[JOKE][ABANDONED] Commend Deruuu

[Zizou]

It's true that in his showcase, he did move to this questionable region. However, as you recall during his showcase, he explicitly mentioned that this was an accident, and he didn't realize what he was joining into. He also mentions that he is not exactly on board with the premise of the region as a whole.

EDIT: I would also like to take this opportunity to mention that this was probably the least impactful part of the showcase, as the impact felt by new nations moving into Layem is considerably less than is implied by "leading his fanbase into the region". The only influx that can be tied to the showcase is an increase of about ~10-13 nations.

Layem did grow a lot. Plus, he never even saw the region's Discord I'm assuming and also the only reason he said he wasn't on board with the region was due to him making his nation a dictatorship.

While he didn't necessarily elaborate on why he wasn't on board with the region, he doesn't actively encourage his fanbase to go there. And the ~10-13 nation gain is minimal compared to the thousands of new nations created overall as a result of this showcase.

Fully against. In my eyes, a semi-popular youtuber simply recording a video on NationStates is no grounds for commendation.

Normally, I would agree: simply being popular while not having contributed anything of value should not be grounds for a commendation. However, this is not the case, as we can see that within a week of joining NS, he managed to gain a deep understanding of how update works, and found a way to take advantage of it to stop a raid, leading to the creation of a revolutionary new defender tactic to stop raids with only 1 updater.

He can only be regarded as a true strategic mastermind for coming up with this, and other defenders would do well to take note.

[South Reinkalistan]

Normally, I would agree: simply being popular while not having contributed anything of value should not be grounds for a commendation. However, this is not the case, as we can see that within a week of joining NS, he managed to gain a deep understanding of how update works, and found a way to take advantage of it to stop a raid, leading to the creation of a revolutionary new defender tactic to stop raids with only 1 updater.

He can only be regarded as a true strategic mastermind for coming up with this, and other defenders would do well to take note.

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by this because I don't really follow Drew Durnil and I ultimately don't care. Whether he found a new tactic or you're just memeing (and I heavily suspect the latter), it's still no grounds for commendation alone.

Still, no support.

[Aurum Raider]

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by this because I don't really follow Drew Durnil and I ultimately don't care. Whether he found a new tactic or you're just memeing (and I heavily suspect the latter), it's still no grounds for commendation alone.

Still, no support.

It's a meme that's not at all a joke. An influx of 7,000 nations caused such a disruption game-side that a raid had to be called off. Whether you follow the guy or not, the immediate impact he's had on the game is undeniable.

[South Reinkalistan]

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by this because I don't really follow Drew Durnil and I ultimately don't care. Whether he found a new tactic or you're just memeing (and I heavily suspect the latter), it's still no grounds for commendation alone.

Still, no support.

It's a meme that's not at all a joke. An influx of 7,000 nations caused such a disruption game-side that a raid had to be called off. Whether you follow the guy or not, the immediate impact he's had on the game is undeniable.

Is this impact positive? You mention that he's caused a disruption. It's still just fucking over a raid through his popularity alone. And it's not commendable.

All Drew's done is joined the game. That's it. And you want to commend him for it. This will probably give the game new users, yes, but I honestly don't think that he's put in the required effort to be commended.

I still stand against this.

[Aurum Raider]

Is this impact positive? You mention that he's caused a disruption. It's still just fucking over a raid through his popularity alone. And it's not commendable.

It stopped a raid party in their tracks, which I think most people would view as commendable, yes. Given the history of R/D I'd say most people consider the 'how' of that an irrelevant detail.

[Attike]

I'm still neutral, until we manage to figure out in which direction the consequences shall follow; from them, he might be commended, as well as condemned. Too early to tell.

[South Reinkalistan]

Is this impact positive? You mention that he's caused a disruption. It's still just fucking over a raid through his popularity alone. And it's not commendable.

It stopped a raid, which I think most people would view as commendable, yes. Given the history of R/D I'd say most people consider the 'how' of that an irrelevant detail.

It stopped a raid, which is mostly a one-time trick. This new burst of nations will begin to fizzle out.

If you want to use his joining as an argument, then you can also take into account the fact that his joining has inconvenienced basically everyone using the site. If he takes credit for the questionably "positive" results of him joining, he must also take the credit for the objectively negative results.

[New Tussia]

Is this impact positive? You mention that he's caused a disruption. It's still just fucking over a raid through his popularity alone. And it's not commendable.

It stopped a raid party in their tracks, which I think most people would view as commendable, yes. Given the history of R/D I'd say most people consider the 'how' of that an irrelevant detail.

So. You're promoting Ddosing the site?
NS was unusable for a few hours and the servers are still struggling.
Imagine the pain Max is going through? He no doubt almost killed a server.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

It stopped a raid party in their tracks, which I think most people would view as commendable, yes. Given the history of R/D I'd say most people consider the 'how' of that an irrelevant detail.

So. You're promoting Ddosing the site?
NS was unusable for a few hours and the servers are still struggling.
Imagine the pain Max is going through? He no doubt almost killed a server.

DDoS implies malicious intent (just as stopping a raid implies benevolent intent). Drew Durnil isn't a botnet C&C server.

[New Tussia]

So. You're promoting Ddosing the site?
NS was unusable for a few hours and the servers are still struggling.
Imagine the pain Max is going through? He no doubt almost killed a server.

DDoS implies malicious intent. Drew Durnil isn't a botnet C&C server.

I understand that but Arum said that the how is irrelevant.

[Zizou]

It stopped a raid, which I think most people would view as commendable, yes. Given the history of R/D I'd say most people consider the 'how' of that an irrelevant detail.

It stopped a raid, which is mostly a one-time trick. This new burst of nations will begin to fizzle out.

If you want to use his joining as an argument, then you can also take into account the fact that his joining has inconvenienced basically everyone using the site. If he takes credit for the questionably "positive" results of him joining, he must also take the credit for the objectively negative results.

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

[South Reinkalistan]

It stopped a raid, which is mostly a one-time trick. This new burst of nations will begin to fizzle out.

If you want to use his joining as an argument, then you can also take into account the fact that his joining has inconvenienced basically everyone using the site. If he takes credit for the questionably "positive" results of him joining, he must also take the credit for the objectively negative results.

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

You're hairsplitting. Read the rest of my message.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

It stopped a raid, which is mostly a one-time trick. This new burst of nations will begin to fizzle out.

If you want to use his joining as an argument, then you can also take into account the fact that his joining has inconvenienced basically everyone using the site. If he takes credit for the questionably "positive" results of him joining, he must also take the credit for the objectively negative results.

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

If defenders were to start doing this intentionally then it would cross the line into DDoSing and possibly illegal in some countries.

Even if purchasing a botnet was a legal tactic in the R/D game, I think it would merit condemnation, not commendation.

[Aurum Raider]

I understand that but Arum said that the how is irrelevant.

The how is irrelevant right up until it breaks game rules. Botnets are illegal. Promoting a game on your platform is very much not so.

[Zizou]

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

If defenders were to start doing this intentionally then it would cross the line into DDoSing and possibly illegal in some countries.

Even if purchasing a botnet was a legal tactic in the R/D game, I think it would merit condemnation, not commendation.

Hence why I mentioned that this could be used as the basis for other tactics that are smaller in scale. It's unfortunate in this case that an accidental DDoS occurred, but there are other ways to mess up with update on a smaller, more localized scale than simply spamming out thousands of nations.

[Republic of Turbin]

This isn’t the only YouTuber to have joined NS. A YouTuber known as spike viper also has a region where his fans reside. In my opinion this proposal would sully the meaning of commendations and take away the value of a commendation to those who have made an impact on NS. I’m sorry but there is no reason I’d be in favor as though I’m subscribed to drew I do not believe that a commendation comes with your popularity rather your your achievements on the site.

[Blizonia]

how can this not have my support

[Domais]

Do it, how dare he bring upon this catastrophe, plus it would be good advertisement for nationstates.

[East Blepia]

The Security Council,

Noting that Deruuu was founded on Monday April 14th 2020, not even a month before this proposal was drafted,

Applauding Deruuu's contribution to making This Game - a region this esteemed body recently condemned - more difficult to access,

Impressed by Deruuu's efforts towards encouraging the foundation of at least 10,000 new sovereign nations,

Acknowledging that the founding of so many new sovereign bodies has inconvenienced the world as a whole,

Recognizing that these inconveniences extended to individuals partaking in the practice of foreign invasions, such as The Black Hawks,

Awestruck that the nation of Dreuuu single-handedly performed the once impossible task of stopping a multitude of quick, simultaneous invasions with a simple advertising campaign,

Condlucing that Deruuu's actions have immediately made them an individual worthy of international acknowledgement,

Hereby Commends Deruuu.

What in God's name has come over your head, man?

Did he speak French to you? You are acting like a very foolish man.

Condemn him, for heaven's sake! Bint al kalb, ibn al kalb, Alah yakhthek!

I have been in Nationstates since 2016 and I have never seen anything which it is worse than this. May God take your soul!

You are a very lack-of-understanding man because you have done this. God's mercy upon you.

Let us spit on this draft proposal. Tfu.

[Naval Monte]

(Finally I can post in here)

I normally don't involve myself in these matters until the voting begins but in this occasion I will have to agree with this proposal due to the chaos this newcomer caused.

[Sleet Clans]

Y e s. This has my full support

[Newmanistan]

I would wait until May 18th, when we can see the actual impact of his video.
How did he do anything for NS if 98% of them CTE on 5/18?

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

I would wait until May 18th, when we can see the actual impact of his video.
How did he do anything for NS if 98% of them CTE on 5/18?

Answer: the remaining 2%.

Also there is the argument that he prevented pending raids amidst the lag, thus opening the door for future raider/defender tactics that involve exploiting the update functions, but I do not find it convincing.

[United States of Michiganistan]

Man, a lot of people are mad at Drew Durnil lmao.

[Aurum Raider]

I would wait until May 18th, when we can see the actual impact of his video.
How did he do anything for NS if 98% of them CTE on 5/18?

Answer: the remaining 2%.

Also there is the argument that he prevented pending raids amidst the lag, thus opening the door for future raider/defender tactics that involve exploiting the update functions, but I do not find it convincing.

We'll see at major, but as it is the minor update hasn't actually ended yet.