NationStates

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:29 am**

Lord Dominator wrote:As the mods & admins will be happy to tell you, Technical changes are not decided by a popularity contest.

That's not my point. This resolution is a symbolic condemnation of the WA Elite, intended to demonstrate that the common nations and regions of NationStates disapprove of their massive, continued dominance over World Assembly affairs.

It's not trying to force a specific technical change, I just gave that as an example of something that should change. If you want to focus entirely on that, sure, go ahead, but you're missing the entire point.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:46 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:As the mods & admins will be happy to tell you, Technical changes are not decided by a popularity contest.

That's not my point. This resolution is a symbolic condemnation of the WA Elite, intended to demonstrate that the common nations and regions of NationStates disapprove of their massive, continued dominance over World Assembly affairs.

But it won't pass though, and you know it won't pass, so it won't do that.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:It's not trying to force a specific technical change, I just gave that as an example of something that should change. If you want to focus entirely on that, sure, go ahead, but you're missing the entire point.

I'm not entirely convinced that even you yourself know clearly and succinctly what the actual overall point of this is, given that you are hinting at there being a few reasons behind it and aren't elaborating on what they are:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do you think you're the first person to raise this issue? And do you think that this is the way to foster technical changes in the game? I'd encourage you to read the Technical forum. There have probably been a dozen threads about this very issue. Pass or fail, the resolution will have no impact on whether a technical change should or will be made.

This is not the only reason I'm fighting for this to pass, but it's a major part.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:55 am**

What exactly is the CCD? I clicked on this by chance and I have no clue what's going on.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:02 am**

Atheris wrote:What exactly is the CCD? I clicked on this by chance and I have no clue what's going on.

The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is a highly controversial region known for its association with fascists, crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements (who they call the "WA Elite"), crusades against the people who opposed Jocospor at the SecGen election, and crusades against anybody who attempts to challenge their rule.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:07 am**

Tinhampton wrote:
Atheris wrote:What exactly is the CCD? I clicked on this by chance and I have no clue what's going on.

The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is a highly controversial region known for its association with fascists, crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements (who they call the "WA Elite"), crusades against the people who opposed Jocospor at the SecGen election, and crusades against anybody who attempts to challenge their rule.

This is objectively false, but okay.

The CCD is a region of roleplay dedicated to dictatorial nations. Some of our nations choose to roleplay as fascists, but we are not a fascist region.

Our "crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements" is a part truth, we want to reduce the overwhelming influence that the WA Elite, including very large WA Delegates, have over the World Assembly. The nations responsible for the Sec-Gen election rigging almost completely overlaps with those who are part of the WA Elite.

We don't have any rule over the World Assembly, so I'm not really sure what you mean by that claim.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:09 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is a highly controversial region known for its association with fascists, crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements (who they call the "WA Elite"), crusades against the people who opposed Jocospor at the SecGen election, and crusades against anybody who attempts to challenge their rule.

This is objectively false, but okay.

The CCD is a region of roleplay dedicated to dictatorial nations. Some of our nations choose to roleplay as fascists, but we are not a fascist region.

Our "crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements" is a part truth, we want to reduce the overwhelming influence that the WA Elite, including very large WA Delegates, have over the World Assembly. The nations responsible for the Sec-Gen election rigging almost completely overlaps with those who are part of the WA Elite.

We don't have any rule over the World Assembly, so I'm not really sure what you mean by that claim.

By "they," I mean you lot. No evidence of any corrupt "WAE" activity beyond tactical voting.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:14 am**

Tinhampton wrote:By "they," I mean you lot. No evidence of any corrupt "WAE" activity beyond tactical voting.

Knocking off small Delegates in order to remove their approval does not count as "corrupt", I guess?

The New California Republic wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:It's not trying to force a specific technical change, I just gave that as an example of something that should change. If you want to focus entirely on that, sure, go ahead, but you're missing the entire point.

I'm not entirely convinced that even you yourself know clearly and succinctly what the actual overall point of this is, given that you are hinting at there being a few reasons behind it and aren't elaborating on what they are:

The purpose of this proposal is to allow the common nations and regions of the World Assembly to demonstrate their discontent with the ruling World Assembly Elite.

This includes, but is not limited to, their overwhelming influence on any given vote within the World Assembly, the massive voting blocks many large regions form, the Sec-Gen election rigging, and most recently, their actions in raiding small regions in order to knock off their Delegate and remove their approval for this proposal (which is very, very ironic, I have to add).

Another hope I have for this resolution is that it will cause many more nations to be vocal in rallying for changing many of the fundamental inequalities within the current WA voting system.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:17 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:By "they," I mean you lot. No evidence of any corrupt "WAE" activity beyond tactical voting.

Knocking off small Delegates in order to remove their approval does not count as "corrupt", I guess?

That's correct, it isn't

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:18 am**

Tinhampton wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Knocking off small Delegates in order to remove their approval does not count as "corrupt", I guess?

That's correct, it isn't

You're entitled to your opinion, it's just wrong.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:19 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:By "they," I mean you lot. No evidence of any corrupt "WAE" activity beyond tactical voting.

Knocking off small Delegates in order to remove their approval does not count as "corrupt", I guess?

The New California Republic wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that even you yourself know clearly and succinctly what the actual overall point of this is, given that you are hinting at there being a few reasons behind it and aren't elaborating on what they are:

The purpose of this proposal is to allow the common nations and regions of the World Assembly to demonstrate their discontent with the ruling World Assembly Elite.

This includes, but is not limited to, their overwhelming influence on any given vote within the World Assembly, the massive voting blocks many large regions form, the Sec-Gen election rigging, and most recently, their actions in raiding small regions in order to knock off their Delegate and remove their approval for this proposal (which is very, very ironic, I have to add).

Another hope I have for this resolution is that it will cause many more nations to be vocal in rallying for changing many of the fundamental inequalities within the current WA voting system.

The common nations don’t have discontent with the the WA “Elite” for the most part. If they were discontent, they wouldn’t endorse those delegates, and the delegates would lose their power. The simple fact that they are in power proves that the majority of nations have no problem with their rule. They have no way of forcing nations to keep endorsing them, so the only reason for them to be in power is that the “common nations” actually are quite content with their rule.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:23 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:The purpose of this proposal is to allow the common nations and regions of the World Assembly to demonstrate their discontent with the ruling World Assembly Elite.

This includes, but is not limited to, their overwhelming influence on any given vote within the World Assembly, the massive voting blocks many large regions form, the Sec-Gen election rigging, and most recently, their actions in raiding small regions in order to knock off their Delegate and remove their approval for this proposal (which is very, very ironic, I have to add).

Since said discontent is localised mostly within the CCD, that's not going to happen, and since only the CCD is salty as fuck about the election results. Which again is weird, given that it's just a result of the CCD being hated, which your region revels in; so why you think being hated doesn't have negative consequences I have no idea. :roll:

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:By "they," I mean you lot. No evidence of any corrupt "WAE" activity beyond tactical voting.

Knocking off small Delegates in order to remove their approval does not count as "corrupt", I guess?

The New California Republic wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that even you yourself know clearly and succinctly what the actual overall point of this is, given that you are hinting at there being a few reasons behind it and aren't elaborating on what they are:

The purpose of this proposal is to allow the common nations and regions of the World Assembly to demonstrate their discontent with the ruling World Assembly Elite.

This includes, but is not limited to, their overwhelming influence on any given vote within the World Assembly, the massive voting blocks many large regions form, the Sec-Gen election rigging, and most recently, their actions in raiding small regions in order to knock off their Delegate and remove their approval for this proposal (which is very, very ironic, I have to add).

Another hope I have for this resolution is that it will cause many more nations to be vocal in rallying for changing many of the fundamental inequalities within the current WA voting system.

You do realize there's only 1 large voting block of large regions, right? WALL.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:01 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:
Atheris wrote:What exactly is the CCD? I clicked on this by chance and I have no clue what's going on.

The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is a highly controversial region known for its association with fascists, crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements (who they call the "WA Elite"), crusades against the people who opposed Jocospor at the SecGen election, and crusades against anybody who attempts to challenge their rule.

Ah, right, I forgot about those guys.

Still, kinda fucked that like 0.3% of people control the entire WA. But, hey, to each their own. What exactly happened in the elections? I haven't payed much attention to anything outside of memes and coronavirus recently.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:19 pm**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:That's correct, it isn't

You're entitled to your opinion, it's just wrong.

Nope, it’s part of the game. You’re just bad at it compared to them, so you call it ‘corrupt’ to have a whine about it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:34 pm**

Atheris wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is a highly controversial region known for its association with fascists, crusades against WA Delegates with a lot of endorsements (who they call the "WA Elite"), crusades against the people who opposed Jocospor at the SecGen election, and crusades against anybody who attempts to challenge their rule.

Ah, right, I forgot about those guys.

Still, kinda fucked that like 0.3% of people control the entire WA. But, hey, to each their own. What exactly happened in the elections? I haven't payed much attention to anything outside of memes and coronavirus recently.

Jocospor ran in the the April Fool election that when you win it don't have any power. He was able to in round 3, and he was close to Valentine Z for only a few votes. Then the region tag with [region-tag=]Anti-Fascist[/region-tag] don't like to see a fascist candidate going to the next round, so they switch their vote to Val Z. In the end, Jocospor end up with short 26 votes, so he go on full rage and become salty and all that stuff.

Then, still salty about the position that have NO POWER, he wrote this resolution.

Now I am going to show that the WA Elite don't have that much strength in the WA:
All the so called superdelegate (McMastedonia, Aumeltopia, Marrabuk, Imperium Anglorum, Kuriko, East Durthang,...) : have a total votes of 4707 votes. All the active WA member which is not a delegate have a total of 5813 votes. All the small delegate account for 3335 vote. Which the current WA resolution, the 'elite' only account for 1/3 of the vote. Furthermore, they all have different belief and ideology, so their vote is often splitted. But they have one common goal: to destroy the fascist. Because of this, CCD accused the anti-fascist of 'elitist' and trying to do something that benefit their own.

Hope this help

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:38 pm**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:That's correct, it isn't

You're entitled to your opinion, it's just wrong.

You're only pissed off because you don't have the numbers to do it yourself.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:As the mods & admins will be happy to tell you, Technical changes are not decided by a popularity contest.

That's not my point. This resolution is a symbolic condemnation of the WA Elite, intended to demonstrate that the common nations and regions of NationStates disapprove of their massive, continued dominance over World Assembly affairs.

Or.... You could finally realize that it was your own bullshit that caused you guys to be effectively blacklisted from accomplishing anything in the WA. You cry foul and boo hoo, but never will you admit to your own mistakes. There's a word in the dictionary for that. Look it up sometime, or don't.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:43 pm**

Wayneactia wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:You're entitled to your opinion, it's just wrong.

You're only pissed off because you don't have the numbers to do it yourself.
Grab the popcorn.
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:That's not my point. This resolution is a symbolic condemnation of the WA Elite, intended to demonstrate that the common nations and regions of NationStates disapprove of their massive, continued dominance over World Assembly affairs.

Or.... You could finally realize that it was your own bullshit that caused you guys to be effectively blacklisted from accomplishing anything in the WA. You cry foul and boo hoo, but never will you admit to your own mistakes. There's a word in the dictionary for that. Look it up sometime, or don't.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:44 am**

So, I have a question. IF the WA Elite exists. IF you somehow manage to get this to quorum...

You need the WA Elite to vote to condemn themselves for this to pass. Is this just another guaranteed failure for CCD to be angry about and not shut up about for months?

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:17 am**

Syberis wrote:So, I have a question. IF the WA Elite exists. IF you somehow manage to get this to quorum...

You need the WA Elite to vote to condemn themselves for this to pass. Is this just another guaranteed failure for CCD to be angry about and not shut up about for months?

That is correct, I'm aware our chances of this passing are realistically slim. Definitely non-zero, but slim.

No, if it fails, this is not something we're going complain about - we just want to see it fairly get to vote (as it should have done five days ago without interference from five GCRs). It is very clear that the common nations and regions of NS want to see this voted on.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:19 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Syberis wrote:So, I have a question. IF the WA Elite exists. IF you somehow manage to get this to quorum...

You need the WA Elite to vote to condemn themselves for this to pass. Is this just another guaranteed failure for CCD to be angry about and not shut up about for months?

That is correct, I'm aware our chances of this passing are realistically slim. Definitely non-zero, but slim.

No, if it fails, this is not something we're going complain about - we just want to see it fairly get to vote (as it should have done five days ago without interference from five GCRs). It is very clear that the common nations and regions of NS want to see this voted on.

It isn't "very clear" at all. Fucking nonsense. :roll:

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:23 am**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Syberis wrote:So, I have a question. IF the WA Elite exists. IF you somehow manage to get this to quorum...

You need the WA Elite to vote to condemn themselves for this to pass. Is this just another guaranteed failure for CCD to be angry about and not shut up about for months?

That is correct, I'm aware our chances of this passing are realistically slim. Definitely non-zero, but slim.

No, if it fails, this is not something we're going complain about - we just want to see it fairly get to vote (as it should have done five days ago without interference from five GCRs). It is very clear that the common nations and regions of NS want to see this voted on.

I haven’t heard anybody other than you and a few other Jocospor fanboys say that they want to see this voted on or that they want to destroy the WA Elite. If you want to say it’s very clear that people want to see this voted on, you’ll need to pull some actual evidence out instead of just expecting us to believe it.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:25 am**

Guys, these people crave attention. If it gets to vote, vote against. If it doesn't, be glad. Seriously. That is all I will say.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:11 pm**

The New California Republic wrote:It isn't "very clear" at all. Fucking nonsense.

Kathol Rift wrote:I haven’t heard anybody other than you and a few other Jocospor fanboys say that they want to see this voted on or that they want to destroy the WA Elite. If you want to say it’s very clear that people want to see this voted on, you’ll need to pull some actual evidence out instead of just expecting us to believe it.

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:15 pm**

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It isn't "very clear" at all. Fucking nonsense.

Kathol Rift wrote:I haven’t heard anybody other than you and a few other Jocospor fanboys say that they want to see this voted on or that they want to destroy the WA Elite. If you want to say it’s very clear that people want to see this voted on, you’ll need to pull some actual evidence out instead of just expecting us to believe it.

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:

None of that speaks for the "common nations and regions of NS" at large, as if it is a widespread view, which is what you were trying to assert, so pull the other one.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:27 pm**

The New California Republic wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:
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None of that speaks for the "common nations and regions of NS" at large, as if it is a widespread view, which is what you were trying to assert, so pull the other one.

Note that the linked screenshot was taken only 12 hours after my campaign telegram was sent out.

My proposal was not only successful in very quickly gaining approvals, it actually gained those approvals quicker than the recently passed "Commend Kuriko". I'll also add that a counter-campaign telegram was extremely ineffective at removing support for the proposal, which is why the raids were necessary at preventing it from reaching quorum.

I would very strongly argue that if a proposal is to reach quorum that quickly, and with strong enough support that a counter-campaign is largely ineffective, it speaks for the many Delegates who have approved it that they do want to see it voted on.

You'll have to explain your point of view regarding how this is not the case?

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