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[DEFEATED] Condemn Mikeswill

Postby Morover » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:32 pm

Use BBCode available in the first post below the OP to copy-paste the exact proposal text.


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Condemn Mikeswill

Condemnation

Nominee: Mikeswill

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named region which paradoxically shares a name with the multiversal plane that all known nations exist on,

Acknowledging that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism, exemplifying their tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public, daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler of Mikeswill cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under their protection,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" the damned,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" to be made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of this chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support of infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the “Friends With All; Aligned With None” mantra of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, amid the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill.


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country
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Postby Morover » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:34 pm

Reserved for drafts.

A bit of info: Mikeswill was supportive of this endeavor, so I decided it was worth writing. I've had a draft of this around in different forms for a few weeks now, but only really got the first precursors of this specific version about a week ago, and then stopped working on it for a bit, until by co-author mentioned planning something similar - we teamed up, and managed to get this draft out.

Regardless, I hope you enjoy it. I feel Mikeswill is deserving, and I do think that this proposal does a pretty good job of demonstrating that.

Drafts:
The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named and paradoxical region which shares a name with the multiversal plane which all known nations exist on,

Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - not the least of which was the original ruler of NationStates, Mikes Hope, which was clouded by a mysterious smoke of divine nature, ultimately wiping the nation off the map - a godly occurrence which no doubt happened due to the maleficence of the leader,

Confused by the faux regional government of NationStates, which upon initial inspection appears to have involvement from multiple nations, but in reality is solely comprised of satellite nations controlled by Mikeswill, further demonstrating the despicable and all-controlling nature of the leader of the nation,

Disgusted by the public daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under the protection of Mikeswill,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" them,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious council and body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately manifested towards the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" being made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of the chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support for infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the message of “Friends With All; Aligned With None” of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,

Concluding that, among the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill

Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named and paradoxical region which shares a name with the multiversal plane which all known nations exist on,

Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - not the least of which was the original ruler of NationStates, Mikes Hope, which was clouded by a mysterious smoke of divine nature, ultimately wiping the nation off the map - a godly occurrence which no doubt happened due to the maleficence of the leader,

Deploring the illusion of separation of powers that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under the protection of Mikeswill,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" them,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious council and body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately manifested towards the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" being made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of the chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support for infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the message of “Friends With All; Aligned With None” of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, among the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named and paradoxical region which shares a name with the multiversal plane which all known nations exist on,

Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion of separation of powers that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under the protection of Mikeswill,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" them,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious council and body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately manifested towards the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" being made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of the chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support for infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the message of “Friends With All; Aligned With None” of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, among the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named and paradoxical region which shares a name with the multiversal plane which all known nations exist on,

Dismayed that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under the protection of Mikeswill,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" them,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" to be made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of the chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support for infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the message of “Friends With All; Aligned With None” of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, among the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named and paradoxical region which shares a name with the multiversal plane that all known nations exist on,

Acknowledging that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler of Mikeswill cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under their protection,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" the damned,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" to be made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of this chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support of infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the “Friends With All; Aligned With None” mantra of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, amid the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country

The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of Mikeswill holds over the region NationStates, an oddly-named region which paradoxically shares a name with the multiversal plane that all known nations exist on,

Acknowledging that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism, exemplifying their tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public, daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within NationStates, ultimately showing that the despotic ruler of Mikeswill cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under their protection,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" the damned,

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" to be made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that Mikeswill's hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of Mikeswill has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of this chamber,

Noting that Mikeswill is the figurehead of the nation of The Highlander 1, notorious for their friendship and support of infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting NationStates from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of Mikeswill, completely contrary to the “Friends With All; Aligned With None” mantra of NationStates,

Impressed by Mikeswill’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
  • Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
  • Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
  • Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
  • Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
  • Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of The Highlander 1,
Concluding that, amid the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, Mikeswill prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns Mikeswill.


Co-Authored by Noahs Second Country


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The World Assembly Security Council,

Aware of the sixteen-year long, iron-grip control, that the leader of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] holds over the region [region]NationStates[/region], an oddly-named region which paradoxically shares a name with the multiversal plane that all known nations exist on,

Acknowledging that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] has led multiple countries - one of which, [nation]Mikes Hope[/nation], was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

Deploring the illusion that is used by the leader of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] in order to make [region]NationStates[/region] appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism, exemplifying their tyrannical rule over the region,

Disgusted by the public, daily display of oftentimes sensitive information of nations within [region]NationStates[/region], ultimately showing that the despotic ruler of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] cannot be trusted, even by those who are said to be under their protection,

Denouncing the artificial inflation of regional population during the apocalypses of the undead, ultimately and intentionally leading to more suffering in the world during these times, solely for the international praise that may come from "curing" the damned,

Scorning [nation]Mikeswill[/nation]'s utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" to be made available by the international community,

Further decrying the fact that [nation]Mikeswill[/nation]'s hatred towards this most august assembly spreads beyond their own borders, seeing as the leader of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] has chosen to banish all nations who vote for any proposal to liberate a region, one of the most important and discernible functions of this chamber,

Noting that [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] is the figurehead of the nation of [nation]The Highlander 1[/nation], notorious for their friendship and support of infamous raider regions, which has effectively resulted in a shield protecting [region]NationStates[/region] from invasion, all while other innocent regions continue to be subjected to destruction at the delight of [nation]Mikeswill[/nation], completely contrary to the “Friends With All; Aligned With None” mantra of [region]NationStates[/region],

Impressed by [nation]Mikeswill[/nation]’s artwork galleries, which exceed nearly all other nations in magnitude, yet saddened to realize the tactics employed in order to acquire these collections, which include:
[list][*]Abusing power and position to coax innocent nations into selling art well below their presumed value,
[*]Contributing to massive value crashes of well-known artwork through participation in the process of counterfeiting for personal gain,
[*]Using preexisting artwork collections to produce more favorable deals on the market,
[*]Monopolizing hard to find artworks appraised as ‘legendary’ by critics, artificially increasing scarcity and price,
[*]Attempting to hide artwork via their satellite nation of [nation]The Highlander 1[/nation],[/list]
Concluding that, amid the nations who have made a career out of wreaking international havoc and ruthlessly ruling under the guise of peace and love, [nation]Mikeswill[/nation] prevails as among the most prolific and tenured,

Hereby condemns [nation]Mikeswill[/nation].


Co-Authored by [nation]Noahs Second Country[/nation]
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:38 pm

Mikeswill is great
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

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Postby Bormiar » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:11 pm

While he petitions to abolish the SC because he likely believes that is the only solution, Mikeswill's criticisms are constructive, benign, and potentially accurate to an extent. Mikeswill describes commendations and condemnations as "a popularity contest", which contradict the World Assembly, which "is not a Beauty Contest". It's unreasonable to suggest that the World Assembly isn't a popularity contest to a large extent given 1) recent and past examples of poor-quality resolutions passing or failing due to a nominee's image (we all know), 2) the likelihood that an author decides to write a C&C before doing all the research (why would they throw it out)-- therefore branding is everything, 3) the poor standardization of what makes a nation or region worthy (it varies significantly); worthiness is determined mostly subjectively, 4) the nature in which historical evidence is uncovered: mostly word of mouth, and 5) the likelihood that one would not vote to award someone they don't like (or vice versa). There is simply no objective measure of condemnability / commendability, and there's no record of all player's accomplishments to compare with and find the gems, so the players which somehow stand out are far more likely to be recognized by the SC-- obviously. A really good way to stand out is being popular. Furthermore, it's feasible that C&Cs are indirectly popularity contests, given that many players have received far more opportunities because they are more well-liked or charismatic. We're collectively pretty smart, so I'd trust the SC not to turn into a "Beauty Contest", but we've seen the SC turn into a politicized disappoint aptly fitting Mikeswill relatively reasonable perspective.

As for liberations, his perspective is a stretch but I can see where it comes from. He comes from a time where passwords were necessary to prevent trolls, and seems to want to have the ability to keep "the last line of defense" (passwords). Obviously, in cases such as Iran, the liberation ultimately hurt the community. Additionally, he seems to argue that natives are irresponsible to not secure their region, so I'd infer he means that the potential damage outweighs the cost (he would likely deny allegations that he is a raider sympathizer; from the cards discord): "If a Region can not defend itself, too bad! The leadership should have been responsible." Offensive liberations such as one of the Embassy would likely be anathema to Mikeswill.

He also seems to be against repeals due to their usage, though that's not argued in his "manifesto". Looking at his voting record, he votes for all SC repeals (which can help out natives and the SC).

Looking at some spreadsheets on his voting record, it seems that the only non-repeal resolution he's voted for in the past 6 years is commend Kindjal (the spreadsheets go back that far), so while it's certainly not too common, he votes for resolutions he believes to not be a popularity contest, which seems rather benign. I recall seeing more votes for on older SC proposals when making my defeated SC proposals list, but I might've gotten that wrong.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with Mikeswill, but I follow his argument. At worst, he's misguided. Not spiteful.

I don't believe we can condemn someone for their opinion, but you can phrase it to condemn and argue against the viewpoint.
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Postby Morover » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:27 pm

Bormiar wrote:While he petitions to abolish the SC because he likely believes that is the only solution, Mikeswill's criticisms are constructive, benign, and potentially accurate to an extent. Mikeswill describes commendations and condemnations as "a popularity contest", which contradict the World Assembly, which "is not a Beauty Contest". It's unreasonable to suggest that the World Assembly isn't a popularity contest to a large extent given 1) recent and past examples of poor-quality resolutions passing or failing due to a nominee's image (we all know), 2) the likelihood that an author decides to write a C&C before doing all the research (why would they throw it out)-- therefore branding is everything, 3) the poor standardization of what makes a nation or region worthy (it varies significantly); worthiness is determined mostly subjectively, 4) the nature in which historical evidence is uncovered: mostly word of mouth, and 5) the likelihood that one would not vote to award someone they don't like (or vice versa). There is simply no objective measure of condemnability / commendability, and there's no record of all player's accomplishments to compare with and find the gems, so the players which somehow stand out are far more likely to be recognized by the SC-- obviously. A really good way to stand out is being popular. Furthermore, it's feasible that C&Cs are indirectly popularity contests, given that many players have received far more opportunities because they are more well-liked or charismatic. We're collectively pretty smart, so I'd trust the SC not to turn into a "Beauty Contest", but we've seen the SC turn into a politicized disappoint aptly fitting Mikeswill relatively reasonable perspective.

As for liberations, his perspective is a stretch but I can see where it comes from. He comes from a time where passwords were necessary to prevent trolls, and seems to want to have the ability to keep "the last line of defense" (passwords). Obviously, in cases such as Iran, the liberation ultimately hurt the community. Additionally, he seems to argue that natives are irresponsible to not secure their region, so I'd infer he means that the potential damage outweighs the cost (he would likely deny allegations that he is a raider sympathizer; from the cards discord): "If a Region can not defend itself, too bad! The leadership should have been responsible." Offensive liberations such as one of the Embassy would likely be anathema to Mikeswill.

He also seems to be against repeals due to their usage, though that's not argued in his "manifesto". Looking at his voting record, he votes for all SC repeals (which can help out natives and the SC).

Looking at some spreadsheets on his voting record, it seems that the only non-repeal resolution he's voted for in the past 6 years is commend Kindjal (the spreadsheets go back that far), so while it's certainly not too common, he votes for resolutions he believes to not be a popularity contest, which seems rather benign. I recall seeing more votes for on older SC proposals when making my defeated SC proposals list, but I might've gotten that wrong.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with Mikeswill, but I follow his argument. At worst, he's misguided. Not spiteful.

I don't believe we can condemn someone for their opinion, but you can phrase it to condemn and argue against the viewpoint.

The intention of this proposal was to focus on actions, as opposed to opinions. Frankly, I agree that his opinions have total merit - the one clause that focuses solely on this "ideology" (the "scorning" clause - as the "decrying" clause is more so condemning the injection of nations who vote for liberations) is intentionally hyperbolic, so as to poke fun at the Security Council itself - as is theme in many of my proposals. It is slightly less on the nose as what I did in SCR#301, but it's the same principle.

Through condemnation, the ultimate goal is to recognize Mike's achievements in NationStates, and it makes far more sense to do that through a condemnation as opposed to a commendation, especially from the point of view of an IC Council - however, because many of his actions are indeed commendable instead, there needs to be a way to show from a player-perspective that this is indeed a recognition of their wider accomplishments. For the specific clause of their ideology within the Security Council, I recognize the merit that it has through hyperbole, as that's how I communicate both in the real-world and online. I think that satirically poking fun at the Security Council whilst simultaneously recognizing his beliefs as to the body is possible, and that's what I was aiming for. The satire is subtle, but it is there.

I don't legitimately get annoyed at the anti-SC sentiments, but surely the SC from an IC point-of-view would, and they would likely have a highly serious and prestigious opinion of their organization. This is from the perspective of the Security Council as a whole, not the players - my nod to the players is the satire.

That was probably repetitive, but I wanted to get my point across as effectively as I could.
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Bormiar wrote:Obviously, in cases such as Iran, the liberation ultimately hurt the community.

Eh. The only known community of Iran was pushed out by the Persia folks, and only survives in the form of Iranamerica, so them being in the region most of the time post-liberation is really as much of a win for the community as was possible.

I'll consider this, potentially an interesting take

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This has been tried. Mike doesn't want SC recognition. Have you bothered to contact him about it?
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Wayneactia wrote:This has been tried. Mike doesn't want SC recognition. Have you bothered to contact him about it?

Looks like that was answered in the first reply.

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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:14 am

Morover wrote:Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - not the least of which was the original ruler of NationStates, Mikes Hope, which was clouded by a mysterious smoke of divine nature, ultimately wiping the nation off the map - a godly occurrence which no doubt happened due to the maleficence of the leader,
Honestly, I think this clause is too much rhetoric and not enough meat. All you're saying is that Mikeswill has operated other nations before, including the old leader of NationStates, who CTE'd. You've put that information knee-deep in oft-confusing rhetoric and framing — you'd have us believe that the leader was such a bad guy that a cloud of smoke randomly descended on another nation? Not only is that fantasy-level framing, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense in-character.

Confused by the faux regional government of NationStates, which upon initial inspection appears to have involvement from multiple nations, but in reality is solely comprised of satellite nations controlled by Mikeswill, further demonstrating the despicable and all-controlling nature of the leader of the nation,
It feels like you're going around in circles. "Confused by the government, which appears to be led by multiple nations but is actually just operated by satellite nations, which is bad". I'd rephrase this to make it more straightforward, i.e. "Decrying the corrupt nature of Mikeswill's regional governance, evidenced in its use of multiple satellite nations to provide the region with the appearance of a democracy rather than a dictatorship," or something similar. Also I'd make sure there's precedent for using "satellite nations" if you haven't already; it could theoretically constitute a real-world reference.

Edit: Fixed the "his" problem; thanks, Kuriko. :)
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Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:
Morover wrote:Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - not the least of which was the original ruler of NationStates, Mikes Hope, which was clouded by a mysterious smoke of divine nature, ultimately wiping the nation off the map - a godly occurrence which no doubt happened due to the maleficence of the leader,
Honestly, I think this clause is too much rhetoric and not enough meat. All you're saying is that Mikeswill has operated other nations before, including the old leader of NationStates, who CTE'd. You've put that information knee-deep in oft-confusing rhetoric and framing — you'd have us believe that the leader was such a bad guy that a cloud of smoke randomly descended on another nation? Not only is that fantasy-level framing, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense in-character.

Confused by the faux regional government of NationStates, which upon initial inspection appears to have involvement from multiple nations, but in reality is solely comprised of satellite nations controlled by Mikeswill, further demonstrating the despicable and all-controlling nature of the leader of the nation,
It feels like you're going around in circles. "Confused by the government, which is appears to be led by multiple nations but is actually just operated by satellite nations, which is bad". I'd rephrase this to make it more straightforward, i.e. "Decrying the corrupt nature of Mikeswill's regional governance, evidenced in his use of multiple satellite nations to provide the region with the appearance of a democracy rather than a dictatorship," or something similar. Also I'd make sure there's precedent for using "satellite nations" if you haven't already; it could theoretically constitute a real-world reference.

"His" is an R4(b) violation, so Morover can't use that phrasing :p
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:23 am

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Postby Morover » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:50 am

Wayneactia wrote:This has been tried. Mike doesn't want SC recognition. Have you bothered to contact him about it?

Why would I write this if I hadn't? Despite popular opinion, I do care what the people I write about think about it.

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Morover wrote:Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - not the least of which was the original ruler of NationStates, Mikes Hope, which was clouded by a mysterious smoke of divine nature, ultimately wiping the nation off the map - a godly occurrence which no doubt happened due to the maleficence of the leader,
Honestly, I think this clause is too much rhetoric and not enough meat. All you're saying is that Mikeswill has operated other nations before, including the old leader of NationStates, who CTE'd. You've put that information knee-deep in oft-confusing rhetoric and framing — you'd have us believe that the leader was such a bad guy that a cloud of smoke randomly descended on another nation? Not only is that fantasy-level framing, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense in-character.

The point is that Mikes Hope was deleted by the mods - hence "divine nature... godly occurrence" - if it was a mere CTE, I'd have placed it as malicious ignorance as opposed to genuine maleficence.

Confused by the faux regional government of NationStates, which upon initial inspection appears to have involvement from multiple nations, but in reality is solely comprised of satellite nations controlled by Mikeswill, further demonstrating the despicable and all-controlling nature of the leader of the nation,
It feels like you're going around in circles. "Confused by the government, which is appears to be led by multiple nations but is actually just operated by satellite nations, which is bad". I'd rephrase this to make it more straightforward, i.e. "Decrying the corrupt nature of Mikeswill's regional governance, evidenced in his use of multiple satellite nations to provide the region with the appearance of a democracy rather than a dictatorship," or something similar. Also I'd make sure there's precedent for using "satellite nations" if you haven't already; it could theoretically constitute a real-world reference.

I don't have any clue why "satellite nations" would be a real-world reference, you'll have to explain that one to me.

I'll try and make the clause more straightforward.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:36 am

Also I'd make sure there's precedent for using "satellite nations" if you haven't already; it could theoretically constitute a real-world reference.


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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:34 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Bormiar wrote:Obviously, in cases such as Iran, the liberation ultimately hurt the community.

Eh. The only known community of Iran was pushed out by the Persia folks, and only survives in the form of Iranamerica, so them being in the region most of the time post-liberation is really as much of a win for the community as was possible.

I'll consider this, potentially an interesting take

I should've phrased that better. The liberation did damage to the "community". Of course, that's not to say the damage necessarily outweighed the benefits.
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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:23 pm

Morover wrote:The point is that Mikes Hope was deleted by the mods - hence "divine nature... godly occurrence" - if it was a mere CTE, I'd have placed it as malicious ignorance as opposed to genuine maleficence.
Whoa, the mods deleted the nation? Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get that at all from the clause.
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Postby Morover » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:26 pm

Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:
Morover wrote:The point is that Mikes Hope was deleted by the mods - hence "divine nature... godly occurrence" - if it was a mere CTE, I'd have placed it as malicious ignorance as opposed to genuine maleficence.
Whoa, the mods deleted the nation? Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get that at all from the clause.

That could totally be due to me being a terrible judge of my own writing, because it seems obvious to me - though that is bound to happen, me having written it. I'll take a look at it in the coming time to see if I can clear that up.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:59 pm

Morover wrote:
Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:Whoa, the mods deleted the nation? Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get that at all from the clause.

That could totally be due to me being a terrible judge of my own writing, because it seems obvious to me - though that is bound to happen, me having written it. I'll take a look at it in the coming time to see if I can clear that up.

Made perfect sense to me Morover, even if it is a little, shall we say, hyperbolic. :)

I’ll try and give a bit more feedback in the next couple of days.
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Postby Morover » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:24 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Morover wrote:That could totally be due to me being a terrible judge of my own writing, because it seems obvious to me - though that is bound to happen, me having written it. I'll take a look at it in the coming time to see if I can clear that up.

Made perfect sense to me Morover, even if it is a little, shall we say, hyperbolic. :)

I’ll try and give a bit more feedback in the next couple of days.

Some may not like the way I put things, but at least I'm consistent!

Regardless, I appreciate it - I do think that the clause should be able to be understood by the general audience, though, so I did make it a little more on the nose.
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Deploring the illusion of separation of powers that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,


wait what? I thought those are just card farming puppets.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:33 pm

Awesomeland012345 wrote:
Morover wrote:
Deploring the illusion of separation of powers that is used by the leader of Mikeswill in order to make NationStates appear to be more democratic than it actually is, through the use of satellite states under their control - a decision that is used to avoid criticism and exemplifying the tyrannical rule over the region,


wait what? I thought those are just card farming puppets.

The puppets existed long before cards ever came out.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:52 am

Interesting, Mikeswill really deserves his condemnation with all of this going on.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:07 am

Some possible wording changes, the content though looks good.

Dismaying that, during this sixteen-year reign, the leader of Mikeswill has led multiple countries - one of which, Mikes Hope, was leveled to the ground due to godly wrath, likely as a result of the leader's maleficence,

“Dismayed that,” rather than “Dismaying that,”.

Scorning Mikeswill's utter, relentless disdain towards this prestigious council and body, voting against nearly all proposals put forth before it - a belief that is so vile, annoyingly repetitive, and prominent that it ultimately manifested towards caused the regional descriptor of "Anti-Security Council" being to be made available by to the international community,

Couple of small changes here.

I think that’s it.
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