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[Draft] Liberate LASAGNA PART TWO

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Postby Farlandiay » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:11 am

Team Leo wrote:Yeah can you give LP2 back now. You are going way too far >:(


In my opinion, holding an unused region until a treaty is signed is a very minor action, far less than those taken by Lasagna which include a direct raid attempt on Ravana, RMB spamming, and impersonation attempts. Our treaty stands, and we are eager to end the conflict whenever the government of Lasagna chooses to sign it.
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Postby Team Leo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:13 am

Farlandiay wrote:
Team Leo wrote:Yeah can you give LP2 back now. You are going way too far >:(


In my opinion, holding an unused region until a treaty is signed is a very minor action, far less than those taken by Lasagna which include a direct raid attempt on Ravana, RMB spamming, and impersonation attempts. Our treaty stands, and we are eager to end the conflict whenever the government of Lasagna chooses to sign it.

I mean so. You raided there region and kicked the natives out. Why should they sign a peace treaty?

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Postby Farlandiay » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:15 am

Team Leo wrote:
Farlandiay wrote:
In my opinion, holding an unused region until a treaty is signed is a very minor action, far less than those taken by Lasagna which include a direct raid attempt on Ravana, RMB spamming, and impersonation attempts. Our treaty stands, and we are eager to end the conflict whenever the government of Lasagna chooses to sign it.

I mean so. You raided there region and kicked the natives out. Why should they sign a peace treaty?

If you can name a single native and have them post here, I will be truly shocked. The region was only populated by TBH puppets, the government of Lasagna even stated that it was unaffiliated with them.
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Postby Team Leo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:16 am

Farlandiay wrote:
Team Leo wrote:I mean so. You raided there region and kicked the natives out. Why should they sign a peace treaty?

If you can name a single native and have them post here, I will be truly shocked. The region was only populated by TBH puppets, the government of Lasagna even stated that it was unaffiliated with them.

Oh my bad. Just give it back :evil: >:( :mad:

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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:52 pm

I see this has been submitted. Well it’s not very well written, zero research on reasons why anyone should support it and should disappear without trace in a few days.

Yes, it will get the usual rubber stampers approving it, but let’s face it they wouldn’t know a good (or legal) proposal if it got up and bit them.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:54 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I see this has been submitted. Well it’s not very well written, zero research on reasons why anyone should support it and should disappear without trace in a few days.

Yes, it will get the usual rubber stampers approving it, but let’s face it they wouldn’t know a good (or legal) proposal if it got up and bit them.

Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:01 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I see this has been submitted. Well it’s not very well written, zero research on reasons why anyone should support it and should disappear without trace in a few days.

Yes, it will get the usual rubber stampers approving it, but let’s face it they wouldn’t know a good (or legal) proposal if it got up and bit them.

Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

Did I say it was illegal? Please point out to me me where I said it was illegal. What is it with you jokers from Old Zealand, do you all lack the ability to understand my posts?
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:03 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

Did I say it was illegal? Please point out to me me where I said it was illegal. What is it with you jokers from Old Zealand, do you all lack the ability to understand my posts?

Now that is flaming. Actually you did. Earlier in the thread you said it would be marked illegal under rule 4(c)
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Postby United England n Wales » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:06 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

Did I say it was illegal? Please point out to me me where I said it was illegal. What is it with you jokers from Old Zealand, do you all lack the ability to understand my posts?

Thats flaming, mod report.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:07 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Did I say it was illegal? Please point out to me me where I said it was illegal. What is it with you jokers from Old Zealand, do you all lack the ability to understand my posts?

Now that is flaming. Actually you did. Earlier in the thread you said it would be marked illegal under rule 4(c)

Then report me.

Also I said one clause, which was removed from the submitted proposal, could possibly be illegal as R4(c), the operative word being possibly.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:12 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Now that is flaming. Actually you did. Earlier in the thread you said it would be marked illegal under rule 4(c)

Then report me.

Also I said one clause, which was removed from the submitted proposal, could possibly be illegal as R4(c), the operative word being possibly.

I wasn’t even saying you were wrong originally. All I said was Ransoum marked it legal. I did, by the way
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:17 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:Now that is flaming. Actually you did. Earlier in the thread you said it would be marked illegal under rule 4(c)

United England n Wales wrote:Thats flaming, mod report.

No it's not flaming. And if you think someone is flaming on the forums, report them in the Moderation forum.

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Now that is flaming. Actually you did. Earlier in the thread you said it would be marked illegal under rule 4(c)

United England n Wales wrote:Thats flaming, mod report.

No it's not flaming. And if you think someone is flaming on the forums, report them in the Moderation forum.

I did, actually
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I see this has been submitted. Well it’s not very well written, zero research on reasons why anyone should support it and should disappear without trace in a few days.

Yes, it will get the usual rubber stampers approving it, but let’s face it they wouldn’t know a good (or legal) proposal if it got up and bit them.

Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

I can think of many reasons to attack this here proposal. First of all it is crap. Perhaps you should have taken the time to read through prior past resoultions to see how things are actually done. There is no conceivable reason to liberate a 134 day old region, that has a history of having a grand total of two whole nations residing there full time. This won't even scare quorum, let alone have even a slim chance of passing. I suggest you drop the issue and we can move on.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Team Leo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:14 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

Did I say it was illegal? Please point out to me me where I said it was illegal. What is it with you jokers from Old Zealand, do you all lack the ability to understand my posts?

WHAT HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY GLORIOUS REGION. WE ARE NOT JOKERS. WE ARE THE COOLEST REGION

ALL HAIL OLD ZEALAND
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Postby Team Leo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:16 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Ransium said it was legal, contradicting you. There is not a reason to attack the proposal

I can think of many reasons to attack this here proposal. First of all it is crap. Perhaps you should have taken the time to read through prior past resoultions to see how things are actually done. There is no conceivable reason to liberate a 134 day old region, that has a history of having a grand total of two whole nations residing there full time. This won't even scare quorum, let alone have even a slim chance of passing. I suggest you drop the issue and we can move on.

You know it seems you are capable of writing a proposal. Well let me see YOU make a proposal then.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:20 pm

Team Leo wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I can think of many reasons to attack this here proposal. First of all it is crap. Perhaps you should have taken the time to read through prior past resoultions to see how things are actually done. There is no conceivable reason to liberate a 134 day old region, that has a history of having a grand total of two whole nations residing there full time. This won't even scare quorum, let alone have even a slim chance of passing. I suggest you drop the issue and we can move on.

IT'S NOT CRAP. HEY YOU IT IS MY ALLIES. HOW DARE YOU WA ELITE ATTACK OUR PROPOSALS

ALL HAIL LASAGNA >:(

Here's a concept for you. How about adding something of substance to the conversation instead of spamming? It is crap, there is no other way to say it. You can reword it, until your heart is content, but you cannot polish a turd. No offense to the author here, but there is absolutely no reason for this liberation. It is a nothing region.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:20 pm

Team Leo wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I can think of many reasons to attack this here proposal. First of all it is crap. Perhaps you should have taken the time to read through prior past resoultions to see how things are actually done. There is no conceivable reason to liberate a 134 day old region, that has a history of having a grand total of two whole nations residing there full time. This won't even scare quorum, let alone have even a slim chance of passing. I suggest you drop the issue and we can move on.

You know it seems you are capable of writing a proposal. Well let me see YOU make a proposal then.

Do you expect nothing but good as response? It is genuine feedback.
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Postby Team Leo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:21 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Team Leo wrote:IT'S NOT CRAP. HEY YOU IT IS MY ALLIES. HOW DARE YOU WA ELITE ATTACK OUR PROPOSALS

ALL HAIL LASAGNA >:(

Here's a concept for you. How about adding something of substance to the conversation instead of spamming? It is crap, there is no other way to say it. You can reword it, until your heart is content, but you cannot polish a turd. No offense to the author here, but there is absolutely no reason for this liberation. It is a nothing region.

EXCUSE ME THAT IS MY ALLIES. IT IS A WELL DONE PROPOSAL AND INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE AUTHOR WHY DONT YOU GIVE HIM/HER FEEDBACK
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 pm

Team Leo wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Here's a concept for you. How about adding something of substance to the conversation instead of spamming? It is crap, there is no other way to say it. You can reword it, until your heart is content, but you cannot polish a turd. No offense to the author here, but there is absolutely no reason for this liberation. It is a nothing region.

EXCUSE ME THAT IS MY ALLIES. IT IS A WELL DONE PROPOSAL AND INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE AUTHOR WHY DONT YOU GIVE HIM/HER FEEDBACK

You should maybe look at past liberations and take feedback as constructive instead of a attack
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Postby Farlandiay » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:39 pm

I couldn’t make a better case against this proposal than the way in which it’s supporters have refused input, rejected criticisms, and spammed this thread. Those are the same tactics that lasagnians have used on the Ravana RMB that provoked this conflict and have made peace negotiations difficult.
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Postby United England n Wales » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:32 pm

Farlandiay wrote:I couldn’t make a better case against this proposal than the way in which it’s supporters have refused input, rejected criticisms, and spammed this thread. Those are the same tactics that lasagnians have used on the Ravana RMB that provoked this conflict and have made peace negotiations difficult.

You started a war for no reason, tbh your region deserves to have a condemnation by the SC.

(No I will not be writing one.)
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:11 pm

Is this really something the SC should be concerned about?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:14 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Is this really something the SC should be concerned about?

Region captured by raiders, seems fair. Although all the spamming here is annoying me.
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Postby Katganistan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:35 am

Team Leo wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Here's a concept for you. How about adding something of substance to the conversation instead of spamming? It is crap, there is no other way to say it. You can reword it, until your heart is content, but you cannot polish a turd. No offense to the author here, but there is absolutely no reason for this liberation. It is a nothing region.

EXCUSE ME THAT IS MY ALLIES. IT IS A WELL DONE PROPOSAL AND INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE AUTHOR WHY DONT YOU GIVE HIM/HER FEEDBACK

Stop typing in all caps, please. It's considered shouting, and it's rude.

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