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Jakker City
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:08 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Jakker City wrote:I closed over 700 embassies the other day in a couple of hours. If they mean what they say and prioritize this, I'm sure they can get it done in a matter of days at most.


Perhaps they may not actually mean what they say because they have been coerced by threat of raiding.


I would hate to see more lies from them in this thread.

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:13 pm

The Ambassadors Reception wrote:The Liberation states that it applies to "Delegate-imposed barriers". So assuming that's true, this Liberation would be toothless.

No, it applies to ROs also. Only the Founder is immune to it.
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:39 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Ambassadors Reception wrote:The Liberation states that it applies to "Delegate-imposed barriers". So assuming that's true, this Liberation would be toothless.

No, it applies to ROs also. Only the Founder is immune to it.


Which might have been what The Ambassadors Reception was referring to. I interpreted their post as implying that the founder imposed the password. So in that case, they did not technically lie about that specific piece and that's my bad for misinterpreting, but as has been noted, the proposal would still have an impact and as we are seeing it is having an impact.

Look forward to seeing the embassies being closed soon. :)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:59 pm

So is this still going to be submitted or not?
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:04 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:So is this still going to be submitted or not?


SC proposals typically hang around the forums a bit for discussion. There is no immediate rush and as I have said if The Embassy follows through with what they said including closing the embassies, there will not be a pressing need to submit this.

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Postby Awesomeland012345 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:45 pm

The Ambassadors Reception wrote:
Awesomeland012345 wrote:they unendorse the delegate, and this resolution does nothing.

That's an interesting angle to take, though I doubt it works like that.

Liberation: A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

ohhhhh…
guess I should've brushed up on that definition first.
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Postby The Ambassadors Reception » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:57 pm

Awesomeland012345 wrote:
The Ambassadors Reception wrote:That's an interesting angle to take, though I doubt it works like that.

Liberation: A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

ohhhhh…
guess I should've brushed up on that definition first.


Looks like that's inaccurate (see next quote)

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Ambassadors Reception wrote:The Liberation states that it applies to "Delegate-imposed barriers". So assuming that's true, this Liberation would be toothless.

No, it applies to ROs also. Only the Founder is immune to it.


Really? That wording is very misleading. I'll raise this in Technical. I doubt it's often that offensive Liberations have an impact based on this technicality, but best to avoid that ever happening.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:14 pm

I see absolutely no threat by The Embassy from a Gameplay, Roleplay, or OOC-Ideology standpoint. Their name is literally The Embassy, and their goal is literally to gain the most embassies possible.

This just feels like an attempt to gain a valuable trophy.
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:18 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:I see absolutely no threat by The Embassy from a Gameplay, Roleplay, or OOC-Ideology standpoint. Their name is literally The Embassy, and their goal is literally to gain the most embassies possible.


As has been stated before, they already have the most embassies by a significant percentage. Removing less than 100 embassies will not change their identity or that distinction, but will go a long way in showing a set of expectations for what ideals are promoted or which are not.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:23 pm

Jakker City wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:I see absolutely no threat by The Embassy from a Gameplay, Roleplay, or OOC-Ideology standpoint. Their name is literally The Embassy, and their goal is literally to gain the most embassies possible.


As has been stated before, they already have the most embassies by a significant percentage. Removing less than 100 embassies will not change their identity or that distinction, but will go a long way in showing a set of expectations for what ideals are promoted or which are not.

I heavily doubt that the Embassy promotes fascism. Heavily.

One of The Embassy's goals is to create a heavily accessible RMB for all to enjoy. Basically a game-side forums.

The Forums allows fascists to discuss on the forums.

Does this mean that the Forums support fascism? Of course not. The same can be applied for The Embassy.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:25 pm

Btw. The Embassy removed the fascist tag from the region.
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Postby The Ship God » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:27 pm

What a dumb proposal.
The embassy is not fascist
you are just trying to get a trophy
and Fash regions shouldnt be mentioned

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Postby Apostate » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:33 pm

Looks like the black hawks are trying to belong to the second region to ever raid the embassy. A vote for this is simply a vote for a raider to continue badge hunting.

Offensive liberations are also lame. Quit being lazy and i filtrate if you want that password! Thats what real raiders do anyhow.

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Postby Jakker City » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:57 pm

Apostate wrote:Looks like the black hawks are trying to belong to the second region to ever raid the embassy. A vote for this is simply a vote for a raider to continue badge hunting.

Offensive liberations are also lame. Quit being lazy and i filtrate if you want that password! Thats what real raiders do anyhow.

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I'm not quite sure though if you know what it means to be a real raider, but always appreciate your hate for TBH. :hug:

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Postby Paleoconservative Citizens » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:58 pm

Jakker City wrote:
Apostate wrote:Looks like the black hawks are trying to belong to the second region to ever raid the embassy. A vote for this is simply a vote for a raider to continue badge hunting.

Offensive liberations are also lame. Quit being lazy and i filtrate if you want that password! Thats what real raiders do anyhow.

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I'm not quite sure though if you know what it means to be a real raider, but always appreciate your hate for TBH. :hug:

He's right though. This is nothing more than an attempt to get some "Oh I took down the embassy" bragging rights. There's, as I said before, nothing wrong The Embassy, what is wrong is your attempt to bring down a good and helpful region just for your own gain, under the guise that it's to stop hate.
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Postby Boda » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:06 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:
Jakker City wrote:
I'm not quite sure though if you know what it means to be a real raider, but always appreciate your hate for TBH. :hug:

He's right though. This is nothing more than an attempt to get some "Oh I took down the embassy" bragging rights. There's, as I said before, nothing wrong The Embassy, what is wrong is your attempt to bring down a good and helpful region just for your own gain, under the guise that it's to stop hate.

Exactly! Which is why they're liberating it!
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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:08 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Ambassadors Reception wrote:The Liberation states that it applies to "Delegate-imposed barriers". So assuming that's true, this Liberation would be toothless.

No, it applies to ROs also. Only the Founder is immune to it.

Correct. Once someone changes the original founder password, the liberation will then affect that password.

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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:35 pm

A reminder on how Liberations work:
[violet] wrote:The Liberation mechanic is really simple: it just makes the regional password (if any) ineffective while there's no active Founder. If a region with a Founder gets Liberated, the region will gain its little badge, but nothing else will change: any password will remain in force. Should the Founder CTE, though, the password would suddenly become valid.

So there's no need to intervene: the WA can pass a Liberation resolution on any region it wants, regardless of whether it actually has a password, a Delegate, or a Founder. It won't do anything unless the region has no Founder and an active password, but we don't care about that.

Who imposed the password is irrelevant. All that matters is whether the Founder is alive or not.
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Postby Narvatus » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:19 am

An embassy with The Embassy is not a mark of added legitimacy, there are no special requirements to having one other than your region existing. They do however provide attention to fascist regions, yet they can just as well provide attention to equally obscene beliefs. This is simply a shoddy yet regrettably popular excuse to raid The Embassy.
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Postby Old Zealand Founder » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:24 am

The Embassy is called The Embassy as it is a place where regions can hold public talks and other negotiations without needing any actual embassies, which signal diplomatic ties and is not favorable with hostile regions. Yes, you can also use telegrams, but if it involves a lot of people it gets costly. Discord also works, but again if you are hostile, leaking your Discord server is not good. So basically: it's cheap, it's easy, and it's free. It's also just a place to hang out if you want to talk with people outside of your social circle.

So no. Don't. You messed up SECFanatics already, and that was a thriving community.
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Postby Codd » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:36 am

Well, it seems to me that once again, a group of fantastics within the World Assembly wants to destroy another region simply because it dared to decide for itself who to associate with. Of course, it also doesn't matter that The Embassy associates with regions of all ideologies and don't take sides, but please, don't let that stop you.

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Postby Praeceps » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:57 am

Codd wrote:... but please, don't let that stop you.

I certainly hope it won't. :)
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Postby Codd » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:01 am

Conducting such an action against a region that has done no wrong will only continue to show that the World Assembly is just the enforcer of the left, further solidifying resentment from the right.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:01 am

Codd wrote:Conducting such an action against a region that has done no wrong will only continue to show that the World Assembly is just the enforcer of the left, further solidifying resentment from the right.

Your opinion is not valued, as you are a fascist
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Postby Codd » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:04 am

And this right here is what I mean. And you wonder why we hate you so much.

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