associated with Communism.
Communism holds the same position as fascism, just on the other end of the political spectrum.

Maybe one day, a real democratic and communist country won’t shoot itself in the foot and starve/purge everyone. I won’t be holding my breath.

[Boscaza]

It absolutely disgusts me that pretender "fascist" regions are being raided and destroyed simply because people are trying to do what they want...
IN A GAME THAT'S ABOUT DOING WHAT YOU WANT.
Seriously, who the hell does this?! Who thought of this? More importantly, why do they have such large support? This is just defeating the purpose of having this game be a game at all, enforcing a single ideology on every nation and region ever (gee, remind you of anything?). Do you WANT to ruin the fun?!

I am fully and unequivocally against this absolutely tragic trainwreck of a "resolution", and there's no good reason anyone else shouldn't be as well.

[Heavens Reach]

It absolutely disgusts me that pretender "fascist" regions are being raided and destroyed simply because people are trying to do what they want...
IN A GAME THAT'S ABOUT DOING WHAT YOU WANT.
Seriously, who the hell does this?! Who thought of this? More importantly, why do they have such large support? This is just defeating the purpose of having this game be a game at all, enforcing a single ideology on every nation and region ever (gee, remind you of anything?). Do you WANT to ruin the fun?!

I am fully and unequivocally against this absolutely tragic trainwreck of a "resolution", and there's no good reason anyone else shouldn't be as well.

OOC: nonfascist nations denouncing fascist nations seems like it's within the scope of gameplay to me.

[Heavens Reach]

I mean, what are we basing this on? Are we basing this on the fictional example of Earth? Because in that universe, there has never been nationwide communism in its whole distinctly fictional history. And if you're talking about the real world, communist nationstates are about as far from fascist nationstates as you get, ideologically and practically speaking.

Because the system collapses in on itself either economically, socially or due to the purges and genocide associated with Communism.
Communism holds the same position as fascism, just on the other end of the political spectrum.

Maybe one day, a real democratic and communist country won’t shoot itself in the foot and starve/purge everyone. I won’t be holding my breath.

I mean there are tons of examples in the real world of nationstates, and no examples of communist nations at all in that fictional universe of Earth, so... *shrug*?