[PASSED] Commend Crushing Our Enemies

[Jakker City]

Probs submitting this in the next day or so. Last call!

[Badivermeraed]

Support, as COE has done some cool stuff including the booklet that's probably the only RL NS constitution on print.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The Oath Reform Bill: Eliminated a formatting barrer barrier for new members applying for citizenship;

The Let's Stop Worrying About Numbers Bill: Added expectations for how constitutional clauses were formatted and allowed Speakers to correct formatting errors in a more streamlined process;

Just a couple of minor suggestions Jakker. Otherwise this reads very well - best of luck, it will have my support.

[Daytime to Night]

I can't honestly say that I think these accomplishments stand out over and above a larger body of uncommended nations but I think the proposal now better fleshes out the reasons you feel that COE is deserving and represents some of the positive things that COE has done within the game.

It will be for voters to determine whether those also sufficiently outweigh some of the condemnable things that COE has led or participated in and I'm not going to comment on that especially.

What I will say is that COE brought some reasonable and moral leadership into the raider community post-Predator that it was sorely lacking and gameplay benefitted from one of its finest periods in the years that followed - as a result of the fair and level playing field that both sides could again operate on. They used their influence within the raider sphere and stood up when it mattered, in a way that those of us outside* of the raider sphere couldn't have achieved and I respect that.

*theoretically

[Jakker City]

The Oath Reform Bill: Eliminated a formatting barrer barrier for new members applying for citizenship;

The Let's Stop Worrying About Numbers Bill: Added expectations for how constitutional clauses were formatted and allowed Speakers to correct formatting errors in a more streamlined process;

Just a couple of minor suggestions Jakker. Otherwise this reads very well - best of luck, it will have my support.

Made the edits, BBD. Thank you.

I can't honestly say that I think these accomplishments stand out over and above a larger body of uncommended nations but I think the proposal now better fleshes out the reasons you feel that COE is deserving and represents some of the positive things that COE has done within the game.

It will be for voters to determine whether those also sufficiently outweigh some of the condemnable things that COE has led or participated in and I'm not going to comment on that especially.

What I will say is that COE brought some reasonable and moral leadership into the raider community post-Predator that it was sorely lacking and gameplay benefitted from one of its finest periods in the years that followed - as a result of the fair and level playing field that both sides could again operate on. They used their influence within the raider sphere and stood up when it mattered, in a way that those of us outside* of the raider sphere couldn't have achieved and I respect that.

*theoretically

A game I like to play on the forum is to see how you will push your narrative that "raiding is bad and raiders are bad and I [Numero] will say whatever it takes at any time to reiterate that. If I absolutely need to concede and say something positive about them, I will make it as backhanded and with as many caveats as possible." You can imagine this game gets played quite frequency.

[Daytime to Night]

A game I like to play on the forum is to see how you will push your narrative that "raiding is bad and raiders are bad and I [Numero] will say whatever it takes at any time to reiterate that. If I absolutely need to concede and say something positive about them, I will make it as backhanded and with as many caveats as possible." You can imagine this game gets played quite frequency.

Then clearly you don't know me very well, but I'm always glad to hear about how much the Black Hawks like to think about me

[Jakker City]

A game I like to play on the forum is to see how you will push your narrative that "raiding is bad and raiders are bad and I [Numero] will say whatever it takes at any time to reiterate that. If I absolutely need to concede and say something positive about them, I will make it as backhanded and with as many caveats as possible." You can imagine this game gets played quite frequency.

Then clearly you don't know me very well, but I'm always glad to hear about how much the Black Hawks like to think about me

1) I think I know you better than you think. Plus you should probably read through your posts. You'll notice the pattern. 2) Contrary to popular belief, while I am fabulous, I do not make up the entirety of The Black Hawks. I appreciate the spin though. You get to DJ a lot outside of NS or is this your main platform for practicing?

As for the proposal at hand, like me, it is quite fabulous.

[Awesomeland012345]

Revering the musical contributions to NationStates that have come from Crushing Our Enemies including the songs, Moves Like Jakker

I thought Jakker wrote that. Although I could be wrong.

[Jakker City]

Revering the musical contributions to NationStates that have come from Crushing Our Enemies including the songs, Moves Like Jakker

I thought Jakker wrote that. Although I could be wrong.

I can promise you that I did not write, perform, or produce this masterpiece

[Daytime to Night]

I can promise you that I did not write, perform, or produce this masterpiece

How can we trust this raider liar...

P.S. All jabs aside, I try to approach all proposals (unless premature) with the intention to help the author/s give that individual the best case for their commendation - regardless of my initial personal view on the matter. None of us have a 360 perspective and we should all try and reserve judgement as much as possible until the hive mind has done its work on a final draft.

If I take a harder line on some subjects, its probably more a case of not wanting a valid viewpoint to be drowned out rather than a deep personal conviction on my part.

I hope my contributions on proposals like this aren't solely viewed through a lens of suspicion.

[Awesomeland012345]

I thought Jakker wrote that. Although I could be wrong.

I can promise you that I did not write, perform, or produce this masterpiece

wait... you're Jakker?
I thought that that nation was someone else, but I'm not sure what I was thinking...
Why don't you write the resolution on your main?

[Jakker]

I can promise you that I did not write, perform, or produce this masterpiece

wait... you're Jakker?
I thought that that nation was someone else, but I'm not sure what I was thinking...
Why don't you write the resolution on your main?

I guess this was my best sleeper yet.

[Leonidas Valdez]

This is the second attempt at commending COE. I took the feedback from the previous attempt and tried to rework the draft to align with what others conveyed. Let me know your thoughts!

The Security Council,

Acclaiming Crushing Our Enemies’ years of leadership within NationStates and declaring that this body should not be deterred by the nation's name, but instead focus on their accomplishments,

Remarking that the nominee controls General COE of The North Pacific (TNP); the largest region in NationStates,

Impressed with General COE’s dedication to The North Pacific's security through their involvement in the region’s Security Council; both as a member and as the Vice-Delegate which oversees the council,

Declaring General COE as a leading author of legislative and constitutional reform proposals that have increased the stability and effectiveness of TNP's democratic governance including:

• The How a Bill Becomes a Law Amendment: Clarified how and when legislation takes effect;
• The OR Bill: Added language to the regional legal code for consistent handling of citizenship applications;
• The Oath Reform Bill: Eliminated a formatting barrier for new members applying for citizenship;
• The Reopen Nominations Fix Bill: Improved voting ballots to allow citizens to both express their preference of candidate as well as whether or not to reopen nominations;
• The Let's Stop Worrying About Numbers Bill: Added expectations for how constitutional clauses were formatted and allowed Speakers to correct formatting errors in a more streamlined process;
• The Zombie Preparedness Act: Allowed the region to more efficiently handle zombie emergencies;

Revering their persistence in developing physical copies of the region’s constitution and delivering these documents to 200 fellow nation leaders,

Emphasizing General COE’s efforts in modernizing the operations of the region’s Speakers Office and transforming the position into a significant role that nations actively aspire to by:

• Adding responsibilities to the Deputy Speakers' role for smoother transitions and to promote the retention of institutional memory;
• Updating the list of nations that held membership in the Regional Assembly after months of neglect and setting a new standard for the prompt processing of new member applications;

Underscoring the importance of this nation's role in the creation of the Election Commission within The North Pacific, as well as the design of many mottos for governmental offices that increased pride and prestige,

Thanking General COE 's leadership, including being appointed as the first Surgeon General, in developing the regional strategic responses and organizing the distribution of cures to other nations during times in which TNP has faced zombie epidemics,

Illuminating the nominee's 10+ years of military accomplishments, which has included:

• Developing a rank and promotion system that many regional military groups have adopted and continue to use to this day to help clarify roles and allow new nations to understand how to achieve each rank; which did not simply outline hierarchical positions like others before, but gave new responsibilities and recognition with promotions;
• Playing a vital role in the foreign policy practices and regional responses of The Black Hawks' Council including the aftermath of the military weapon, Predator, being found to be against international law;
• Promoting a culture of professionalism and responsibility in The Black Hawks that exists to this day, despite the potential of unsavory nations being drawn to conquering other regions;

Nothing that Crushing Our Enemies has made several musical contributions to NationStates including the songs, Moves Like Jakker and Grey Wardens Boogie,

Yielding that while their songs have not won every global song contest competed in, they have earned numerous awards and these songs are known across NationStates,

Concluding that this nominee has devoted much energy towards maximizing the Organization of regional practices for the benefit of so many other nations and should be Esteemed by this body,

Hereby commends Crushing Our Enemies.

I will never ever support TBH

[Lord Dominator]

I will never ever support TBH

We're shaking in our baby seal leather boots

[Jakker City]

I will never ever support TBH

I am so thankful that you and your region changed your mind!

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I will never ever support TBH

I am so thankful that you and your region changed your mind!

Must admit I laughed out loud when I’d seen what you did.

[Gorundu]

Comparing this to the previous version that went to vote, I must say I'm rather surprised to find that references to COE's tenures as Justice and Attorney General in TNP, as well as his work as MInister of Communications, have been removed completely. What was the rationale for this?

[Jakker City]

Comparing this to the previous version that went to vote, I must say I'm rather surprised to find that references to COE's tenures as Justice and Attorney General in TNP, as well as his work as MInister of Communications, have been removed completely. What was the rationale for this?

The original clause referencing Communications was not as clear and upon further review, it wasn't accurate under the previous context. As for the clause with the justice/AG stuff, it just wasn't as strong compared to many of the other TNP clauses and I couldn't quite get quantiative detail to add to it.

[Bormiar]

Comparing this to the previous version that went to vote, I must say I'm rather surprised to find that references to COE's tenures as Justice and Attorney General in TNP, as well as his work as MInister of Communications, have been removed completely. What was the rationale for this?

If those positions make a difference, he likely wasn’t commendable at all (and he is commendable).

[Tinhampton]

Quorate and will be voted on between the major updates of 1st June and 5th June...

AS OF 2130 BST ON SUNDAY: Approvals: 81 out of 78 needed (Sedgistan, Harmonic Empire, United Massachusetts, Mother Bear, Johanneslanden, Aynia Moreaux, Jean Rowe, Ostrovskiy, Horden, SFR Philippines, Ransium, McMasterdonia, The Age of Utopia, Vetiaca, Comackia, Azaghal, FORKTASTICSTAN, Eco-Paris Reformation, Zhonghua Minzhu, The Greater Low Countries, Foreignaid, Ten-Towns, Titanic Rising, Charlesdale, North East Somerset, Of Britannia and Hibernia, Aexnidaral, Woods Is Back, Meretica, Danieldan0, Neos Helios, Smiley Bob, Breadoria, Imperium Anglorum, Amblibahdesh, Mirkannia, Pharaoh Crystal, Rigels Light, Nouvelle Maison, Spartakoi, XKrieg, Aumeltopia, North Kalsennia, Nulkia, East-Southern Italy, Nghymru, Roylaii, The Neverlands, New Luciannova, New South Arctica, Free Azell, The Chuck, Central Protectorate of Alkoholi, Mikeswill, San Lumen, North Goguryeo, Newreath, South Krimelski, Candensia, Riocht mor Daraen, Takura, Belkom, Lusitanialand, South Reinkalistan, The Hellespont, Fed Dusistan, Savonian Socialists, Southern and Northern Caledonia, Dabberwocky, Mountain State of China, Chanhu-Daro, Dua Sicilia, Cylithia, Bonarane, Dome Artan, The Champlain, Drawkland, Byrdonia, Truther, Niger-Area, United Calanworie)

...also, spot the difference (for the rest of you, Jakker's already acknowledged this):

...Nothing that Crushing Our Enemies has made several musical contributions to NationStates...

[Jakker City]

Quorate and will be voted on between the major updates of 1st June and 5th June...

AS OF 2130 BST ON SUNDAY: Approvals: 81 out of 78 needed (Sedgistan, Harmonic Empire, United Massachusetts, Mother Bear, Johanneslanden, Aynia Moreaux, Jean Rowe, Ostrovskiy, Horden, SFR Philippines, Ransium, McMasterdonia, The Age of Utopia, Vetiaca, Comackia, Azaghal, FORKTASTICSTAN, Eco-Paris Reformation, Zhonghua Minzhu, The Greater Low Countries, Foreignaid, Ten-Towns, Titanic Rising, Charlesdale, North East Somerset, Of Britannia and Hibernia, Aexnidaral, Woods Is Back, Meretica, Danieldan0, Neos Helios, Smiley Bob, Breadoria, Imperium Anglorum, Amblibahdesh, Mirkannia, Pharaoh Crystal, Rigels Light, Nouvelle Maison, Spartakoi, XKrieg, Aumeltopia, North Kalsennia, Nulkia, East-Southern Italy, Nghymru, Roylaii, The Neverlands, New Luciannova, New South Arctica, Free Azell, The Chuck, Central Protectorate of Alkoholi, Mikeswill, San Lumen, North Goguryeo, Newreath, South Krimelski, Candensia, Riocht mor Daraen, Takura, Belkom, Lusitanialand, South Reinkalistan, The Hellespont, Fed Dusistan, Savonian Socialists, Southern and Northern Caledonia, Dabberwocky, Mountain State of China, Chanhu-Daro, Dua Sicilia, Cylithia, Bonarane, Dome Artan, The Champlain, Drawkland, Byrdonia, Truther, Niger-Area, United Calanworie)

...also, spot the difference (for the rest of you, Jakker's already acknowledged this):

...Nothing that Crushing Our Enemies has made several musical contributions to NationStates...

Yeah, I was just about to point this out. Sadly, I made a mistake and did not catch that. Since this will likely be a close vote even if the proposal was perfect, it is best to pull and resubmit again. I want to personally thank each of the delegates who approved this and I do apologize for those who have received telegrams and now will likely have to get another when this is resubmitted. I will wait a day or two before resubmitting. Thanks again for all those who are supporting this and I do apologize again for the oversight.

[Jakker City]

This has been submitted once again. Thank you all for the patience.

[Flanderlion]

Author good, nominee not, even with this being the second attempt.

A condemnation, sure, that's not as much of a stretch, meh nominee, but not the worst that we've seen. A commendation, for his primary achievements being a few things for TNP (which should be recognised by TNP, rather than them trying to stack this vote through) and raiding a series of regions, nope. The majority of supporters appear to be his mates attempting to backpat him from TBH and TNP. Closest to a commendable thing that he appears to have done, is write a few songs, but if writing a few songs outweighs all the negatives of a nominee, then we'll have a very long musical list of commended nations. Which doesn't sound terrible tbf, but COE is still not deserving of a commendation.

[Jakker City]

Author good, nominee not, even with this being the second attempt.

A condemnation, sure, that's not as much of a stretch, meh nominee, but not the worst that we've seen. A commendation, for his primary achievements being a few things for TNP (which should be recognised by TNP, rather than them trying to stack this vote through) and raiding a series of regions, nope. The majority of supporters appear to be his mates attempting to backpat him from TBH and TNP. Closest to a commendable thing that he appears to have done, is write a few songs, but if writing a few songs outweighs all the negatives of a nominee, then we'll have a very long musical list of commended nations. Which doesn't sound terrible tbf, but COE is still not deserving of a commendation.

Well I'm sure COE's songs could stack up against anyone else. There have been several examples of commendations passed that highlights someone's accomplishments in one region like Commend Tsunamy, Commend Wintony,and Commend Bachtendekuppen just to name a few. And yeah, I agree with you that if it was just TNP, it might be borderline. However, the positive work COE has done in the raiding community and his songs showcase a global reach. This is only expanded further by the work he did with helping to craft a ranking system with depth and intention for many militaries to follow.

And nothing that COE has done contradicts or alters anything written in the proposal. I think this mentality that "condemnable outweighs commendable" only makes sense if the condemnable actions directly contradicts or counters what is in the proposal. That is not the case here and I think isn't a strong argument.

[Flying Eagles]

This nominee does not seem to have done much notable outside of their region that deserves to be commended.

Also, “Playing a vital role in the foreign policy practices and regional responses of The Black Hawks' Council” seems to be code for appreciating their contribution to furthering the raider cause. Clarification please?