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[Abandoned] Condemn The East Pacific

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[Abandoned] Condemn The East Pacific

Postby Bruxxa » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:39 pm

The Security Council,

Remembering that the purpose of its body is to uphold the diplomatic approach before all else--a commitment which current General Assembly (GA) legislation demands from member nations,

Recognizing that The East Pacific is a raiding region that infiltrates and destroys other regions (otherwise known as raiding) that disagree with its agenda under the guise that all who oppose them are fascist,

Protesting the excessive use of force to push an agenda used by The East Pacific to silence protesters against their tyranny (otherwise known as suppressing),

Noting that several members are affiliated with the Region The Blackhawks, which has been twice condemned at the time of the writing of this document,

Knowing that The East Pacific controls and operates numerous smaller regions in order to bypass nations trying to protect smaller regions from occupation (also known as defenders),

Acknowledging that the East Pacific both defends and raids, which proves the disloyalties within it,

Disgusted at the region's numerous attempts to usurp power or prestige from nations and regions throughout the world,

Aware that the excuse of "Freedom from corruption" does not exempt The East Pacific from their heinous acts,

Seeing that The East Pacific has blackmailed, threatened, and bribed WA member nations to pass resolutions that favor itself,

Understanding that The East Pacific has colluded with several raider regions to prevent resolutions from being passed,

Hereby Condemns The East Pacific.
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Postby Bowzin » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:17 pm

Bruxxa wrote:The Security Council,

Remembering that the purpose of its body is to uphold the diplomatic approach before all else--a commitment which current General Assembly (GA) legislation demands from member nations,
Recognizing that The East Pacific is a raiding region that infiltrates and destroys other regions (otherwise known as raiding) that disagree with its agenda under the guise that all who oppose them are fascist,

They're independent, not raider aligned, first of all. Second of all, I am assuming this is a reaction to the recent quorum raiding since you previously tried to condemn the JP used for that op and that you are mentioning the fascist motivation, in which case acts against fascist nations, regions, and their proposals are not condemnable. I see you yourself are an RO in a fascist tagged region, so naturally you're gonna disagree, but the SC is never going to side with fascists. There are plenty of people who'd be happy to explain why
Protesting the excessive use of force to push an agenda used by The East Pacific to silence protesters against their tyranny (otherwise known as suppressing),

TEP is far from a tyranny, and I think what you are getting at here is that TEP suppresses posts on the RMB that are anti-TEP, which is a common occurrence in most regions, especially since these types of posts are usually pretty trolly and degrade the RMB conversation. If you want to raise legitimate concerns of TEPs government, try making GP posts or joining the region and voicing concerns where you can make a change.
Noting that several members are affiliated with the Region The Blackhawks, which has been twice condemned at the time of the writing of this document,

Elaborate? I actually don't know of many joint TBH and TEPers. I'm sure it exists, but if one or two TBH members in a region makes it condemnable, than TRR should be condemned, too. :P
Knowing that The East Pacific controls and operates numerous smaller regions in order to bypass nations trying to protect smaller regions from occupation (also known as defenders),

Are you condemning them for having Jump points? Defenders also have Jump points...
Acknowledging that the East Pacific both defends and raids, which proves the disloyalties within it,

No it proves they conduct military operations that suit their needs and strengthen their foreign affairs. Many regions are independent, some of which are commended, like Europeia.
Disgusted at the region's numerous attempts to usurp power or prestige from nations and regions throughout the world,

You're gonna need to back this up with some evidence. Don't know of many TEP coups except for the one led against them.
Aware that the excuse of "Freedom from corruption" does not exempt The East Pacific from their heinous acts,

If they committed any heinous acts I would agree.
Seeing that The East Pacific has blackmailed, threatened, and bribed WA member nations to pass resolutions that favor itself,

HUGE need for evidence on this one, too.
Understanding that The East Pacific has colluded with several raider regions to prevent resolutions from being passed,

They colluded with other Pacifics, none of which are explicitly raider regions. TBH had done a raid on the same update as TEP, but they weren't working together.
Hereby Condemns The East Pacific.

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Postby Twobagger » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:23 pm

I think Bowzin did a pretty good job of addressing your initial draft. I would add the following:
Bruxxa wrote:Noting that several members are affiliated with the Region The Blackhawks, which has been twice condemned at the time of the writing of this document,


First, we're The Black Hawks, and I'd recommend using the region tag there to avoid any ambiguity. Right now it's not ambiguous, but who knows what the future will hold!

Next, I don't think that the mere presence of members of my region is a good reason to condemn another region. It might help your argument if you named these members and mentioned what they did. Did these nefarious members of TBH participate in the actions that got TBH Condemned? Is TEP knowingly harboring a bunch of villains who continue to participate in wrongdoing? That might make it a little stronger - but I honestly don't think you have enough to work from here.

Finally, I don't mean this as an insult, but it seems like you are fundamentally misunderstanding Gameplay mechanics throughout your draft. You might benefit from working with someone with a better working knowledge of the R/D mechanics so that you can identify what is commonplace, and what is unique or Condemnable.

As an aside, I'm not really sure what to make of your nation or region. Your posts have been overwhelmingly in support of the Catgirl Secretary General campaign thread - as of this post, I think 50 of your 60 posts are there. Your region removed the "Fascist" tag about 50 minutes before this post (so, right when Bowzin made his post identifying your region as Fascist-tagged). You do have a ton of other tags, so I can understand giving you the benefit of the doubt to some extent. But I have to ask: are you aware that the nation behind the Catgirl SecGen candidate is a member of TBH? Are you also aware of that nation's history in TEP?

Edit - the post above came off a bit harsher than I wanted. I don't mean to imply that your resolution is unadulterated garbage - the writing isn't bad. It's just that your writing makes some mistakes when it talks about the R/D side of things, which is a bit of a problem when large pieces of your resolution are about R/D.
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Postby Bruxxa » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:42 pm

Twobagger wrote:I think Bowzin did a pretty good job of addressing your initial draft. I would add the following:
Bruxxa wrote:Noting that several members are affiliated with the Region The Blackhawks, which has been twice condemned at the time of the writing of this document,


First, we're The Black Hawks, and I'd recommend using the region tag there to avoid any ambiguity. Right now it's not ambiguous, but who knows what the future will hold!

Next, I don't think that the mere presence of members of my region is a good reason to condemn another region. It might help your argument if you named these members and mentioned what they did. Did these nefarious members of TBH participate in the actions that got TBH Condemned? Is TEP knowingly harboring a bunch of villains who continue to participate in wrongdoing? That might make it a little stronger - but I honestly don't think you have enough to work from here.

Finally, I don't mean this as an insult, but it seems like you are fundamentally misunderstanding Gameplay mechanics throughout your draft. You might benefit from working with someone with a better working knowledge of the R/D mechanics so that you can identify what is commonplace, and what is unique or Condemnable.

As an aside, I'm not really sure what to make of your nation or region. Your posts have been overwhelmingly in support of the Catgirl Secretary General campaign thread - as of this post, I think 50 of your 60 posts are there. Your region removed the "Fascist" tag about 50 minutes before this post (so, right when Bowzin made his post identifying your region as Fascist-tagged). You do have a ton of other tags, so I can understand giving you the benefit of the doubt to some extent. But I have to ask: are you aware that the nation behind the Catgirl SecGen candidate is a member of TBH? Are you also aware of that nation's history in TEP?

Edit - the post above came off a bit harsher than I wanted. I don't mean to imply that your resolution is unadulterated garbage - the writing isn't bad. It's just that your writing makes some mistakes when it talks about the R/D side of things, which is a bit of a problem when large pieces of your resolution are about R/D.

I have no problem with raiders. In fact, I support them. That is why I wish to put this condemnation on them. All the condemnation does is essentially create a period of time and prestige for the region. In fact, several people are known to try to self condemn just for the badge.

Regarding the fascism tag, I had no idea we had it until it was pointed out. A former RO, haruhi japan, added literally all of our tags but a few, and there were too many for me to bother to read (that seems to have been a mistake.) I wasn't aware of it until it was pointed out to me, and when I was I immediately deleted it. I think I will abandon this draft: it is doomed to fail.
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:46 pm

I hate all Pacifics so full support no matter if it doesn’t make sense
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Postby Twobagger » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:51 pm

Bruxxa wrote:I have no problem with raiders. In fact, I support them. That is why I wish to put this condemnation on them. All the condemnation does is essentially create a period of time and prestige for the region. In fact, several people are known to try to self condemn just for the badge.

Regarding the fascism tag, I had no idea we had it until it was pointed out. A former RO, haruhi japan, added literally all of our tags but a few, and there were too many for me to bother to read (that seems to have been a mistake.) I wasn't aware of it until it was pointed out to me, and when I was I immediately deleted it. I think I will abandon this draft: it is doomed to fail.

Edit: that's good to hear regarding your region and the Fascist tag. And yeah, I didn't think that you hated raiders or anything - and even if you did, I wouldn't oppose your resolutions just for that reason.

I'm not sure I'd say that it's doomed to fail. Maybe there's something here that you could work with - you've just made mistakes here. I can't give you more specifics regarding things to add here, since I'm not very well-versed in TEP and its history. Perhaps you could talk to someone with a better understanding of this, to get more information about things that TEP has done which could be portrayed in a Condemnable light.

Have you talked with current and former members of the region? There are active members today who have been involved in TEP for a loooooooong time... maybe one of them would be willing to point you in the right direction.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:20 am

If you have decided to give up on this could you please change the title of your opening post from [Draft] to [Abandoned]. Just saves unnecessary posts and bumping of the thread. Likewise with your Frozen Circle thread.
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