[DRAFT] Condemn The World Assembly Elite

[The New California Republic]

None of that speaks for the "common nations and regions of NS" at large, as if it is a widespread view, which is what you were trying to assert, so pull the other one.

Note that the linked screenshot was taken only 12 hours after my campaign telegram was sent out.

My proposal was not only successful in very quickly gaining approvals, it actually gained those approvals quicker than the recently passed "Commend Kuriko". I'll also add that a counter-campaign telegram was extremely ineffective at removing support for the proposal, which is why the raids were necessary at preventing it from reaching quorum.

I would very strongly argue that if a proposal is to reach quorum that quickly, and with strong enough support that a counter-campaign is largely ineffective, it speaks for the many Delegates who have approved it that they do want to see it voted on.

You'll have to explain your point of view regarding how this is not the case?

It's pretty obvious what I'm getting at, as I have clearly spelled it out for you in the post you just quoted, so you must be intentionally misinterpreting it. If it isn't intentional however, then I'm not stooping to the level of handholding you through the process of understanding it.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Note that the linked screenshot was taken only 12 hours after my campaign telegram was sent out.

My proposal was not only successful in very quickly gaining approvals, it actually gained those approvals quicker than the recently passed "Commend Kuriko". I'll also add that a counter-campaign telegram was extremely ineffective at removing support for the proposal, which is why the raids were necessary at preventing it from reaching quorum.

I would very strongly argue that if a proposal is to reach quorum that quickly, and with strong enough support that a counter-campaign is largely ineffective, it speaks for the many Delegates who have approved it that they do want to see it voted on.

You'll have to explain your point of view regarding how this is not the case?

It's pretty obvious what I'm getting at, as I have clearly spelled it out for you in the post you just quoted, so you must be intentionally misinterpreting it. If it isn't intentional however, then I'm not stooping to the level of handholding you through the process of understanding it.

My proposal had more support than "Commend Kuriko" during the approval process. The difference here is that this proposal reached quorum because no one interfered with it, ours did not because of the aforementioned Delegate toppling.

I know what you're trying to imply, your logic just doesn't make any sense.

[The New California Republic]

It's pretty obvious what I'm getting at, as I have clearly spelled it out for you in the post you just quoted, so you must be intentionally misinterpreting it. If it isn't intentional however, then I'm not stooping to the level of handholding you through the process of understanding it.

My proposal had more support than "Commend Kuriko" during the approval process. The difference here is that this proposal reached quorum because no one interfered with it, ours did not because of the aforementioned Delegate toppling.

I know what you're trying to imply, your logic just doesn't make any sense.

I really really don't think you do though, as shown by the fact you think I'm trying to imply something when I'm actually not.

[Byrdonia]

If only we could stage a coup somehow. Yes that would work.

[Drop Your Pants]

You lot have a lot to learn about NS. If you want something to change then post some good ideas in technical and encourage discussion on them, not a SC or GP shitting match. If all you want is attention (good or bad) then continue on your current trend just know you'll never achieve any change just brief fame as 'oh that guy is here again'. And then you'll be forgotten.

[Kathol Rift]

You lot have a lot to learn about NS. If you want something to change then post some good ideas in technical and encourage discussion on them, not a SC or GP shitting match. If all you want is attention (good or bad) then continue on your current trend just know you'll never achieve any change just brief fame as 'oh that guy is here again'. And then you'll be forgotten.

Honestly, I think most of shrew’s fame is no more than ‘oh that guy is here again.’ That’s what I think when I see them anyways, I can’t speak for others.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

You lot have a lot to learn about NS. If you want something to change then post some good ideas in technical and encourage discussion on them, not a SC or GP shitting match. If all you want is attention (good or bad) then continue on your current trend just know you'll never achieve any change just brief fame as 'oh that guy is here again'. And then you'll be forgotten.

Funny you mention that...

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=483417

No one seemed particuarly receptive to my proposed changes.

[Astarey]

Skip to the end and start writing proposals advocating armed revolution against the world assembly, please. It sounds fun, doesn't it? You know you want to burn presidential palaces down

[Kanglia]

So, I have a question. IF the WA Elite exists. IF you somehow manage to get this to quorum...

You need the WA Elite to vote to condemn themselves for this to pass. Is this just another guaranteed failure for CCD to be angry about and not shut up about for months?

That is correct, I'm aware our chances of this passing are realistically slim. Definitely non-zero, but slim.

No, if it fails, this is not something we're going complain about - we just want to see it fairly get to vote (as it should have done five days ago without interference from five GCRs). It is very clear that the common nations and regions of NS want to see this voted on.

This might be the biggest load of bullshit I've seen on NSGP ever lmao. A: WHEN this doe not pass(assuming you by some stroke of luck reach quorum with it) in all reality it will be used as something to complain about when it doesn't pass for being fundamentally idiotic.
B: As previously mentioned, it is nowhere remotely near clear that the "common nations and regions" want this to be voted on. All I'm seeing is a bunch of sore losers pissed off for losing an UNIMPORTANT April Fool's campaign and are trying to take it out on GCR's.

Ultimately I look at it like this: Don't want people to fash-bash you either in a raid or through WA proposals or some silly joke election? Pretty simple, don't spend you're time running around with fash, being fash, or anything else. As was mentioned in the CCN's NSGP thread, the guise of "IC RP" by recruiters to real life fash movements is known to have happened here. Your dog whistles that are so espoused by fascists in reality aren't going to work here.

Now that I've gotten my gripes with your reasoning behind the proposal out of the way. This one is just as silly as the Condemn This Game proposal was, and I'm of the opinion the C/C's should only be used for players really good at doing good things for the community at large, or being really good at being really bad.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

This might be the biggest load of bullshit I've seen on NSGP ever lmao. A: WHEN this doe not pass(assuming you by some stroke of luck reach quorum with it) in all reality it will be used as something to complain about when it doesn't pass for being fundamentally idiotic.
B: As previously mentioned, it is nowhere remotely near clear that the "common nations and regions" want this to be voted on. All I'm seeing is a bunch of sore losers pissed off for losing an UNIMPORTANT April Fool's campaign and are trying to take it out on GCR's.

See my previous post:

It isn't "very clear" at all. Fucking nonsense.

I haven’t heard anybody other than you and a few other Jocospor fanboys say that they want to see this voted on or that they want to destroy the WA Elite. If you want to say it’s very clear that people want to see this voted on, you’ll need to pull some actual evidence out instead of just expecting us to believe it.

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:

Ultimately I look at it like this: Don't want people to fash-bash you either in a raid or through WA proposals or some silly joke election? Pretty simple, don't spend you're time running around with fash, being fash, or anything else. As was mentioned in the CCN's NSGP thread, the guise of "IC RP" by recruiters to real life fash movements is known to have happened here. Your dog whistles that are so espoused by fascists in reality aren't going to work here.

CCD is not a fascist region.

Now that I've gotten my gripes with your reasoning behind the proposal out of the way. This one is just as silly as the Condemn This Game proposal was, and I'm of the opinion the C/C's should only be used for players really good at doing good things for the community at large, or being really good at being really bad.

Emphasis mine, applies perfectly to the WA Elite.

[Rost Dreadnorramus]

I'll support this when it comes to vote.

[Drop Your Pants]

Funny you mention that...

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=483417

No one seemed particuarly receptive to my proposed changes.

Because you referred to your own region and how it affects you. Posts in Technical gain more traction if they help the game, not just you. This whole proposal is your region feeling hard done by. If you truly want to change sections of the game then do so without the regional tag, do it as a player. Meaningless SC proposals will do sweet feck all in the grand scheme of things, this'll be forgotten next month.

[The Pharcyde]

Funny you mention that...

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=483417

No one seemed particuarly receptive to my proposed changes.

Because you referred to your own region and how it affects you. Posts in Technical gain more traction if they help the game, not just you. This whole proposal is your region feeling hard done by. If you truly want to change sections of the game then do so without the regional tag, do it as a player. Meaningless SC proposals will do sweet feck all in the grand scheme of things, this'll be forgotten next month.

And meaningful SC proposals arguably do sweet feck all as well!

[The New California Republic]

Funny you mention that...

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=482132
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=483417

No one seemed particuarly receptive to my proposed changes.

Because you referred to your own region and how it affects you. Posts in Technical gain more traction if they help the game, not just you. This whole proposal is your region feeling hard done by. If you truly want to change sections of the game then do so without the regional tag, do it as a player. Meaningless SC proposals will do sweet feck all in the grand scheme of things, this'll be forgotten next month.

Another person hitting the nail on the head. CCD please take note, even if you haven't listened to the other dozen or so people telling you the exact same thing.

[Atheris]

Ah, right, I forgot about those guys.

Still, kinda fucked that like 0.3% of people control the entire WA. But, hey, to each their own. What exactly happened in the elections? I haven't payed much attention to anything outside of memes and coronavirus recently.

Jocospor ran in the the April Fool election that when you win it don't have any power. He was able to in round 3, and he was close to Valentine Z for only a few votes. Then the region tag with [region-tag=]Anti-Fascist[/region-tag] don't like to see a fascist candidate going to the next round, so they switch their vote to Val Z. In the end, Jocospor end up with short 26 votes, so he go on full rage and become salty and all that stuff.

Then, still salty about the position that have NO POWER, he wrote this resolution.

Now I am going to show that the WA Elite don't have that much strength in the WA:
All the so called superdelegate (McMastedonia, Aumeltopia, Marrabuk, Imperium Anglorum, Kuriko, East Durthang,...) : have a total votes of 4707 votes. All the active WA member which is not a delegate have a total of 5813 votes. All the small delegate account for 3335 vote. Which the current WA resolution, the 'elite' only account for 1/3 of the vote. Furthermore, they all have different belief and ideology, so their vote is often splitted. But they have one common goal: to destroy the fascist. Because of this, CCD accused the anti-fascist of 'elitist' and trying to do something that benefit their own.

Hope this help

Ah, thank you! I didn't know it didn't have any power, haha. Yeah, that helps a lot. Thanks!

[Aumeltopia]

So, um... you want to condemn a group of people because they use the massive power they hold to make decisions unscrupulously without following the will of the general populace.

Couldn’t we just call this proposal Condemn... Confederation... of Corrupt Dictators?

[Syberis]

So, um... you want to condemn a group of people because they use the massive power they hold to make decisions unscrupulously without following the will of the general populace.

Couldn’t we just call this proposal Condemn... Confederation... of Corrupt Dictators?

You should talk, you hold massive power in your region, which you can use to mercilessly quash any WA resistance. TSP truly is an enemy of democracy by maintaining the position of delegate in a GCR.

Or some such horsecrap.

[Kanglia]

So, um... you want to condemn a group of people because they use the massive power they hold to make decisions unscrupulously without following the will of the general populace.

Couldn’t we just call this proposal Condemn... Confederation... of Corrupt Dictators?

shhhhhh that's what they're looking for

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

It isn't "very clear" at all. Fucking nonsense.

I haven’t heard anybody other than you and a few other Jocospor fanboys say that they want to see this voted on or that they want to destroy the WA Elite. If you want to say it’s very clear that people want to see this voted on, you’ll need to pull some actual evidence out instead of just expecting us to believe it.

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:

Ah yes, 6.3% of the regions in NS wishes to vote this on. Totally a majority. Totally

[ShrewLlamaLand]

If you actually read through this thread, you'd see my post here: viewtopic.php?p=36954898#p36954898

This was before the first set of raids; the proposal would have easily made quorum otherwise:

Ah yes, 6.3% of the regions in NS wishes to vote this on. Totally a majority. Totally

Remind me what proportion of regions need to approve a proposal for it to get to vote?

[Sail Nation]

I hate to use a cliche here but this is just a game. Actions here are of little significance. On one hand, why should it be so important to stop the delegate voting system in place if it doesn't matter? Also, why should the pro-WA factions be trying to prevent said proposal from reaching the voting floor. We should all take a step back and see the bigger picture.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Ah yes, 6.3% of the regions in NS wishes to vote this on. Totally a majority. Totally

Remind me what proportion of regions need to approve a proposal for it to get to vote?

IF we are to look at this from a statistical view, 6% is just a small number in comparison to the 94% other nations. There is no proof to declare a majority of nations want this to be passed.

[Tinhampton]

Remind me what proportion of regions need to approve a proposal for it to get to vote?

IF we are to look at this from a statistical view, 6% is just a small number in comparison to the 94% other nations. There is no proof to declare a majority of nations want this to be passed.

Never - to my awareness - have a majority of all WA Delegates approved any proposal while it was still in queue. This one couldn't even get past 50% of the required quorum in the end ;P

[ShrewLlamaLand]

IF we are to look at this from a statistical view, 6% is just a small number in comparison to the 94% other nations. There is no proof to declare a majority of nations want this to be passed.

Never - to my awareness - have a majority of all WA Delegates approved any proposal while it was still in queue. This one couldn't even get past 50% of the required quorum in the end ;P

Woah I wonder what caused that?

This proposal will be resubmitted in the next few days.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Never - to my awareness - have a majority of all WA Delegates approved any proposal while it was still in queue. This one couldn't even get past 50% of the required quorum in the end ;P

Woah I wonder what caused that?

This proposal will be resubmitted in the next few days.

Challenging the powerful 1% often does that Shrew. Never dare to stage a revolution if you do not have the power of the people or the support of others in power.