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Re: Condemn Kuriko

Postby Yohannes » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:49 pm

Former Delegate and Guardian Bhang Bhang Duc was right

Kuriko is an upstanding citizen of the community. There is a commend Kuriko proposal somewhere in the Security Council. We will support that, not this. Against

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:49 pm

Haruhi Japan wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Wrong on both counts. It’s not unethical, and merely being legal does not discount condemnability. Again


You're right, I should have restated that and said I find it unethical.

How is "a little political fun" to keep fascists out unethical?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:52 pm

Haruhi Japan wrote:You're right, I should have restated that and said I find it unethical.

Is forming a voting bloc to keep out someone whose region has repeatedly tried to self-commend and also take over TNP actually unethical tho?
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Postby Haruhi Japan » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Haruhi Japan wrote:You're right, I should have restated that and said I find it unethical.

How is "a little political fun" to keep fascists out unethical?

Well I don't find it unethical with a little context, but without it you have to admit that it does seem suspicious. Luckily, as you stated, I'm pretty sure it was just "a little political fun" to keep the fascists out which are Kuriko's enemies.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Can you put the draft in a box to make it more clear that it's your draft?

Also I don't really see the point of condemning Kuriko over an April Fools election.
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Postby Haruhi Japan » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Haruhi Japan wrote:You're right, I should have restated that and said I find it unethical.

Is forming a voting bloc to keep out someone whose region has repeatedly tried to self-commend and also take over TNP actually unethical tho?

What is wrong with self-commending one's region?
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Postby Haruhi Japan » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:57 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Also I don't really see the point of condemning Kuriko over an April Fools election.

Agreed.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:59 pm

Haruhi Japan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Is forming a voting bloc to keep out someone whose region has repeatedly tried to self-commend and also take over TNP actually unethical tho?

What is wrong with self-commending one's region?

You probably aren't aware of this, but self-commend attempts are frowned upon. The most notorious being Auralia's attempt at a self-commend a few years ago.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:02 pm

Nothing illegal happened here. This was not rigging at all. It was simple strategic voting on the part of many who opposed Jocospor and wanted other candidates more than him. A very poor proposal that reeks of simply being a bitter lashing out over the fact people do not like Jocospor and the CCD and decided to vote in a way to knock him out of the race(a method of voting that is very common and perfectly ethical.)
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Postby Twobagger » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:09 pm

Haruhi Japan wrote:What is wrong with self-commending one's region?

It's just seen as poor form. Not illegal, just bad taste. Practically, if you can't get someone outside your own region to sing its praises, then perhaps your region really doesn't merit a commendation from the World Assembly.

Regarding the draft:
It seems like the draft in question is upset that Kuriko (allegedly) engaged in tactical voting in order to get what she wanted and deny one of her rivals a spot in the final round of the GenSec election. In short, even if she did exactly what the draft claims she did, this seems like garden-variety politics in a game about playing politics. Congratulations and well played to Kuriko, so sorry that Joco and co. got outmaneuvered again, etc.
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Postby Haruhi Japan » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:10 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Haruhi Japan wrote:What is wrong with self-commending one's region?

You probably aren't aware of this, but self-commend attempts are frowned upon. The most notorious being Auralia's attempt at a self-commend a few years ago.

I guess I will never fully understand how the WA works but I can try. Thanks for telling me why its frowned upon! :bow:
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:11 pm

Twobagger wrote:
Haruhi Japan wrote:What is wrong with self-commending one's region?

It's just seen as poor form. Not illegal, just bad taste. Practically, if you can't get someone outside your own region to sing its praises, then perhaps your region really doesn't merit a commendation from the World Assembly.

Regarding the draft:
It seems like the draft in question is upset that Kuriko (allegedly) engaged in tactical voting in order to get what she wanted and deny one of her rivals a spot in the final round of the GenSec election. In short, even if she did exactly what the draft claims she did, this seems like garden-variety politics in a game about playing politics. Congratulations and well played to Kuriko, so sorry that Joco and co. got outmaneuvered again, etc.

The complaints voiced by the author of the draft are just plain politicking and has nothing to do with vote rigging. That in itself is no reason to have this condemnation go forward.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:15 pm

Haruhi Japan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You probably aren't aware of this, but self-commend attempts are frowned upon. The most notorious being Auralia's attempt at a self-commend a few years ago.

I guess I will never fully understand how the WA works but I can try. Thanks for telling me why its frowned upon! :bow:

It's basically because the actual intent of a commend is for others to recognise achievement/s by bestowing it on someone else, and so self-commending is in bad taste.

Hence why the formation of a voting bloc to keep out people who have repeatedly tried to self-commend is legitimate.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:17 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Haruhi Japan wrote:I guess I will never fully understand how the WA works but I can try. Thanks for telling me why its frowned upon! :bow:

It's basically because the actual intent of a commend is for others to recognise achievement/s by bestowing it on someone else, and so self-commending is in bad taste.

Hence why the formation of a voting bloc to keep out people who have repeatedly tried to self-commend is legitimate.

I know self-condemnations like Marrabuk's also got shot down for the same reason.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:46 pm

OP - your proposal needs some significant work on grammar, structure and formatting, but fundamentally I support what you're going for here.

Once you've tided it up, you're free to pop into the CCD and gain a couple of endorsements to submit it yourself.

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Haruhi Japan wrote:You're right, I should have restated that and said I find it unethical.

Is forming a voting bloc to keep out someone whose region has repeatedly tried to self-commend and also take over TNP actually unethical tho?

Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing unethical about our attempt to take over TNP. It's just politics. If TNP can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.

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Haruhi Japan wrote:What is wrong with self-commending one's region?

You probably aren't aware of this, but self-commend attempts are frowned upon. The most notorious being Auralia's attempt at a self-commend a few years ago.

This is also verifiably wrong. Our self-commend attempts were a large part of what led to our shiny Liberation badge. :hug:
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Postby Praeceps » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:23 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing unethical about our attempt to take over TNP. It's just politics. If TNP can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.

Real funny from a group that complains whenever politics don't go in their favour. Maybe you guys shouldn't be playing a political game. ;)
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:54 pm

Proposal very choppy, many unecessary words and grammar slightly off but against as it's just April fools event and the proposal condemnation would not warrant sufficient weight.

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Postby McMasterdonia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:20 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Vdara wrote:Don’t need to, I’ve already seen it.
Again, it’s nothing illegal.

Then even if it is "illegal" the security council at least upholds a threshold of morality

Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing immoral about Kuriko’s campaign for SecGen. It's just politics. If Joco/CCD can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.
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Postby The Sakhalinsk Empire » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:31 pm

I will give my honest criticisms about this. I am not taking sides in the debate, just my criticisms on the draft itself.

The security council being the organ of the world assembly responsible for condemning and with that, punishing nations and regions for corrupt and deplorable actions no matter the background or position of influence within the World Assembly and World;

There's nothing necessarily wrong with this, but it feels awkward at some parts. I suggest rewriting it a little.

Is Aware of actions taken by Kuriko against the nation of Jocospor during the recent General Secretary election

What actions? I know what they are, but many others don't, so at least outline what exactly happened. And according to CCD it wasn't just Kuriko, so you would need to repeat this for each member involved. Also, I suggest that the "is aware" part be replaced by "Noting" or "Seeing".

Is Also Aware that the position of General Secretary holds immense power within this organization

Second sentence of the above. It's also better to move this before the above statement.

Appalled by the fact that a nation would coordinate an attempt to keep another nation out of the final general election thereby falsely representing peoples opinions in the general election

I guess that's fair. Don't forget your commas and apostrophes, though.

Further Appalled by Kuriko’s telegrams to other nations requesting that they redistribute their votes for the other candidates of Valentine Z, McMasterdonia, and Caelapes in order to keep Jocospor out of the Final general election round.

Replaced appalled with shocked. The rest is okay.

Hereby Condemns the nation of Kuriko

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:09 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:
Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Then even if it is "illegal" the security council at least upholds a threshold of morality

Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing immoral about Kuriko’s campaign for SecGen. It's just politics. If Joco/CCD can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.

It's funny you chose this line as an attempt to mock me when my own quote was originally based off Kuriko's in the CCD gameplay thread:

Kuriko wrote:Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.


Regardless, for all our flaws, the CCD has never interfered in an external election.

Now, maybe this will change in say, early May, but for now we've never interfered in a foreign democracy. How is it that TNP can't say the same?
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Postby Praeceps » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:28 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing immoral about Kuriko’s campaign for SecGen. It's just politics. If Joco/CCD can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.

It's funny you chose this line as an attempt to mock me when my own quote was originally based off Kuriko's in the CCD gameplay thread:

Kuriko wrote:Just gonna say, asking our supporters to support someone else in order to keep a 3rd party out of the general elections isn't vote rigging, it's politics. If you can't handle politics don't play a political simulator.


Regardless, for all our flaws, the CCD has never interfered in an external election.

Now, maybe this will change in say, early May, but for now we've never interfered in a foreign democracy. How is it that TNP can't say the same?

Not for lack of trying you haven't. ;)
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:15 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Regardless, for all our flaws, the CCD has never interfered in an external election. Now, maybe this will change in say, early May, but for now we've never interfered in a foreign democracy. How is it that TNP can't say the same?

And guess when TNP's next election happens to be? :roll:

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:19 am

Tinhampton wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Regardless, for all our flaws, the CCD has never interfered in an external election. Now, maybe this will change in say, early May, but for now we've never interfered in a foreign democracy. How is it that TNP can't say the same?

And guess when TNP's next election happens to be? :roll:

If this isn't a case of "Ikea Rike fucked up last time so we're just going for Plan B," I don't know what the fuck this is

I don't get what you could possibly be implying?
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:26 am

Opposed 100%. (This is by the same guy who opposed my Repeal of Liberate TEP because he thought that a Liberation would make a raid on the land of caek more opportune.)

SLL can find out what I was trying to imply in another thread designated specifically for CCD-related discussion. ;)
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