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by Kuriko » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:26 am
by Mahrenbach » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:28 am
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:20 am
Kuriko wrote:Pretty sure I know the answer to this, but do you have the consent of the nominee Bormiar? I found an RMB post that said Kindjal doesn't respond to telegrams often, so I'm just curious if you do and if we can see it.
by Fauxia » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:32 pm
by Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:10 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:32 pm
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Kindjal isn't just "an issue answerer". She is the issue answerer. Plenty of other nations have enjoyed periods of dominance across multiple World Census categories, only to find their rankings taken by unexpected issue effects or changes to how the rankings are calculated. Some of the nations who were regularly at the top when I started have seen their collection of World #1s dwindle (The Grendels is down to just 1 World #1, Nak Nak - 0, Little Flowers - 1, Northern Borland - 5, Corsaria - 3). Kindjal however, has pretty much maintained or added to her collection (now standing at 10 World #1s - double the second best player). This is a sustained period of dominance in a core mechanic of the game which nobody else has come close to matching.
If you don't think she's worthy of a commendation, that's fine, but many of the comments (from players who don't participate in this aspect of the game, of course) are being very unfairly dismissive. As someone who knows their way around issues and rankings, I'm going to give you a couple of facts.
1. Consistently choosing the correct option is not simple. New issues are constantly being added, and old ones are being reviewed and changed (sometimes significantly)
2. Answering issues constantly for 17 years is not easy. Even if it doesn't take that much time to do on a daily basis, 17 years is still an incredibly long time.
by Yokiria » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:38 pm
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Yokiria wrote:Beating us over the head with how amazing Kindjal is at issue-answering isn't going to change how one-dimensional this Commendation proposal is.
by Yokiria » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:56 pm
Bormiar wrote:Yokiria wrote:Beating us over the head with how amazing Kindjal is at issue-answering isn't going to change how one-dimensional this Commendation proposal is.
Certainly an escalation from your previous post, in more than just tone. The last post provided supplementary reasoning for your opinion.
Bormiar wrote:As for PS2 and Jar, I think they have a right to share their opinion, just like you.
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:06 pm
Yokiria wrote:I actually have a perfect way to describe this proposal. It's the Issue-Answerers' version of Commend Arconian Empire. A target nation that has sustained excellence in their field for a ridiculously long time, and nothing else.
Yokiria wrote:Bormiar wrote:Certainly an escalation from your previous post, in more than just tone. The last post provided supplementary reasoning for your opinion.
Meta-commentary is how I often avoid addressing the points someone makes. I see you employ that strategy too.
Try reading this in a neutral tone
"This proposal is one-dimensional."
and responding to it please.
by Kuriko » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:08 pm
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:37 pm
by Kuriko » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:53 pm
Bormiar wrote:Kuriko wrote:Except defending actually helps other people, whereas issues answering only affects your nation.
Alright I'm not going to go into Commend Arconian Empire, as that would be off-topic and it doesn't matter anymore.
I can't keep beating this dead horse (I don't think you even want a response and just feel it necessary to keep repeating the same thing), but you guys are going to make me, so here's a collection of the comments about that:
viewtopic.php?p=36761507#p36761507
viewtopic.php?p=36768382#p36768382
viewtopic.php?p=36814166#p36814166
viewtopic.php?p=36764632#p36764632
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic ... t-10305667
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic ... t-10305666
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic ... t-10305644
Not to mention all the long discussions I've had in various discord channels.
by Fauxia » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:08 pm
Fauxia wrote:I think I still oppose. What Kindjal has done is impressive but has no magnitude. I don’t see how she has made the game better for anyone besides herself, and therefore is unworthy of a commendation.
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:14 pm
Jar Wattinree wrote:Fauxia wrote:I think I still oppose. What Kindjal has done is impressive but has no magnitude. I don’t see how she has made the game better for anyone besides herself, and therefore is unworthy of a commendation.
I wonder if inspiring others to stick with the game and aspire to the same heights after seeing her qualifies.
viewtopic.php?p=36761507#p36761507
by Excidium Planetis » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:24 pm
Kuriko wrote:Except defending actually helps other people, whereas issues answering only affects your nation.
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by WayNeacTia » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:27 pm
Bormiar wrote:Jar Wattinree wrote:I wonder if inspiring others to stick with the game and aspire to the same heights after seeing her qualifies.
viewtopic.php?p=36761507#p36761507
And speaking of inspiration she clearly provides, wouldn’t Kindjal achieving commendation for hard work in issues be inspiration in and of itself?
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Bormiar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:02 pm
Wayneactia wrote:Bormiar wrote:And speaking of inspiration she clearly provides, wouldn’t Kindjal achieving commendation for hard work in issues be inspiration in and of itself?
No, not really. People are either going to answer issues or they aren't. Given the plethora of information available about issues, and the fact there is actually a list of all issues complete with their repercussions, makes me even less likely to vote for this. How many issues has Kindjal skipped because any answer would be detrimental to stats?
by Xeknos » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:45 pm
by Praeceps » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:34 pm
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:If you don't think she's worthy of a commendation, that's fine, but many of the comments (from players who don't participate in this aspect of the game, of course) are being very unfairly dismissive. As someone who knows their way around issues and rankings, I'm going to give you a couple of facts.
1. Consistently choosing the correct option is not simple. New issues are constantly being added, and old ones are being reviewed and changed (sometimes significantly)
2. Answering issues constantly for 17 years is not easy. Even if it doesn't take that much time to do on a daily basis, 17 years is still an incredibly long time.
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