[PROPOSED] Repeal "Liberate Confederation Corrupt Dictators"

[Kleptocratic Maniacs]

Due to fair criticisms, the proposal has been revised and resubmitted.

This Council,

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue; and

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

FURTHER BELIEVING that the primary purpose of the penalizing power of the Security Council is to resolve international disputes and prevent nations and regions from engaging in disruptive activity, not to settle philosophical debates;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, the liberation of the region was entirely ineffective, and the resolution SC#263 thus served only to set a bad and dangerous precedent;

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions that may affect other nations or regions, and not with a nation’s opposition or adherence to a particular ideology;

Hereby

REPEALS SC#263 “Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.”

Here is the original:

This Council,

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue;

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, and set a bad and dangerous precedent;

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions, not ideology;

Hereby

REPEALS SC#263 “Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.”

[Boda]

This Council,

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue;

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, and set a bad and dangerous precedent;

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions, not ideology;

Hereby

REPEALS SC#263 “Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.”

Can u not.

[Tinhampton]

"Location: Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"

Yeah, sure

[Zeritae]

I'd support this, but I don't know how to vote for NS proposals

[The Xaviet Empire]

"Location: Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"

Yeah, sure

Those Emojis must be the most ANNOYING sheiße ever

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Lmao even the author sounds fed up with all the WA bullsh*t

[Tinhampton]

I'd support this, but I don't know how to vote for NS proposals

Firstly, wait for the original author to submit it, and then - almost always - to send out campaign telegrams to WA Delegates urging them to approve it. If 6% of them (or 72 Delegates, at this point in time) approve it, it goes to vote at the next update, which is at noon and midnight on the USA's East Coast... or 5am/5pm here in Britain. Once it reaches vote, you can vote on it for a continuous (contiguous?) four-day period! This applies to all proposals not just this one

You are always welcome to offer comment, criticisms, and quibbles on other people's drafts in the World Assembly forums.

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"Location: Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"

Yeah, sure

Those Emojis must be the most ANNOYING sheiße ever

But I like rolling my eyes - it's almost therapeutic!

[South Reinkalistan]

Sigh, okay: I tried this back when I was a naive lackey. Let me go through your proposal and why it's not gonna fly.

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

Cool. You acknowledge the Confederation did a stupid thing. Don't see how it helps your case.

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue;

I mean... that wasn't the only thing they did that earned them the liberation. This point is meaningless.

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

See above.

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

Yes. Because fascism is bad. I don't see this as a reason to repeal the liberation.

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

Uh, no, nice try. And there's no precedent in the SC, to my recollection. Not to mention SC#38 didn't repeal it on an ideological basis, it just thought another condemnation was warranted that addressed more faults. I don't believe this came to fruition, though. Still a moot point.

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

Who's asserting that it requires these "extraordinarily bad actions"? You? Since when were you an authority on this?

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

Yes. I think it was symbolic/to get the CCD if it CTEs or Joco is DEATed by the mods, iirc.

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, and set a bad and dangerous precedent;

Today I learned that opposing fascism through the world assembly set a "bad and dangerous precedent".

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions, not ideology;

This line is fluff and has no substance.

You aren't a bad writer. Stop wasting it on stuff that won't work, like this. The Security Council will not pass this.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Fascism bad - self promoting, spammy fascists even worse. Opposed.

[Lord Dominator]

shrugs
Take a hint maybe - all previous attempts to repeal failed (obviously), no matter who submitted them.

[ArenaC]

This Council,

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue;

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, and set a bad and dangerous precedent;

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions, not ideology;

Hereby

REPEALS SC#263 “Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.”

It is not allowed to work— because nobody likes it. SC263 is to stand permanently.

[The Order of the Holy Inquisitors]

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

Given that your nation was founded a mere month ago, I take it you missed some of the happenings at the start of the year that warrant the preservation of this Liberation. The Confederation had been taking strides to infiltrate and eventually overthrow the government of the North Pacific, though the execution of this was poor at best. Pretending an ideology is one thing. Going out of your way to facilitate infiltration is already grounds for more than a liberation. There's much more misconduct I could share with you, but I digress.

While the writing of the original Liberation may not be perfect, the fact that the Confederation continued to interfere in other regions means that it's standing must be maintained.

[Kleptocratic Maniacs]

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

Given that your nation was founded a mere month ago, I take it you missed some of the happenings at the start of the year that warrant the preservation of this Liberation. The Confederation had been taking strides to infiltrate and eventually overthrow the government of the North Pacific, though the execution of this was poor at best. Pretending an ideology is one thing. Going out of your way to facilitate infiltration is already grounds for more than a liberation. There's much more misconduct I could share with you, but I digress.

While the writing of the original Liberation may not be perfect, the fact that the Confederation continued to interfere in other regions means that it's standing must be maintained.

If you want to liberate the Confederation over that, feel free. Regardless, this particular resolution was poorly written and sets a bad precedent. I’m not objecting to a replacement. No one in the Confederation actually cares that much. You’ll note that ShrewLlamaLand was the first delegate to approve the recently proposed condemnation. They view it as a badge of honor. The only thing I care about is proper justification for the sake of future legislation.

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

This proposal is schizophrenic, on one hand it calls measures ineffectual and on the other it calls them too harsh. You should chose one way or the other.

I would support repeal on the ground that CCD should be really left alone in its irrelevance, so that it stops playing the martyr of "WA Elite".

[Kleptocratic Maniacs]

Sigh, okay: I tried this back when I was a naive lackey. Let me go through your proposal and why it's not gonna fly.

ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of propriety or respect for this Council exercised by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators in its attempt to commend itself; but

Cool. You acknowledge the Confederation did a stupid thing. Don't see how it helps your case.

It’s called framing the issue. Look it up.

DISMAYED at the use of such a harsh penalty as liberation to address the issue;

I mean... that wasn't the only thing they did that earned them the liberation. This point is meaningless.

It’s the only thing they did that was mentioned by the resolution itself, which is what I’m objecting to.

BELIEVING that such an action, while silly and disrespectful, merited, at most, a warning;

See above.

See above. Also, framing.

NOTING that, aside from self-commendation, the resolution at hand mentions no other actions taken by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators as justification for liberation, but rather takes issue with the ideology of the region or of those regions with which it associates;

Yes. Because fascism is bad. I don't see this as a reason to repeal the liberation.

Nations can run themselves as they please. Upholding fascism is not disruptive to other nations or regions. Ideological debates should not spill over into international law, particularly in the Security Council. Leave the Security Council for international disputes, not bashing nations for running themselves differently from how you run yours.

PUTTING ASIDE the debate over whether condemnations, much less liberations, can be justified by the ideology of the condemned nation or region alone (see SC#38);

Uh, no, nice try. And there's no precedent in the SC, to my recollection. Not to mention SC#38 didn't repeal it on an ideological basis, it just thought another condemnation was warranted that addressed more faults. I don't believe this came to fruition, though. Still a moot point.

SC#38 did point out, though, that the crux of the issue was whether nations could be condemned for their ideologies, and aired on the the side that they shouldn’t. Seeing as it was adopted, that should be the position of the Security Council at large.

FIRMLY BELIEVING that the severe penalty of liberation can only be justified by extraordinarily bad actions and not simply ideology;

Who's asserting that it requires these "extraordinarily bad actions"? You? Since when were you an authority on this?

The Security Council, hopefully, assuming it passes.

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution at hand acknowledges the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has an active founder, and, as such, liberation of the region is entirely ineffective, and was therefore a waste of this Council’s time and effort, and that of all other relevant institutions of the World Assembly;

Yes. I think it was symbolic/to get the CCD if it CTEs or Joco is DEATed by the mods, iirc.

Still, it does technically undermine the power of the delegate, as in, the delegate no longer has the power to restrict the region. Seeing as it has a tangible impact, but doesn’t have a practical effect, affecting said tangible impact was therefore a waste of time and resources. A condemnation would have sufficed as a symbolic gesture, because that’s what a condemnation is, anyway.

CONCLUDING that, as they are, the reasons given for the liberation of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators are utterly insufficient, and set a bad and dangerous precedent;

Today I learned that opposing fascism through the world assembly set a "bad and dangerous precedent".

No. What you should have learned is that the Security Council should be used for settling international disputes, not philosophical debates.

CALLING on all nations to properly justify resolutions of this sort with actions, not ideology;

This line is fluff and has no substance.

Fair enough, but political statements frequently are full of fluff and lacking in substance. I was just trying to drive a point home, not enact a law.

You aren't a bad writer. Stop wasting it on stuff that won't work, like this. The Security Council will not pass this.

Why thank you. Also, you may be right, but there’s no harm done if it’s defeated, I had fun writing it, and I think it has the potential to pass, even if a lot of people don’t like it. It’s certainly a reasonable argument, in my view. Well, of course I think so, I wrote it.

[Kleptocratic Maniacs]

This proposal is schizophrenic, on one hand it calls measures ineffectual and on the other it calls them too harsh. You should chose one way or the other.

The measure was ineffective in this particular case, but as a general rule, liberation is harsh, therefore the only thing created by the resolution was the precedent that I disagree with.

[Flanderlion]

Not happening. Both people who are misguidedly against offensive liberations, and the target regions own members and allies have attempted to repeal this, to no success. It's staying.

[Hexus Manius]

"judging by prior posts, the proposition, and the matter at hand, what must be said is that ideological disputes aren't for the security council. if an ideology is so oppositional and foreign to anyone here, walk away as youre doing more harm to yourself than not by continuing to subject yourself to this. why should it matter what ideology a region or nation represents, follows, or is a proponent of?"

[Sancta Romana Ecclesia]

Both people who are misguidedly against offensive liberations

Not supporting the repeal, but offensive liberations are stupid. If people actually waited for the founder to CTE or get DEATed and then they passed an offensive liberation, it would make much more sense. The way they currently work is a sillier condemnation badge.

If you want to actually invade someone successfully, never say it beforehand. But whatever.

"judging by prior posts, the proposition, and the matter at hand, what must be said is that ideological disputes aren't for the security council. if an ideology is so oppositional and foreign to anyone here, walk away as youre doing more harm to yourself than not by continuing to subject yourself to this. why should it matter what ideology a region or nation represents, follows, or is a proponent of?"

This forum is not IC, at least not in the same way that GA is, so no need for quotation marks.

[South Reinkalistan]

It’s called framing the issue. Look it up.

Still not convinced. I know you're trying to frame the issue, but it's generally not a good thing to acknowledge that the Confederation has little respect for the Council while trying to repeal its liberation.

It’s the only thing they did that was mentioned by the resolution itself, which is what I’m objecting to.

Minus the fascism, dodgy ties with fascist regions, and subsequent drawbacks of both those things...

See above. Also, framing.

See above, again. This line is pretty much fluff anyway, and says nothing different to the line above.

Nations can run themselves as they please. Upholding fascism is not disruptive to other nations or regions. Ideological debates should not spill over into international law, particularly in the Security Council. Leave the Security Council for international disputes, not bashing nations for running themselves differently from how you run yours.

Nothing wrong with condemning/liberating regions over their regimes. This regional sovereignty argument doesn't work anyway when you take into account that the Confederation sends out thousands of recruitment telegrams to bolster its numbers, and has poached nations from other regions in the past.

SC#38 did point out, though, that the crux of the issue was whether nations could be condemned for their ideologies, and aired on the the side that they shouldn’t. Seeing as it was adopted, that should be the position of the Security Council at large.

Not necessarily. If I recall correctly, the Security Council has no precedent, meaning that you can't use one resolution as part of the justification for another.

The Security Council, hopefully, assuming it passes.

It won't pass. But aside that, can you justify why it requires "extraordinarily bad actions"? What about liberations makes it so?

Still, it does technically undermine the power of the delegate, as in, the delegate no longer has the power to restrict the region. Seeing as it has a tangible impact, but doesn’t have a practical effect, affecting said tangible impact was therefore a waste of time and resources. A condemnation would have sufficed as a symbolic gesture, because that’s what a condemnation is, anyway.

Shall I tell you what'd be even more of a waste of time and resources? Trying to repeal it. Also, condemnations are usually considered, out-of-character, to be rewards for a region being "bad" enough in an in-character perspective. I think the main stance of the CCD is that it manages to be rather shit at being "bad" in an in-character perspective, while great at being "bad" in an out-of-character perspective. Hence the liberation.

No. What you should have learned is that the Security Council should be used for settling international disputes, not philosophical debates.

The CCD mocks and disrespects multiple regions. Multiple regions criticise the CCD back, citing its self-identification of fascism. Seems like an international dispute to me.

Fair enough, but political statements frequently are full of fluff and lacking in substance. I was just trying to drive a point home, not enact a law.

You're literally drafting international law.

Why thank you. Also, you may be right, but there’s no harm done if it’s defeated, I had fun writing it, and I think it has the potential to pass, even if a lot of people don’t like it. It’s certainly a reasonable argument, in my view. Well, of course I think so, I wrote it.

It won't even reach quorum unless you campaign (and the counter-campaigns aren't effective enough). Nothing wrong with writing things for fun, but when people get annoyed at you for using the forums to draft legislation everyone else has seen countless times before, then you shouldn't put it on the forums. I can tell you right now, from literal personal experience: this won't pass. I'm assuming you're quite new to the Security Council, but the CCD isn't really liked here.

I'd advise you seek a new region. Your time is wasted writing stuff like this.

[Flanderlion]

Both people who are misguidedly against offensive liberations

Not supporting the repeal, but offensive liberations are stupid. If people actually waited for the founder to CTE or get DEATed and then they passed an offensive liberation, it would make much more sense. The way they currently work is a sillier condemnation badge.

If you want to actually invade someone successfully, never say it beforehand. But whatever.

They're to tell the people in the region that it might be a month or 4 years, but your founder will eventually CTE and then no one is coming to help you. The actual raid is irrelevant, an offensive liberation is a message to the natives that 'the community is disagreeing with your actions, repent or we shall watch you burn'. It's the strongest possible thing that can be done to a foundered region, if the message isn't received then, not much more that can happen bar a tech change, or things that are going into grey or black areas of the game rules, or just morality in general.

[Blood Wine]

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Seriously folks, another self repeal?, thats just plain sad

[Yokiria]

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[Sail Nation]

I honestly don't see this passing. After the actions of Jocospor during the election, a lot of the WA community see him as arrogant and overeactive. Anyway, I don't see much purpose for this repeal anyway.