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Postby Kuriko » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:14 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Kuriko wrote:I know you can't respond after your forum ban, but if you want to help the OP with this be my guest :) I'll just sit here silently laughing, and if it passes I'll laugh even harder.

I suppose it's good to know I've gained such a following that the WA Sec-Gen now follows my forum posts around like a puppy.



Chavandriclanderpleistan wrote:Even if Joco had made it into the top five, previous round results indicated that an actual win for Joco was extremely implausible. This fact should mostly render the points of "rigging" as moot, whether or not it was truly the case.

I mean, Codemn a nation for allegedly keeping someone out of round 4, when they had already lost the previous 3 by a far margin? This is the kind of petty energy we want in the SC!

It'll be a good resolution when you put more deliberate jokes in it, to match the circumstances! I only laughed at the serious parts this time round, sorry.

As campaign manager for Jocospor 2020, I also did some statistical analysis. We predicted seeing a big uplift in the final round as many smaller nations couldn't enter - we would have moped up almost all of the anti-establishment vote. Of course, it was still highly unlikely we would have won, but against four candidates all splitting votes and a vote rigging scandal to report on with no time for the WA Elite to spin it... we would have had a shot.

Jocospor was heavily gaining each round, as detailed in my dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

From my own data (not shown there), at the end of each round Jocospor had:
Round 1 - 150 votes
Round 2 - 240 votes
Round 3 - 330 votes (with a late campaign telegram)

Again, as campaign manager, my best estimate at the time would have been around 600-800 votes in the General but there's a lot of variance there. It's very possible we could have won.



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Appalled by the fact that a nation would coordinate other nations to keep the nation of Jocospor from the general election

That's just how nations voted tactically. Tactical voting isn't against the rules and encouraging it certainly isn't.

Staging a coup of TNP isn't against the rules. It's a tactical takeover.



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Auralia didn't endorse Jocospor, either. In fact, his running mate apparently asked others to vote for anyone but Jocospor?

Either way, Jocospor decried Auralia as part of the WA Elite, so I think your list of friends amongst the top Sec-Gen candidates is limited to... just Jocospor, basically.

This is correct, United Massachusetts endorsed 'anyone but Jocospor' while Auralia refused to endorse any candidate, as shown in: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

Auralia is not part of the WA Elite, but they did enable the WA Elite to rig the election without stepping in to help prevent this... so I can't really say I respect their position either.

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Far be it for me to put words in Auralia's mouth, but I'm left with the impression that Auralia prefers to not hitch their wagon to any of the feuding factions here.

This seems to be my interpretation.

Sorry to burst your bubble Shrew, but I don't follow you around the forums or else I'd be posting in your GP thread. You don't make much sense, do you? Stop saying people who know what's going on are following you around like a puppy, it's degrading and very very rude. I'm also saving this post for posterity, since you finally admit to trying to coup TNP before and possibly in the future. If you weren't in for a world of hurt before, you will be now after this post.
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Postby The Gilded Star » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:16 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:It's very possible we could have won.


Being 100% honest? I don't think Kuriko or TACLC could've been beaten. Hell, TACLC got handily defeated by Kuriko even with the backing of McMasterdonia's considerable influence. The others? Maybe. Caelapes had strong pushback from the anti-communist community, and McMasterdonia (before he joined TACLC) and Valentine Z splitting TNP votes gave them a disadvantage. I think had McM and VZ consolidated together, they probably could have secured 3rd place, but they had other goals (McM wanted to give Kuriko competition for 1st and did not want to detract from VZ's campaign, from what I understand).

In the end, though, I think the vast majority of people didn't care too greatly who actually won as long as it wasn't Jocospor (and, to a lesser extent, a communist). Thus why people were so quick and agreeable to reallocate their votes in a way that kept Jocospor out.

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:I still think it is hypocritical to get mad at the CCD's strategic WA voting blocs (both things that you have called this scandal) in TNP but you think it is ok to do the same in the Secretary General election.


It's disingenuous to imply that trying to coup and vandalize/destroy a community is comparable to denying someone a participation trophy because they're broadly unpopular. Even hypothesizing both things as worthy of condemnation, one is a degree more severe than the other.

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:18 pm

Kuriko wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble Shrew, but I don't follow you around the forums or else I'd be posting in your GP thread. You don't make much sense, do you? Stop saying people who know what's going on are following you around like a puppy, it's degrading and very very rude. I'm also saving this post for posterity, since you finally admit to trying to coup TNP before and possibly in the future. If you weren't in for a world of hurt before, you will be now after this post.

You need to have been on the gameplay thread or you wouldn't have seen that ruling. I wouldn't have commented on it if it wasn't true.

Also, yeah, not likely.
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:21 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:You need to have been on the gameplay thread or you wouldn't have seen that ruling.

Word of mouth doesn't exist in your reality, huh?
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:26 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble Shrew, but I don't follow you around the forums or else I'd be posting in your GP thread. You don't make much sense, do you? Stop saying people who know what's going on are following you around like a puppy, it's degrading and very very rude. I'm also saving this post for posterity, since you finally admit to trying to coup TNP before and possibly in the future. If you weren't in for a world of hurt before, you will be now after this post.

You need to have been on the gameplay thread or you wouldn't have seen that ruling. I wouldn't have commented on it if it wasn't true.

Also, yeah, not likely.

I actually heard about your ban from a friend of mine on discord, not by looking in your thread. Also, a little FYI? I'm the WA Delegate of XKI and head of Foreign Affairs for my region, it's my job to keep up with the happenings in Game Play. The world doesn't revolve around you or CCD, now this conversation needs to end because it's hitting thread jacking territory. This thread is about trying to condemn me for my awesomeness, remember? :p
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:11 pm

Kyundao wrote:
This Security Council;

Recognizes the actions of Kuriko during the recent World Assembly Secretary General election

Is Aware of the power that the position of Secretary General Holds

Appalled by the fact that a nation would coordinate other nations to keep the nation of Jocospor from the general election

Believing that such corrupt actions should be grounds for condemnation

Hereby condemns Kuriko


Considering the CCD are still vehemently salty over the fair and transparent SecGen election, this resolution from Loconianiccurelliver is nothing more than tit for tat, which is illegal if I recall correctly.

I sense fear in you young Padawan. Fun fact a proposal isn't illegal just because you think someones opinions are salty.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:13 pm

Also quick secondary the nation that posted this is a 10000 islands nation. I guess the Kuriko fanboys are still worried about their beloved foreign minister.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:15 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Kyundao wrote:
Considering the CCD are still vehemently salty over the fair and transparent SecGen election, this resolution from Loconianiccurelliver is nothing more than tit for tat, which is illegal if I recall correctly.

I sense fear in you young Padawan. Fun fact a proposal isn't illegal just because you think someones opinions are salty.

I don't know what you're smelling, but judging by the responses this "proposal" has gotten so far, I'm doubting it's fear, of any kind.
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:17 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Kyundao wrote:
Considering the CCD are still vehemently salty over the fair and transparent SecGen election, this resolution from Loconianiccurelliver is nothing more than tit for tat, which is illegal if I recall correctly.

I sense fear in you young Padawan. Fun fact a proposal isn't illegal just because you think someones opinions are salty.

Please don't resort to personal attacks.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:17 pm

Juristonia wrote:I don't know what you're smelling, but judging by the responses this "proposal" has gotten so far, I'm doubting it's fear, of any kind.

what I am trying to say here is that it is petty to appeal for a proposal to be illegal in front of the two mods that approved it legal.
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Postby Kathol Rift » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:19 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Juristonia wrote:I don't know what you're smelling, but judging by the responses this "proposal" has gotten so far, I'm doubting it's fear, of any kind.

what I am trying to say here is that it is petty to appeal for a proposal to be illegal in front of the two mods that approved it legal.

“Legal” and “quality” are two different things. Legal it may be, quality it is not. I say we just ignore this thread and this proposal and watch it never make it to the voting stage.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:23 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:“Legal” and “quality” are two different things. Legal it may be, quality it is not.

Who cares about quality if it gets the job done.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:31 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Kathol Rift wrote:“Legal” and “quality” are two different things. Legal it may be, quality it is not.

Who cares about quality if it gets the job done.

That's the thing though, it really won't, so it really has nothing going for it.
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Postby Balaslandia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:34 pm

Dumb proposal. against.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:48 pm

Thing is, SC proposals title are the operating clause so by default it works.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:57 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Kathol Rift wrote:“Legal” and “quality” are two different things. Legal it may be, quality it is not.

Who cares about quality if it gets the job done.

It needs to have some semblance of quality if it is going to passed. This ¨proposal¨ is has the same amount of quality as sandpaper toilet paper.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:57 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Thing is, SC proposals title are the operating clause so by default it works.

Not really. An operating clause alone isn't what is needed for an SC proposal to "work"; sure, it might be in the most narrowest technicality-wise sense possible, but nobody is really going to put much stock in that level of nitpicking being made to claim that a proposal "works".
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:59 pm

Also this
Ransium wrote:
Kyundao wrote:Considering the CCD are still vehemently salty over the fair and transparent SecGen election, this resolution from Loconianiccurelliver is nothing more than tit for tat, which is illegal if I recall correctly.


Tit-for-tat refers specifically to a commendation/condemnation that is solely due to another nation’s commendation/condemnation and provides no other valid arguments. It is not a relevant rule here. See here: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat
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Postby Kathol Rift » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:00 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Also this
Ransium wrote:
Tit-for-tat refers specifically to a commendation/condemnation that is solely due to another nation’s commendation/condemnation and provides no other valid arguments. It is not a relevant rule here. See here: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat

Once again, legal, but still not good enough to get passed. If you want it to pass, you will need to put a lot more effort into this, and this is coming from a person who has never written a proposal in their life.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:01 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Also this
Ransium wrote:
Tit-for-tat refers specifically to a commendation/condemnation that is solely due to another nation’s commendation/condemnation and provides no other valid arguments. It is not a relevant rule here. See here: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat

So? Just because the proposal doesn't break one rule says absolutely fuck all about anything.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:08 pm

You see while there is a disproportionate amount of votes going towards larger delegates regions there is also a disproportionately large amount of regions with maybe 2 nations but one is a delegate so they have as much power towards approving proposals as McMasterdonia. And those regions couldn't are general more likely to be against WA elitism due to them being the primarily effected parties in all of that.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:11 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:You see while there is a disproportionate amount of votes going towards larger delegates regions there is also a disproportionately large amount of regions with maybe 2 nations but one is a delegate so they have as much power towards approving proposals as McMasterdonia. And those regions couldn't are general more likely to be against WA elitism due to them being the primarily effected parties in all of that.

This is just word salad.
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Postby Kathol Rift » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:11 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:You see while there is a disproportionate amount of votes going towards larger delegates regions there is also a disproportionately large amount of regions with maybe 2 nations but one is a delegate so they have as much power towards approving proposals as McMasterdonia. And those regions couldn't are general more likely to be against WA elitism due to them being the primarily effected parties in all of that.

Pick a lane here. Is this a thread about condemning Kuriko? If it is, write about that, not the WA elite bologna. Is this a thread about that WA elite bologna? If it is, it’s in the wrong forum.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:You see while there is a disproportionate amount of votes going towards larger delegates regions there is also a disproportionately large amount of regions with maybe 2 nations but one is a delegate so they have as much power towards approving proposals as McMasterdonia. And those regions couldn't are general more likely to be against WA elitism due to them being the primarily effected parties in all of that.

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