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[DEFEATED] Condemn Northern Borland

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[DEFEATED] Condemn Northern Borland

Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:50 am

This resolution was at vote between the 21st and 25th of October, 2020.
It was defeated by a margin of 10,421 votes (about 76%) to 3,217 (about 24%).

This proposal has been refiled to the Security Council Condemnation Board.
NOTE: at 1550 BST on the 21st of October 2020, this proposal reached quorum with HumanSanity's approval, the 63th all told.

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Condemn Northern Borland
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.
Category: Condemnation
Nominee: Northern Borland
Proposed by: Tinhampton

THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

RECOGNISING that many national leaders have been successfully manipulated into believing that [nation=Northern Borland] consistently acts in the interests of other nations, having served for many years until July 2017 as the Advocate and Arbiter General of [region=Capitalist Paradise], which entails defending suspects in regional trials and helping resolve internal disputes before they escalate to the court system;

FEARFUL, however, that this community service has only helped Northern Borland to disguise its true legacy as a nation which is so utterly dominated by its fully-deregulated market that it has long described itself as "A Good Place to Raise Your Business" in its tourism campaigns - although such advertisement is hardly proving beneficial for a country which outlaws all immigration and is now ranked by the World Census as the third-most avoided in the multiverse (out of more than 225,000 nations);

CONCERNED that, although Northern Borland appears on the surface to be an economic miracle - boasting of the world's lowest income tax, highest average disposable income (and eighth-highest average income before "tax"), most efficient economy, and fifth-highest gross domestic product - many of these gains are pocketed by the highest-earning decile, the 24th-richest upper class of any country, which currently earns almost seventy times as much as the nation's lowest-income decile;

AWARE that this Northern Borlandian upper class has become so profitable as to distort World Census rankings on industry, with support from a government that spends the entire national budget on subsidising it: the nation currently ranks in the top sixty worldwide for all sixteen major industries other than book publishing (250th), information technology (691st), arms manufacturing (1,077th) and trout fishing (4,151st), with the manufacturing industry as a whole the 81st-largest in the world;

HORRIFIED at the realisation that any semblance of a judicial branch has been abolished, which - when combined with the fifth-rudest and sixth-most armed populace in the world, undoubtedly a byproduct of mandatory military service for citizens - has led to Northern Borland recording the second-highest death rate, 11th-highest crime rate and 132nd-highest youth crime rate of all nations;

DISMAYED at how Northern Borlandian citizens are so busy working (Northern Borland has the multiverse's second-highest employment rate, a figure which takes account of widespread child labour), spending (in the third-largest retail sector of any country) and eating (the prevalence of the world's largest soft-drinks sector and second-largest pizza delivery market translates into more than 199 in every 200 citizens being obese, itself the highest obesity rate worldwide) that they inadvertently prop up their President and CEO by simply not caring, thus being the third most politically-apathetic people in the world; and

CONVINCED that member states seeking to embrace capitalism ought to steer clear of the Northern Borlandian model thereof, which has brought to its citizenry little other than death, boredom, and mass-scale impulse buying:

HEREBY CONDEMNS [nation=Northern Borland].
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:15 am

Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:36 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written

Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.
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Postby Wayneactia » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:00 am

Kuriko wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written

Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.

Agreed. Seems like reaching for the lowest possible hanging fruit is the new norm.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:04 am

Kuriko wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written

Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.

I concur
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:14 am

You all do understand how much consistent work it takes to create nations with these extreme stats, right? I'm really frustrated by attempts to say that some parts of the game are superior to others. Borland's nation itself is an incredible achievement worthy of commendation.

Tinhampton, continue with this draft. It's strong work for a worthy nominee.

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:34 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:You all do understand how much consistent work it takes to create nations with these extreme stats, right? I'm really frustrated by attempts to say that some parts of the game are superior to others. Borland's nation itself is an incredible achievement worthy of commendation.

Sixteen-and-a-half years, baby! There are people on this site that weren't even alive when Northern Borland was created... or Condemnation, for that matter ;P

United Massachusetts wrote:Tinhampton, continue with this draft. It's strong work for a worthy nominee.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:25 am

United Massachusetts wrote:You all do understand how much consistent work it takes to create nations with these extreme stats, right? I'm really frustrated by attempts to say that some parts of the game are superior to others. Borland's nation itself is an incredible achievement worthy of commendation.

Tinhampton, continue with this draft. It's strong work for a worthy nominee.

I am inclined to support this draft more than Commend Kindjal as at least Northern Borland has interacted with other nations under their position of Arbiter General.
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Postby Bormiar » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:51 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:You all do understand how much consistent work it takes to create nations with these extreme stats, right? I'm really frustrated by attempts to say that some parts of the game are superior to others. Borland's nation itself is an incredible achievement worthy of commendation.

Tinhampton, continue with this draft. It's strong work for a worthy nominee.

I am inclined to support this draft more than Commend Kindjal as at least Northern Borland has interacted with other nations under their position of Arbiter General.

If I recall correctly, Kindjal roleplayed early on and communicated via tg, but seemingly because of a language barrier (French) and extreme toxicity, she cloistered herself. In my opinion, those are two fair reasons to not talk to others. This whole argument has been touched on in far more detail in the thread, of course.

I’ll add that a benefit of Commend Kindjal was that it encouraged the writing of resolutions that you’d be more inclined to support, such as Commend Northern Borland. I hadn’t realized how bold of a nominee that was, but luckily it didn’t fail.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:41 am

Kuriko wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written

Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.

Going to agree with Kuriko on this one - nothing condemnable here in my opinion.
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Postby Drasnia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:39 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.

Going to agree with Kuriko on this one - nothing condemnable here in my opinion.

I concur.

NB has always been pretty quiet and mostly content to just answer issues and craft his nation into a stats powerhouse. The few times I did work with him while delegate of CP, he was a really nice guy and did his job as AG well.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:38 am

Support considering Northern Borland has done a lot of work making their nation essentially be a dystopian corporate police state. We commended Kindjal for stuff regarding NS stats so NB deserves a badge for their work in the opposite direction.
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Postby United England n Wales » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:53 am

I will not be supporting this.

Nothing here is worth enough to condemn.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:06 pm

Still working on this. The following clause (which was the penultimate paragraph) has been removed, since I am no longer satisfied that East and Deep South Borlands are vassal states of Northern Borland:
OBSERVING that the Northern Borlandian government has proven duplicitous enough to set up two satellite states with largely opposing goals to Northern Borland itself, and briefly summarising them as:
  • [nation=East Borland] - the most avoided, most corrupt, and seventh-most atheistic society in the world - led by His Supreme Eminence, who has banned everything from immigration and emigration to video games and the practice of religion, prevented nationals from accessing family planning services and even permitted slavery in an attempt to keep his subjects in line; and
  • [nation=Deep South Borland], the world's most religious and most primitive country, which is also ranked as the third-most visited nation by tourists - a figure that must be called into doubt in light of its refusal to allow any planes to land on its territory (whether or not carrying any holidaymakers), prohibition of zoos, imposition of a nationwide curfew and sponsorship of a religiously-driven human sacrifice program; and
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:33 pm

I intend to submit this extremely soon. New draft up to reflect new Vital Stats :P
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:00 am

Kuriko wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Bravo, tin. :clap:

In all seriousness, this is quite well written

Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 am

Kuriko wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Well written, yes. But I'm not seeing anything screaming "condemnable" here at all. Most of this proposal is about NS stats where this nation doesn't event rank as the lowest in NS, and I still don't agree with C&Cing based upon NS stats from issues.

Seconded (or agreed to at the nth degree at this point). Answering issues in a specific way is not Condemnable.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:26 am

SkyDip wrote:
Kuriko wrote:

Seconded (or agreed to at the nth degree at this point). Answering issues in a specific way is not Condemnable.

You missed Commend Kindjal...
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:34 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
SkyDip wrote:Seconded (or agreed to at the nth degree at this point). Answering issues in a specific way is not Condemnable.

You missed Commend Kindjal...

Precedent ≠ preference, in this case.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Heidgaudr » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:29 am

SkyDip wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:You missed Commend Kindjal...

Precedent ≠ preference, in this case.

And the fact that it was a Commendation, not a Condemnation. It seems weird to say we've commended one person for answering issues well and then condemned another person for answering issues well without really explaining why it's bad. The arguments just boil down to "capitalism bad". Why condemn Northern Borland for having fat, rude, and well-armed citizens when there are plenty of dictatorships oppressing their populace? NB's stats simply do not support a condemnation.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:51 am

Heidgaudr argues that "The arguments just boil down to "capitalism bad"." This is not necessarily true - see the last paragraph - and NB's stats could well be seen as Commendable (or Commendemnable :P), but I do feel that how the effects of the stats can be/are being described warrant the dull orange thing instead of the shiny metallic thing. This is the bad side of hypercapitalism at "play" here.

I intend to submit at some point this weekend if nobody has any comments more substantiative than "nope, nothing to see (t)here."
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:52 am

Did you even ask NB if they wanted this?
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Did you even ask NB if they wanted this?

Yes. He is not a fan of the general category of stats-based C&Cs, but appreciates the research that went into this and believes that the WA should decide whether this is a worthy proposal in the proposal queue and on the voting floor. I'm interpreting that as "whatever happens happens" rather than "HECK NO!!!" (or, for that matter, :sad_jutomi:).
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:30 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Did you even ask NB if they wanted this?

Yes. He is not a fan of the general category of stats-based C&Cs, but appreciates the research that went into this and believes that the WA should decide whether this is a worthy proposal in the proposal queue and on the voting floor. I'm interpreting that as "whatever happens happens" rather than "HECK NO!!!" (or, for that matter, :sad_jutomi:).

I see.
since I am no longer satisfied that East and Deep South Borlands are vassal states of Northern Borland:


What happened to this, by the way? They seem like worthy inclusions, especially EB considering it's a pretty horrible nation stats wise (much worse than literally USA NB here)
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:22 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:What happened to this, by the way?

NB felt that keeping the "perhaps unsubstantiated" DSB/EB section in the proposal would give off the impression that my Condemnation would more resemble a personal grudge against him (which I don't have :P) than a sincere Condemnation.
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