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[CLOSED FOR NOW] Commend Adriatican

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 6:56 pm
by Awesomeland012345
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Commend Adriatican




The Security Council,

Acknowledging that the Adriatican is not widely known internationally, but that it is difficult to become a significant nation in a world of over 200,000 nations,

Astounded that Adriatican has held countless positions, in multiple regions and organizations by striving to excel in regional government, organizational government, and as ambassadors to other regions,

Recognizing that Adriatican has served Balder by:
  • Holding both the positions of Deputy Talman and Talman of Odelsting, lowerhouse of the Störting,
  • Authoring the bill that, although did not pass, nearly became the basis of Balder's economy,
Aware that Adriatican has benefitted the International Freedom Coalition by presiding as the Prime Minister, not once, but on three separate occasions,

Noting how Adriatican guided the International Securities and Exchange Commission to what is it today by serving as Commissioner, Co-Founder, and Vice Chair,

Cognizant how Adriatican currently sits on the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes, the largest bank in the world,

Emphasizing how Adriatican, upon visiting the developing region of Cheddar, immediately:
  • Designed and proposed creating a stronger and much more structured regional government,
  • Mapped, thus creating a map, of Cheddar, which will greatly benefit present and future residents,
  • Endorsed the delegate, strengthening the region's voting power,
  • Was appointed as the Minister of Foreign Affairs

Applauding how Adriatican was the former ambassador from Lazarus to The South Pacific and Europeia,

Remarking that Adriatican was the former President of the Unitarian Union,

Impressed at how Adriatican has served as the Delegate to the World Assembly of at least six regions,

Believing that these actions have proven Adriatican worthy after the many years of their servitude,

Hereby commends Adriatican

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 6:59 pm
by Noahs Second Country
Acknowledging that the Adriatican is not widely known internationally, but that it is difficult to become a significant nation in a world of over 200,000 nations,

If they aren't well known or recognized among the international community, then why would they be given recognition for standing out by the international community via a commendation?

edit: also this

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:05 pm
by The Yellow Emperor
Not sure if I would support it, but with Unitarian Union, I assume you mean the former region that has ceased to exist, known as The United Union although now preserved as a historical region and frankly, he has been quite brash with the behaviour in the World Conference region as well resulting in a ban. I also question, on why although not so well-known player, deserves to hold the badge of commendation with his comments recently.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:09 pm
by Awesomeland012345
Noahs Second Country wrote:
Acknowledging that the Adriatican is not widely known internationally, but that it is difficult to become a significant nation in a world of over 200,000 nations,

If they aren't well known or recognized among the international community, then why would they be given recognition for standing out by the international community via a commendation?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... ?start=290
#291 and #293

edit: also this
Looks like people being toxic. Including Adriatican. But a lot of people in the forums are toxic, honestly.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:14 pm
by Awesomeland012345
The Yellow Emperor wrote: frankly, he has been quite brash with the behaviour in the World Conference region as well resulting in a ban.
Where did he get banned from?
I also question, on why although not so well-known player, deserves to hold the badge of commendation with his comments recently.
which comments?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:17 pm
by Awesomeland012345
The Yellow Emperor wrote:Not sure if I would support it, but with Unitarian Union, I assume you mean the former region that has ceased to exist, known as The United Union although now preserved as a historical region

Also pretty sure that it's not the United Union. That was just a region they were a part of.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:18 pm
by Noahs Second Country
Both of the cited resolutions are for people that are significantly more recognizable than the nominee here. They are both commendable members of large UCRs who have done well more than what the current text of this resolution states Adriatican has.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:26 pm
by Awesomeland012345
Noahs Second Country wrote:Both of the cited resolutions are for people that are significantly more recognizable than the nominee here. They are both commendable members of large UCRs who have done well more than what the current text of this resolution states Adriatican has.

so basically Adriatican isn't worthy of being commendable?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:29 pm
by Noahs Second Country
Awesomeland012345 wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:Both of the cited resolutions are for people that are significantly more recognizable than the nominee here. They are both commendable members of large UCRs who have done well more than what the current text of this resolution states Adriatican has.

so basically Adriatican isn't worthy of being commendable?

From what I see here, yes.

Feel free to convince me otherwise.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:33 pm
by Adriatican
I thank the Delegate for the suggestion of commendation, and urge him to put it forward if it doesn't violate the standing rules of the Security Council.

If it fails, it fails, but these people don't get to decide who does and doesn't get to submit something.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:37 pm
by Francois Isidore
Adriatican wrote:I thank the Delegate for the suggestion of commendation, and urge him to put it forward if it doesn't violate the standing rules of the Security Council.

If it fails, it fails, but these people don't get to decide who does and doesn't get to submit something.

We may not decide who does and doesn’t get submit a proposal, but “we” can definitely decide who and who doesn’t have success after submitting their proposal. At present I’m not seeing a lot of commendable content here, like... at all.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:38 pm
by Noahs Second Country
If you do intend to push this resolution forward, currently it reads as a laundry list of positions that the nominee has held.

It does not actually list anything they have done, nor does it mention the impacts of their service, besides the clause describing what they have done for Cheddar, which conveniently happens to be your region. I recommend doing a bit more research and making the resolution more specific if you truly feel that Adriatican is commendable.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:40 pm
by Francois Isidore
Noahs Second Country wrote:If you do intend to push this resolution forward, currently it reads as a laundry list of positions that the nominee has held.

It does not actually list anything they have done, nor does it mention the impacts of their service, besides the clause describing what they have done for Cheddar, which conveniently happens to be your region. I recommend doing a bit more research and making the resolution more specific if you truly feel that Adriatican is commendable.

I couldn’t agree more. There’s no elaboration here, no explanation as to how the claims mentioned within were impactful or positive. There’s nothing to make the case for why the nominee is commend worthy. Holding positions and serving a region does not make you commendable, otherwise everyone would be commendable and that’s just simply not the case.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:45 pm
by Awesomeland012345
Francois Isidore wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:If you do intend to push this resolution forward, currently it reads as a laundry list of positions that the nominee has held.

It does not actually list anything they have done, nor does it mention the impacts of their service, besides the clause describing what they have done for Cheddar, which conveniently happens to be your region. I recommend doing a bit more research and making the resolution more specific if you truly feel that Adriatican is commendable.

I couldn’t agree more. There’s no elaboration here, no explanation as to how the claims mentioned within were impactful or positive. There’s nothing to make the case for why the nominee is commend worthy. Holding positions and serving a region does not make you commendable, otherwise everyone would be commendable and that’s just simply not the case.

Ohhh...
I think I wrote it all wrong then. I'll have to re-draft this then. I wrote it all wrong.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:49 pm
by Francois Isidore
Awesomeland012345 wrote:
Francois Isidore wrote:I couldn’t agree more. There’s no elaboration here, no explanation as to how the claims mentioned within were impactful or positive. There’s nothing to make the case for why the nominee is commend worthy. Holding positions and serving a region does not make you commendable, otherwise everyone would be commendable and that’s just simply not the case.

Ohhh...
I think I wrote it all wrong then. I'll have to re-draft this then. I wrote it all wrong.

No worries. Drafting is the perfect time to make revisions and endeavour to make your proposal better :)

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 4:32 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Awesomeland012345 wrote:
Francois Isidore wrote:I couldn’t agree more. There’s no elaboration here, no explanation as to how the claims mentioned within were impactful or positive. There’s nothing to make the case for why the nominee is commend worthy. Holding positions and serving a region does not make you commendable, otherwise everyone would be commendable and that’s just simply not the case.

Ohhh...
I think I wrote it all wrong then. I'll have to re-draft this then. I wrote it all wrong.

No you did a lot of things right. The draft is legal as far as I can see, tidily presented and with a reasonable amount of research done.

On the debit side of the ledger the nominee is not that well known, and has had no great impact on the wider NS community.

Personally, I don’t believe you will find enough to warrant commending this nation. Also their behaviour in the GA is somewhat off putting - they don’t like being told they’re wrong. The link provided by Noahs Second Country was only the latest example.