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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:39 pm

Farlandiay wrote:I couldn’t make a better case against this proposal than the way in which it’s supporters have refused input, rejected criticisms, and spammed this thread. Those are the same tactics that lasagnians have used on the Ravana RMB that provoked this conflict and have made peace negotiations difficult.

The propoal does need work on it a lot, but I think there is [small] merit for a liberate here.

I think a condemnation against Ravana would be better suited.

No only one person has refused imput, rejected criticisms and spamming the threat.

Only thing I see here is most people on this thread are complaining and spammimg ect, and not even bothering to put any input at all.
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:11 pm

I just want to point out that me marking a proposal as legal is not demonstrative of quality. I’ve marked proposals I enjoyed illegal and proposals I’ve hated or thought were extremely poor quality legal. Moderation legality is explicitly not meant to be proposal quality control, delegates/voters are.

Also, I want some lasagna. Yummy.
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Postby Ladinacem Andia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:19 pm

On behalf of most of my region, I would like to talk a moment to clear up some issues here. First and foremost, what’s even happening. UNOs proposal, as has been addressed here, lacks any reasoning as to why LPT should be liberated. There is merit behind this, I assure you.
The reason this proposal exists in the first place is the fault of ravana themselves. Their hostile actions (which would be better explained by TGI) lead to several members of our region discussion a defensive show of force to warn ravana about a war. They then used these posts calling for a response to their posturing as a justification to declare war on us.
The merit behind this liberation is the precedent it sets. It protects smaller regions like mine from raiders who would prevent the growth of said regions. It keeps regions like mine from having to fear massive predator organizations like the black hawks, and even smaller ones like ravana, purely because we’re simply too tiny to even fight them. The loss of a dominion was, in the end, unimportant. What is important is that we set a standard to allows small regions to grow and expand.

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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:37 pm

Ransium wrote:I just want to point out that me marking a proposal as legal is not demonstrative of quality. I’ve marked proposals I enjoyed illegal and proposals I’ve hated or thought were extremely poor quality legal. Moderation legality is explicitly not meant to be proposal quality control, delegates/voters are.

Also, I want some lasagna. Yummy.

Your last part I agree with, lasagna is yummy.
Ladinacem Andia wrote:On behalf of most of my region, I would like to talk a moment to clear up some issues here. First and foremost, what’s even happening. UNOs proposal, as has been addressed here, lacks any reasoning as to why LPT should be liberated. There is merit behind this, I assure you.
The reason this proposal exists in the first place is the fault of ravana themselves. Their hostile actions (which would be better explained by TGI) lead to several members of our region discussion a defensive show of force to warn ravana about a war. They then used these posts calling for a response to their posturing as a justification to declare war on us.
The merit behind this liberation is the precedent it sets. It protects smaller regions like mine from raiders who would prevent the growth of said regions. It keeps regions like mine from having to fear massive predator organizations like the black hawks, and even smaller ones like ravana, purely because we’re simply too tiny to even fight them. The loss of a dominion was, in the end, unimportant. What is important is that we set a standard to allows small regions to grow and expand.


I 100 per cent agree, I wish other people would think outside of the box.
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This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:31 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?

Highly doubt it I got nothing

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Postby Glacio Revera » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:36 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?

Highly doubt it I got nothing

I've heard of a few delegates getting TGs, maybe they are taking it slow.

Ladinacem Andia wrote:On behalf of most of my region, I would like to talk a moment to clear up some issues here. First and foremost, what’s even happening. UNOs proposal, as has been addressed here, lacks any reasoning as to why LPT should be liberated. There is merit behind this, I assure you.
The reason this proposal exists in the first place is the fault of ravana themselves. Their hostile actions (which would be better explained by TGI) lead to several members of our region discussion a defensive show of force to warn ravana about a war. They then used these posts calling for a response to their posturing as a justification to declare war on us.
The merit behind this liberation is the precedent it sets. It protects smaller regions like mine from raiders who would prevent the growth of said regions. It keeps regions like mine from having to fear massive predator organizations like the black hawks, and even smaller ones like ravana, purely because we’re simply too tiny to even fight them. The loss of a dominion was, in the end, unimportant. What is important is that we set a standard to allows small regions to grow and expand.

Grow and expand by swallowing up other regions under threat of force? The Grey Isles' activity is not what any reasonable person would describe as polite,and the fact of the matter is that in the lead-up to the Ravanan declaration of war, high level government officials in lasagna were a wonderful combination of threatening and bothersome. Our response was to denounce this behavior, and launch an attack on one of your "dominion" regions, rather than attacking a region with any actual natives in it, in the hopes we could come to an agreement. Additionally, I think comparing ravana to the black hawks is a little unfair. We have responded to a region who has threatened us, not just because, and we explicitly chose a native-less region to attack. Personally, I prefer to defend, and hope to lead our fledgling armed forces on some detag runs after the threat has concluded.

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Postby Ransium » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:08 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?


*copied and pasted from my phone breaking some formatting*

Greetings Ransium,
Firstly I myself the Former Prime Minister, Former Deputy Foreign Minister, Former Home Minister, Former Chief Executive for Foreign Affairs of Lasagna.
There is a region called as LASAGNA PART TWO. It was one of the most active regions with 30 to 40 population, but suddenly nearly everything screw up. Their founder ceased to exist and raiders started to target this small, but active community. Lasagna liberated this community from The Black Hawks and since then we have been searching for the rightful owners. Now recently Lasagna had a diplomatic conflict with ravana and the conflict could have been solved mutually, but ravana declined to come on the diplomatic table and started exercising its Military. If ravana wanted to raid and show its dominance they could have tried to raid Lasagna itself and our Military would have surely answered, but they decided to attack this small ceasing community of LASAGNA PART TWO and they raided and created a successful occupation. Lasagna's military was defeated once and the combined forces of all regions in Assembly of Regions was also defeated multiple times and now all our very tries have failed to Liberate the region as ravana password locked the region.
The only way we could again make that community alive is by passing this proposal.
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United Nations organisation on behalf of Lasagna for Liberating LASAGNA PART TWO


I really wish I had the ingredients to make lasagna tonight :(
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:20 pm

Ransium wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?


*copied and pasted from my phone breaking some formatting*

Greetings Ransium,
Firstly I myself the Former Prime Minister, Former Deputy Foreign Minister, Former Home Minister, Former Chief Executive for Foreign Affairs of Lasagna.
There is a region called as LASAGNA PART TWO. It was one of the most active regions with 30 to 40 population, but suddenly nearly everything screw up. Their founder ceased to exist and raiders started to target this small, but active community. Lasagna liberated this community from The Black Hawks and since then we have been searching for the rightful owners. Now recently Lasagna had a diplomatic conflict with ravana and the conflict could have been solved mutually, but ravana declined to come on the diplomatic table and started exercising its Military. If ravana wanted to raid and show its dominance they could have tried to raid Lasagna itself and our Military would have surely answered, but they decided to attack this small ceasing community of LASAGNA PART TWO and they raided and created a successful occupation. Lasagna's military was defeated once and the combined forces of all regions in Assembly of Regions was also defeated multiple times and now all our very tries have failed to Liberate the region as ravana password locked the region.
The only way we could again make that community alive is by passing this proposal.
Your Sincere,
United Nations organisation on behalf of Lasagna for Liberating LASAGNA PART TWO


I really wish I had the ingredients to make lasagna tonight :(

You saying that makes me only more hungry. Referring to your earlier comment, Ransium, I did not mean that your decision was biased in any way at all. I was just saying that it was marked legal

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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:23 pm

Glacio Revera wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Highly doubt it I got nothing

I've heard of a few delegates getting TGs, maybe they are taking it slow.

Ladinacem Andia wrote:On behalf of most of my region, I would like to talk a moment to clear up some issues here. First and foremost, what’s even happening. UNOs proposal, as has been addressed here, lacks any reasoning as to why LPT should be liberated. There is merit behind this, I assure you.
The reason this proposal exists in the first place is the fault of ravana themselves. Their hostile actions (which would be better explained by TGI) lead to several members of our region discussion a defensive show of force to warn ravana about a war. They then used these posts calling for a response to their posturing as a justification to declare war on us.
The merit behind this liberation is the precedent it sets. It protects smaller regions like mine from raiders who would prevent the growth of said regions. It keeps regions like mine from having to fear massive predator organizations like the black hawks, and even smaller ones like ravana, purely because we’re simply too tiny to even fight them. The loss of a dominion was, in the end, unimportant. What is important is that we set a standard to allows small regions to grow and expand.

Grow and expand by swallowing up other regions under threat of force? The Grey Isles' activity is not what any reasonable person would describe as polite,and the fact of the matter is that in the lead-up to the Ravanan declaration of war, high level government officials in lasagna were a wonderful combination of threatening and bothersome. Our response was to denounce this behavior, and launch an attack on one of your "dominion" regions, rather than attacking a region with any actual natives in it, in the hopes we could come to an agreement. Additionally, I think comparing ravana to the black hawks is a little unfair. We have responded to a region who has threatened us, not just because, and we explicitly chose a native-less region to attack. Personally, I prefer to defend, and hope to lead our fledgling armed forces on some detag runs after the threat has concluded.

You had no basis to attack at all, just because one high ranking government official went overboard.
Have you ever head of a thing called diplomacy, you could of just refused to talk to them at lasagna. You are looking like you were ready to attack anyone and used TGI as a scapegoat to justify a faux pas war.
I will be suggesting to lasagna to draft a condem against Ravana.
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Postby Kanglia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:51 pm

This is actually so ridiculous lol. Aside from being horribly written, your basis is fairly incomprehensible, and the Old Zealand chaps coming in and and fighting for this is both a little creepy and also rather annoying(the shouting specifically)
Hopefully this doesn't reach quorum, if it was written better, I might consider worthy of passing.
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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:47 pm

Kanglia wrote:This is actually so ridiculous lol. Aside from being horribly written, your basis is fairly incomprehensible, and the Old Zealand chaps coming in and and fighting for this is both a little creepy and also rather annoying(the shouting specifically)
Hopefully this doesn't reach quorum, if it was written better, I might consider worthy of passing.

I am getting really annoyed now, 1st its not creepy that is very insulting, if you did some research (too lazy), you would find out we are allies with Lasagna, we even suggest to improve it :eyebrow:
Wow only one of our guys shouted, they were told off by the Mods.

I have even suggested that a condem of Ravana would be better, but again noone seems to care, more interested in bashing Old Zealand for no reason.
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Postby Kanglia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:04 pm

United England n Wales wrote:
Kanglia wrote:This is actually so ridiculous lol. Aside from being horribly written, your basis is fairly incomprehensible, and the Old Zealand chaps coming in and and fighting for this is both a little creepy and also rather annoying(the shouting specifically)
Hopefully this doesn't reach quorum, if it was written better, I might consider worthy of passing.

I am getting really annoyed now, 1st its not creepy that is very insulting, if you did some research (too lazy), you would find out we are allies with Lasagna, we even suggest to improve it :eyebrow:
Wow only one of our guys shouted, they were told off by the Mods.

I have even suggested that a condem of Ravana would be better, but again noone seems to care, more interested in bashing Old Zealand for no reason.

A condemn would be even more useless. Furthermore if you and Lasagna are so allied how exactly did you fail to liberate the region yourselves before a password was placed?
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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:16 pm

Kanglia wrote:
United England n Wales wrote:I am getting really annoyed now, 1st its not creepy that is very insulting, if you did some research (too lazy), you would find out we are allies with Lasagna, we even suggest to improve it :eyebrow:
Wow only one of our guys shouted, they were told off by the Mods.

I have even suggested that a condem of Ravana would be better, but again noone seems to care, more interested in bashing Old Zealand for no reason.

A condemn would be even more useless. Furthermore if you and Lasagna are so allied how exactly did you fail to liberate the region yourselves before a password was placed?

Alright I will keep track of the regions actions to see if they should be condemned, however it was more of a suggestion and more over am not going to just write on up randomly.

Your asking the wrong person on that.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:26 pm

United England n Wales wrote:
Kanglia wrote:A condemn would be even more useless. Furthermore if you and Lasagna are so allied how exactly did you fail to liberate the region yourselves before a password was placed?

Alright I will keep track of the regions actions to see if they should be condemned, however it was more of a suggestion and more over am not going to just write on up randomly.

Your asking the wrong person on that.

You're part of Old Zealand so what's your interests with Lasagna?
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:29 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
United England n Wales wrote:Alright I will keep track of the regions actions to see if they should be condemned, however it was more of a suggestion and more over am not going to just write on up randomly.

Your asking the wrong person on that.

You're part of Old Zealand so what's your interests with Lasagna?

I’m injured Old Zealand as well - we are allies

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Postby Wayneactia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:19 pm

United England n Wales wrote:I will be suggesting to lasagna to draft a condem against Ravana.

Perhaps you should get a handle on how gameplay actually works and drop this little charade. No one gives a shit about your petty little dispute with another region, or the two nation puppet region you seem to think anybody else cares enough to liberate.

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Postby United England n Wales » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:51 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
United England n Wales wrote:I will be suggesting to lasagna to draft a condem against Ravana.

Perhaps you should get a handle on how gameplay actually works and drop this little charade. No one gives a shit about your petty little dispute with another region, or the two nation puppet region you seem to think anybody else cares enough to liberate.

I think you need to learn to read this thread, 1, I do know how gameplay works and there is no 'charade', that is a stupid comment.
2, Old Zealand are not the ones is dispute, it is Lasagna but you cant be arsed to read this thread, otherwise you would known that.
3, I really do not care, if people can not give proper advice out.
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Postby Wayneactia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:20 pm

United England n Wales wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Perhaps you should get a handle on how gameplay actually works and drop this little charade. No one gives a shit about your petty little dispute with another region, or the two nation puppet region you seem to think anybody else cares enough to liberate.

I think you need to learn to read this thread, 1, I do know how gameplay works and there is no 'charade', that is a stupid comment.
2, Old Zealand are not the ones is dispute, it is Lasagna but you cant be arsed to read this thread, otherwise you would known that.
3, I really do not care, if people can not give proper advice out.

It sure seems off that Old Zealand is pushing so hard for this here liberation. But by all means, do what you like. As for the insults? Heard them all before. Nothing new.

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Postby United Nations organisation » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:19 am

I would request all people here to suggest me the best for a new proposal
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:58 am

United Nations organisation wrote:I would request all people here to suggest me the best for a new proposal

You were given advice on how to improve your draft, but instead of spending time doing that you decided to carry on regardless and submit a pretty crappy proposal.

So, why should we help you now?
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Postby United England n Wales » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:00 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:This has been submitted and now has 30 approvals out of 73 needed. Was there a campaign sent out for this?

Highly doubt it I got nothing

Did you ever get a TG before I took over the WA Delegate from you?
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Postby United England n Wales » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:06 am

Wayneactia wrote:
United England n Wales wrote:I think you need to learn to read this thread, 1, I do know how gameplay works and there is no 'charade', that is a stupid comment.
2, Old Zealand are not the ones is dispute, it is Lasagna but you cant be arsed to read this thread, otherwise you would known that.
3, I really do not care, if people can not give proper advice out.

It sure seems off that Old Zealand is pushing so hard for this here liberation. But by all means, do what you like. As for the insults? Heard them all before. Nothing new.

I think it should be put on hold for now or maybe abandoned, we are not hard pushing for it.
Insults? Did not see any?
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Postby United England n Wales » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:15 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
United Nations organisation wrote:I would request all people here to suggest me the best for a new proposal

You were given advice on how to improve your draft, but instead of spending time doing that you decided to carry on regardless and submit a pretty crappy proposal.

So, why should we help you now?

I think it should be abandoned all together now.
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Postby Team Leo » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:36 am

Okay I will tell the truth. Alright this proposal isn't that good but instead of attacking the author, why don't you give him feedback instead. :(

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