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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:29 pm

Auralia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You probably aren't aware of this, but self-commend attempts are frowned upon. The most notorious being Auralia's attempt at a self-commend a few years ago.

To the extent that it is "notorious", it is only so because people like you keep bringing it up for no particular reason, more than six years after it happened and long after I apologized for it.

I would appreciate it if you could find a different punching bag at this point. I believe I have served my time.

I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:35 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:This Security Council;

That is the sole line from that proposal ending with a punctuation mark, it ends with a semicolon (instead of a plain old comma), what did the author mean by this?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:40 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Auralia wrote:To the extent that it is "notorious", it is only so because people like you keep bringing it up for no particular reason, more than six years after it happened and long after I apologized for it.

I would appreciate it if you could find a different punching bag at this point. I believe I have served my time.

I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.

Implying the rest of us who don't believe in ridiculous claims about Kuriko rigging the election are elitists... :roll:
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:48 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Auralia wrote:To the extent that it is "notorious", it is only so because people like you keep bringing it up for no particular reason, more than six years after it happened and long after I apologized for it.

I would appreciate it if you could find a different punching bag at this point. I believe I have served my time.

I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.

I don't think that they appreciate being grouped with anti-"WA Elite" crowd though.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:50 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
Auralia wrote:To the extent that it is "notorious", it is only so because people like you keep bringing it up for no particular reason, more than six years after it happened and long after I apologized for it.

I would appreciate it if you could find a different punching bag at this point. I believe I have served my time.

I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.

You don't mind what? This response makes no sense.
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Postby The Gilded Star » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:51 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.


Auralia didn't endorse Jocospor, either. In fact, his running mate apparently asked others to vote for anyone but Jocospor?

Either way, Jocospor decried Auralia as part of the WA Elite, so I think your list of friends amongst the top Sec-Gen candidates is limited to... just Jocospor, basically.

Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:I don't think that they appreciate being grouped with anti-"WA Elite" crowd though.


Far be it for me to put words in Auralia's mouth, but I'm left with the impression that Auralia prefers to not hitch their wagon to any of the feuding factions here.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:20 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Loconianiccurelliver wrote:I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.

You don't mind what? This response makes no sense.

At this point are you running out of ideas or do you not understand idiom. Don't mind means I don't find problem with their actions.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:21 pm

The Gilded Star wrote:Either way, Jocospor decried Auralia as part of the WA Elite, so I think your list of friends amongst the top Sec-Gen candidates is limited to... just Jocospor, basically.

I have different definitions of elite
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:37 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
The Gilded Star wrote:Either way, Jocospor decried Auralia as part of the WA Elite, so I think your list of friends amongst the top Sec-Gen candidates is limited to... just Jocospor, basically.

I have different definitions of elite

Let's hear yours.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:54 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You don't mind what? This response makes no sense.

At this point are you running out of ideas or do you not understand idiom. Don't mind means I don't find problem with their actions.

It really wasn't clear what you meant.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:30 am

Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:45 am

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

Guess who had to go crawling to the CCD to get the necessary endorsements?
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Postby Gorundu » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:16 am

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

When someone is bragging they have 2 endos and that their proposal is legal, you know it's gonna be bad.
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Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

Guess who had to go crawling to the CCD to get the necessary endorsements?

This is becoming a trend, eh?
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:13 am

Congratulations. You have the required amount of endorsements.

Unfortunately your proposal is awful and it's nigh-impossible for it to reach the voting stage.

Try again next time.
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:14 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

Guess who had to go crawling to the CCD to get the necessary endorsements?

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:16 am

Gorundu wrote:
Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

When someone is bragging they have 2 endos and that their proposal is legal, you know it's gonna be bad.

More so when there is only one way that they can get the necessary endorsements...
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:21 am

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:Guess who has enough ends now? (also it is a legal resolution) (also again it would be ironic if Kuriko who is know for writing good SC proposals was condemned by a proposal written badly by a first timer)

You had to beg for CCD to give you endorsements lol. Maybe your next draft should be able commending CCD.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:22 pm

Kuriko wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:OP - your proposal needs some significant work on grammar, structure and formatting, but fundamentally I support what you're going for here.

Once you've tided it up, you're free to pop into the CCD and gain a couple of endorsements to submit it yourself.


Excuse me, this is wrong, there was absolutely nothing unethical about our attempt to take over TNP. It's just politics. If TNP can't take politics they shouldnt be playing a politics simulator game.


This is also verifiably wrong. Our self-commend attempts were a large part of what led to our shiny Liberation badge. :hug:

I know you can't respond after your forum ban, but if you want to help the OP with this be my guest :) I'll just sit here silently laughing, and if it passes I'll laugh even harder.

I suppose it's good to know I've gained such a following that the WA Sec-Gen now follows my forum posts around like a puppy.



Chavandriclanderpleistan wrote:Even if Joco had made it into the top five, previous round results indicated that an actual win for Joco was extremely implausible. This fact should mostly render the points of "rigging" as moot, whether or not it was truly the case.

I mean, Codemn a nation for allegedly keeping someone out of round 4, when they had already lost the previous 3 by a far margin? This is the kind of petty energy we want in the SC!

It'll be a good resolution when you put more deliberate jokes in it, to match the circumstances! I only laughed at the serious parts this time round, sorry.

As campaign manager for Jocospor 2020, I also did some statistical analysis. We predicted seeing a big uplift in the final round as many smaller nations couldn't enter - we would have moped up almost all of the anti-establishment vote. Of course, it was still highly unlikely we would have won, but against four candidates all splitting votes and a vote rigging scandal to report on with no time for the WA Elite to spin it... we would have had a shot.

Jocospor was heavily gaining each round, as detailed in my dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

From my own data (not shown there), at the end of each round Jocospor had:
Round 1 - 150 votes
Round 2 - 240 votes
Round 3 - 330 votes (with a late campaign telegram)

Again, as campaign manager, my best estimate at the time would have been around 600-800 votes in the General but there's a lot of variance there. It's very possible we could have won.



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Appalled by the fact that a nation would coordinate other nations to keep the nation of Jocospor from the general election

That's just how nations voted tactically. Tactical voting isn't against the rules and encouraging it certainly isn't.

Staging a coup of TNP isn't against the rules. It's a tactical takeover.



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Loconianiccurelliver wrote:I don't mind Auralia. Anyone against elitism is my friend.


Auralia didn't endorse Jocospor, either. In fact, his running mate apparently asked others to vote for anyone but Jocospor?

Either way, Jocospor decried Auralia as part of the WA Elite, so I think your list of friends amongst the top Sec-Gen candidates is limited to... just Jocospor, basically.

This is correct, United Massachusetts endorsed 'anyone but Jocospor' while Auralia refused to endorse any candidate, as shown in: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1341953

Auralia is not part of the WA Elite, but they did enable the WA Elite to rig the election without stepping in to help prevent this... so I can't really say I respect their position either.

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Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:I don't think that they appreciate being grouped with anti-"WA Elite" crowd though.


Far be it for me to put words in Auralia's mouth, but I'm left with the impression that Auralia prefers to not hitch their wagon to any of the feuding factions here.

This seems to be my interpretation.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:27 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Again, as campaign manager, my best estimate at the time would have been around 600-800 votes in the General but there's a lot of variance there. It's very possible we could have won.

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:34 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Again, as campaign manager, my best estimate at the time would have been around 600-800 votes in the General but there's a lot of variance there. It's very possible we could have won.

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With hard evidence of the other top five candidates engaging in blatant vote rigging? I mean it didn't work for Bernie... but I think there definitely would have been a small chance of pulling it off.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:36 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Image

With hard evidence of the other top five candidates engaging in blatant vote rigging? I mean it didn't work for Bernie... but I think there definitely would have been a small chance of pulling it off.

Ditto the image I just posted.
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Postby Loconianiccurelliver » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:55 pm

I still think it is hypocritical to get mad at the CCD's strategic WA voting blocs (both things that you have called this scandal) in TNP but you think it is ok to do the same in the Secretary General election.
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:07 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Image

With hard evidence of the other top five candidates engaging in blatant vote rigging? I mean it didn't work for Bernie... but I think there definitely would have been a small chance of pulling it off.

News flash, asking our voters to vote for someone else isn't vote rigging. News at 11.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:13 pm

Loconianiccurelliver wrote:I still think it is hypocritical to get mad at the CCD's strategic WA voting blocs (both things that you have called this scandal) in TNP but you think it is ok to do the same in the Secretary General election.

Only you are applying those terms to the CCD's piss-poor attempt at a coup against TNP, nobody else is.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:14 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:(Image)

With hard evidence of the other top five candidates engaging in blatant vote rigging? I mean it didn't work for Bernie... but I think there definitely would have been a small chance of pulling it off.

Vote rigging does not mean asking your supporters to vote for other candidates.
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