Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:24 am
A lot of solid questions being asked. Thanks for the look over, BBD. I've made the edits.
I am not denying that if TBH were able to, they would raid the region and close all the embassies. With that said, anything could happen and the point I have been making is that offensive Liberations do not control what happens after the fact. Other regions/organizations could come in to take it over or protect The Embassy. The argument I am making is that this proposal would make it significantly more likely than now that the embassies in question would be removed. It has already started a larger conversation as Vippertooth looks to be talking with them about those embassies. Obviously, if the ones I have mentioned are closed, this proposal would lose a lot of bite and wouldn't really be necessary.
Well I think there is some validity to the argument that creating a space for a group gives them some legitimacy. My opinion, as a player, is that there are a lot of viewpoints on the forums that are problematic and tough to read. The forums are for nations to come together. Embassies are for regions to come together. It is not really possible to identify and ban individual nations from the forum unless they are breaking rules. However, it is possible to not allow specific regions from participating. For the site to do that on the forum, it would get very messy. However, for The Embassy to do that would be totally acceptable AND is already happening. I think this argument that The Embassy is the equivalent or even trying to be the equivalent of the forums is incorrect and flawed. They may be trying to be a central hub, but they are not trying to, nor will they ever be, a "universal" RMB. They have already denied embassies with some regions in the past as far as I know and various regions do not accept with them.
I think what needs to be driven home is that if the embassies listed in the OP were to be removed and if they decided to not have embassies with specific nazi/fascist regions, it would not change their identity at all. They would still be embassy-collectors with the most embassies and they could still act as a central hub for regions to talk. The only change would be that they now have some standards and responsibility with who they accept embassies with. I find it confusing that people are so willing to just be like "it is fine for them to have zero responsibility or thought with who they accept embassies with. That is just so hard!" Is it really too much to ask?
Overall, again if these embassies were removed, I would see no major reason to move forward with this proposal.
Wayneactia wrote:I see little reason to liberate the region. Honestly Jakker, Mall already tried to liberate Haven and we saw how well that worked out didn't we? This is the exact same thing. There is no possible way you can deny the fact that if liberated, the Hawks will invade the region and close ALL of the embassies, not just the fascist ones.
I am not denying that if TBH were able to, they would raid the region and close all the embassies. With that said, anything could happen and the point I have been making is that offensive Liberations do not control what happens after the fact. Other regions/organizations could come in to take it over or protect The Embassy. The argument I am making is that this proposal would make it significantly more likely than now that the embassies in question would be removed. It has already started a larger conversation as Vippertooth looks to be talking with them about those embassies. Obviously, if the ones I have mentioned are closed, this proposal would lose a lot of bite and wouldn't really be necessary.
Gorundu wrote:Jakker, I noticed you conveniently ignored this question: "In your opinion (as a player, not a moderator), should the forums ban fascists?"
Using the arguments you have constructed yourself and quoting your own words, you are, as someone who has volunteered to join the site staff as a forum moderator, "adding legitimacy and attention" to fascists by endorsing a site which explicitly has a policy to allow fascists. And if you believe this is not the case, then neither should you believe that The Embassy is "adding legitimacy and attention" to fascists.
Well I think there is some validity to the argument that creating a space for a group gives them some legitimacy. My opinion, as a player, is that there are a lot of viewpoints on the forums that are problematic and tough to read. The forums are for nations to come together. Embassies are for regions to come together. It is not really possible to identify and ban individual nations from the forum unless they are breaking rules. However, it is possible to not allow specific regions from participating. For the site to do that on the forum, it would get very messy. However, for The Embassy to do that would be totally acceptable AND is already happening. I think this argument that The Embassy is the equivalent or even trying to be the equivalent of the forums is incorrect and flawed. They may be trying to be a central hub, but they are not trying to, nor will they ever be, a "universal" RMB. They have already denied embassies with some regions in the past as far as I know and various regions do not accept with them.
I think what needs to be driven home is that if the embassies listed in the OP were to be removed and if they decided to not have embassies with specific nazi/fascist regions, it would not change their identity at all. They would still be embassy-collectors with the most embassies and they could still act as a central hub for regions to talk. The only change would be that they now have some standards and responsibility with who they accept embassies with. I find it confusing that people are so willing to just be like "it is fine for them to have zero responsibility or thought with who they accept embassies with. That is just so hard!" Is it really too much to ask?
Overall, again if these embassies were removed, I would see no major reason to move forward with this proposal.