[SCRAPPED] Condemn Marrabuk

[Valhedge]

As a nation that has never submitted a proposal before, I tried to spend some time reading over the rules of proposals and ensuring that it has some ground to stand on. That said, I'm sure some more experienced nations will be able to pick apart the proposal. I don't plan to submit without some clarity on whether or not the proposal is able to stand. If you believe that it shouldn't exist or have tips on how to polish it up if you think it's the right thing to do, please let me know. Please do be critical. Perhaps I'm a small nation trying to aim for something a little too big.

The Security Council,

RECALLING now-repealed Resolution #247, the first resolution aimed at liberating The East Pacific.

NOTING the similarities and plagiarism between the aforementioned Resolution #247 and Resolution #298.

FURTHER NOTING the claim made by ArenaC which states: "the gov just want the badge" which seems to be seconded by Pakitsk, Chief Minister of Regional Affairs for The East Pacific.

DISGUSTED by the time being spent voting on such an egregious proposal that flies in the face of the Security Council.

EXPRESSING SYMPATHY for members of the Security Council who wish to utilise the council to address and correct more pressing concerns.

REAFFIRMING that the Security Council is an invaluable tool to the World Assembly and not an organization that should be taken lightly, nor used because "the gov want the badge."

Hereby condemns Marrabuk.

[Kuriko]

It's illegal to link forum posts in SC resolutions, so you'll need to remove the link to AC's post. Otherwise, good first attempt but I don't think these shenanigans warrant an SC condemnation.

[Reutoa]

This is a very good first proposal, but still needs some work.

[Valhedge]

It's illegal to link forum posts in SC resolutions, so you'll need to remove the link to AC's post. Otherwise, good first attempt but I don't think these shenanigans warrant an SC condemnation.

My apologies for the linked forum post, I'll remove it now. Thank you for the heads up!

[Valhedge]

This is a very good first proposal, but still needs some work.

Thank you! It's appreciated. If you can give me any pointers, I'd really appreciate it!

[The Atlae Isles]

The author of the first liberation, United Massachusetts (puppet), wrote it while he was in the WA ministry for TEP and has stated he approves of this resolution at vote.

[Bormiar]

The glaring problem behind this is that it is a tit-for-tat (viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat). It’s somewhat redeemed by the plagiarism section, but that’s not enough to redeem it in the eyes of the voters.

Condemnations are most often a way of saying “you have won NS”; they often require game-shifting actions or actions demonstrable of someone at the top of their field. Marrabuk has done neither, just like how most of the authors of the hundreds of proposed resolutions haven’t done enough to warrant condemnation. The closest I can think of for a remembered C&C based on a single action is Condemn Aegara, but that failed and is hardly precedent (10 years ago).

This is decently written, but don’t waste your time pursuing something like this. He probably wants the condemn.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I think your mention of plagiarism would be a Rule 2(c) illegality. If there’s a possible rule violation it shouldn’t be written as part of a C&C.

[Ramaeus]

Condemn the horse for wasting the SC's time and badge-hunting!

[Valhedge]

I think your mention of plagiarism would be a Rule 2(c) illegality. If there’s a possible rule violation it shouldn’t be written as part of a C&C.

Apologies for the late reply. I'm gonna try and find the rules list again because I've just woken up. Hopefully I can get some clarity and if needed, remove it. ^^

[WayNeacTia]

Condemn the horse for wasting the SC's time and badge-hunting!

Let's not and say we didn't shall we?

[Guaylandia]

Wouldn't the Liberate Marrabuk resolution cease to be "the resolution currently at vote" as soon as this resolution goes up to a vote?

[The Atlae Isles]

I will also point out that AC is part of the small, but vocal minority in TEP and is hardly representative of the official government stance on this.

[Praeceps]

I will also point out that AC is part of the small, but vocal minority in TEP and is hardly representative of the official government stance on this.

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

[Bormiar]

I will also point out that AC is part of the small, but vocal minority in TEP and is hardly representative of the official government stance on this.

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

That’s not quite an official gov response. He’s just stating his perception and opinion on the issue. As if MoRA really has an opinion indicative of the entire region’s. Regardless, it’s definitely badge-hunting.

[ArenaC]

FURTHER NOTING the claim made by ArenaC which states: "the gov just want the badge."

^{_{I should not have said that}}

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

That’s not quite an official gov response. He’s just stating his perception and opinion on the issue. As if MoRA really has an opinion indicative of the entire region’s. Regardless, it’s definitely badge-hunting.

You’d be correct, and I should not have noted that. My apologies to all involved, and I promise I won’t do this ever again.

~ AC

PS: I mean I could hypothetically be right but I’ll just say I’m wrong

[Bormiar]

FURTHER NOTING the claim made by ArenaC which states: "the gov just want the badge."

^{_{I should not have said that}}

That’s not quite an official gov response. He’s just stating his perception and opinion on the issue. As if MoRA really has an opinion indicative of the entire region’s. Regardless, it’s definitely badge-hunting.

You’d be correct, and I should not have noted that. My apologies to all involved, and I promise I won’t do this ever again.

~ AC

PS: I mean I could hypothetically be right but I’ll just say I’m wrong

Who’s making you renege on your words? That hardly seems fair.

[Valhedge]

Wouldn't the Liberate Marrabuk resolution cease to be "the resolution currently at vote" as soon as this resolution goes up to a vote?

That's a good point. I wasn't entirely sure how to address the resolution but now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure SC#298 would work.

[ArenaC]

^{_{I should not have said that}}


You’d be correct, and I should not have noted that. My apologies to all involved, and I promise I won’t do this ever again.

~ AC

PS: I mean I could hypothetically be right but I’ll just say I’m wrong

Who’s making you renege on your words? That hardly seems fair.

I’m nervous about being disposed of (yeeted out of region) after all is said and done

[Tretrid]

The correctness of AC's statement aside, the argument of one person shouldn't go into the resolution.

Quoting a single individual's opinion doesn't give a very good justification, as it might not be wholly representative of the WA.

Oh yeah and something about the usual badge hunting arguments leading me to oppose this because Marra doesn't deserve fancy badges for bad resolution writing.

[The Atlae Isles]

AC is not going to be removed from the region for stating his opinion, just making that clear.

I will also point out that AC is part of the small, but vocal minority in TEP and is hardly representative of the official government stance on this.

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

In my private, non-governmental opinion, Paki is not the World Assembly Minister, nor is he acting in official government capacity there. Unfortunately, you took his casual TEP-style RMB banter out of context and took it as an insult. He was criticizing those that simply dismissed the resolution at vote and didn't take into consideration the reasons. He is not insulting all of the North Pacific in his comment.

Now, whether or not WA campaigning is bad in TNP's RMB is a different matter and one that can be easily resolved with some communication.

(Also, I didn't see how that was supposed to illuminate anything? It's kinda different than what AC said...it's getting late though so I might just be missing it)

[Praeceps]

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

That’s not quite an official gov response. He’s just stating his perception and opinion on the issue. As if MoRA really has an opinion indicative of the entire region’s. Regardless, it’s definitely badge-hunting.

I never said it was an official government response. The individual in question is a high ranking member of the Executive, they most likely have a much better understanding of the government's official position than ArenaC does. It is rather suspect that the Chief Minister was campaigning for votes abroad—that is, unless the responsibility for it was given to him. Typically, a high-ranking member of the Executive doesn't go around stepping on the toes of their counterparts.

AC is not going to be removed from the region for stating his opinion, just making that clear.

Perhaps the Chief Minister of Regional Affairs's post might illuminate you.

In my private, non-governmental opinion, Paki is not the World Assembly Minister, nor is he acting in official government capacity there. Unfortunately, you took his casual TEP-style RMB banter out of context and took it as an insult. He was criticizing those that simply dismissed the resolution at vote and didn't take into consideration the reasons. He is not insulting all of the North Pacific in his comment.

Now, whether or not WA campaigning is bad in TNP's RMB is a different matter and one that can be easily resolved with some communication.

(Also, I didn't see how that was supposed to illuminate anything? It's kinda different than what AC said...it's getting late though so I might just be missing it)

Might I suggest a re-read of the posts? It is pretty clear that the Chief Minister is noting that the proposal is a badge hunt and is a better authority figure to refer to than ArenaC is (such as far as inferring the region's official position). If the author is attempting to establish that the proposal is a badge hunt, Pakitsk's post is better than ArenaC's (due to Pakitsk's official government position).

I have never commented on whether WA campaigning on TNP's RMB is bad or not; I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. The matter of Pakitsk insulting The North Pacific is not really relevant to this thread—nor is attempting to deflect criticisms by stating that he's acting in a way that TEPers do (this is on TNP's RMB of course) and that I'm taking it out of context. I would welcome a further explanation in a more appropriate venue.

[The Atlae Isles]

AC is not going to be removed from the region for stating his opinion, just making that clear.
In my private, non-governmental opinion, Paki is not the World Assembly Minister, nor is he acting in official government capacity there. Unfortunately, you took his casual TEP-style RMB banter out of context and took it as an insult. He was criticizing those that simply dismissed the resolution at vote and didn't take into consideration the reasons. He is not insulting all of the North Pacific in his comment.

Now, whether or not WA campaigning is bad in TNP's RMB is a different matter and one that can be easily resolved with some communication.

(Also, I didn't see how that was supposed to illuminate anything? It's kinda different than what AC said...it's getting late though so I might just be missing it)

Might I suggest a re-read of the posts? It is pretty clear that the Chief Minister is noting that the proposal is a badge hunt and is a better authority figure to refer to than ArenaC is (such as far as inferring the region's official position). If the author is attempting to establish that the proposal is a badge hunt, Pakitsk's post is better than ArenaC's (due to Pakitsk's official government position).

I have never commented on whether WA campaigning on TNP's RMB is bad or not; I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. The matter of Pakitsk insulting The North Pacific is not really relevant to this thread—nor is attempting to deflect criticisms by stating that he's acting in a way that TEPers do (this is on TNP's RMB of course) and that I'm taking it out of context. I would welcome a further explanation in a more appropriate venue.

Now that I'm awake and read the post in question, I see what you mean. Apologies for the threadjack, I only saw the part about Paki defending himself from the charge that he "insulted TNP."

[ArenaC]

And to this day I am most likely still an interregional laughing stock.

This proposal has been scrapped, can we have it locked please or something?

[Sedgistan]

No need for a lock. If it's dead, no-one needs to post again.