[DEFEATED] Liberate The Union of the Axis Powers

[New Jakobly]

That is not a credible reason to vot in favor. Plus, fascists and nazis are different, as nazis are left-wing and fascists are right-wing. The targeted region is fascist. This is absolute crap anyways.

Antifa has been haunting fascists regions for so long, all because of their status and ideology, and this attempt to take away their sovereignty on the lone reason of personal grudges is nothing more than propaganda.

You know who complained when Antifa stormed the beaches of Normandy in 1944?

Nazis.

Nazis complained.

What does that have to do with anything?

And if you do research (aka a simple Google Search), you can clearly see that Nazis are socialists.

[Roost1513]

You know who complained when Antifa stormed the beaches of Normandy in 1944?

Nazis.

Nazis complained.

What does that have to do with anything?

And if you do research (aka a simple Google Search), you can clearly see that Nazis are socialists.

How about you take your own advice?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/ ... ocialists/

[Roost1513]

To answer the various comments made.

We are taking action against them because they are a fascist region. That is why. Condemnations have no teeth and are typically seen as a badge of honour, hence a liberation. This resolution is bias because we are bias against fascists. I have explicitly stated in the resolution and in the thread that we are hoping to bring about the region's destruction.

Additionally, Borovan, I will see if Kuriko has an internship so I can be more like her. My apologies for not being her.

This right here, ladies and gentlemen, is every reason why this attempt to destroy a region that does not deserve it should be taken down. They are being attacked simply because of their ideology, and not because of anything they have done wrong.

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Compare this to Trump's impeachment trial. That was clearly partisan-fueled, and this resolution attempt is fueled by a personal grudge towards an ideology.

This is nothing like Trump's impeachment trial. Trump's impeachment trial had actual evidence worthy of impeachment (suppressed or otherwise). This case doesn't. Be real here dude.

[Lord Dominator]

In nowhere in the chart on the SC Guide does it state that association is a reason to liberate.

An outdated guide that is merely a guide in any case

My apologies, are you suggesting that fascism is an ideology that your average person on the right likes to hang around with?

No, I am just stating how many right-wingers dislike the WA and the game for its constant attacks on them, and not just fascists.

Sounds like a personal problem then.

I vote in support because fuck Nazis.

That is not a credible reason to vot in favor.

Sure that's a credible reason. Doesn't matter that you don't like it

What does that have to do with anything?

And if you do research (aka a simple Google Search), you can clearly see that Nazis are socialists.

Excluding the extreme wrongness of that statement, why would that matter?

[Lothric-]

You're...not aware of what the Principles of National Sovereignty are? It's only part of the second resolution passed by the World Assembly, which lays out the rights, responsibilities, and duties of member nations. It seems we're more about carrying out our personal interests instead of upholding what the World Assembly and its associated Security Council is about. As a refresher, I will link you. https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=2/council=1.

Are you surprised? The WA has many conflicting issues, it's a crappy institution that isn't managed well lmao

[Bormiar]

When do we start talking about the proposal?

[Lord Dominator]

When do we start talking about the proposal?

Never

[Tarnik]

You're...not aware of what the Principles of National Sovereignty are? It's only part of the second resolution passed by the World Assembly, which lays out the rights, responsibilities, and duties of member nations. It seems we're more about carrying out our personal interests instead of upholding what the World Assembly and its associated Security Council is about. As a refresher, I will link you. https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=2/council=1.

Are you surprised? The WA has many conflicting issues, it's a crappy institution that isn't managed well lmao

No kidding. I am still new to it but this feels like a useless institution that can't even be held in check by its own rules or passed resolutions.

[Lord Dominator]

Are you surprised? The WA has many conflicting issues, it's a crappy institution that isn't managed well lmao

No kidding. I am still new to it but this feels like a useless institution that can't even be held in check by its own rules or passed resolutions.

All rules are being obeyed, if you feel otherwise complain to the moderators. Active resolutions in the GA don't matter to the SC, as previously mentioned (nor are SC resolutions binding on the SC for that matter).

[Bormiar]

Are you surprised? The WA has many conflicting issues, it's a crappy institution that isn't managed well lmao

No kidding. I am still new to it but this feels like a useless institution that can't even be held in check by its own rules or passed resolutions.

The Security Council isn't bound by its previous resolutions.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I vote in support because fuck Nazis.

That is not a credible reason to vot in favor. Plus, fascists and nazis are different, as nazis are left-wing and fascists are right-wing. The targeted region is fascist. This is absolute crap anyways.

The region has references to Nazism on its factbook page. It does seem to have Nazi influence.

[Tarnik]

No kidding. I am still new to it but this feels like a useless institution that can't even be held in check by its own rules or passed resolutions.

All rules are being obeyed, if you feel otherwise complain to the moderators. Active resolutions in the GA don't matter to the SC, as previously mentioned (nor are SC resolutions binding on the SC for that matter).

I know the rules are being obeyed, it just seems pointless to pass resolutions or any sort of legislation at all if none of it matters or is going to actually be used for future dealings. One would think that since the GA is the prerequisite to joining the SC that GA resolutions would have some bearing on the SC's activities, but the Security Council can't even seem to enforce its own edicts. The more I read the more I'm disappointed.

[Lord Dominator]

All rules are being obeyed, if you feel otherwise complain to the moderators. Active resolutions in the GA don't matter to the SC, as previously mentioned (nor are SC resolutions binding on the SC for that matter).

I know the rules are being obeyed, it just seems pointless to pass resolutions or any sort of legislation at all if none of it matters or is going to actually be used for future dealings. One would think that since the GA is the prerequisite to joining the SC that GA resolutions would have some bearing on the SC's activities, but the Security Council can't even seem to enforce its own edicts. The more I read the more I'm disappointed.

Joining the WA is the prerequisite to participating in GA and SC. Neither of the two chambers is pre-eminent over the other or even really recognizes the other as existing (sans the odd C&C).

[Druing]

sans

confirmed future proposal to commend sans

[Maraculand]

I refer to the SC own guide here.



clearly the region is not threatened by the password present as it set the password to protect itself from destruction (which you are advocating).
By this guideline this proposal is wrong.

[Cedoria]

I refer to the SC own guide here.

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clearly the region is not threatened by the password present as it set the password to protect itself from destruction (which you are advocating).
By this guideline this proposal is wrong.

Guideline. Not rule.

In favour of this.

[Lord Dominator]

I refer to the SC own guide here.

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clearly the region is not threatened by the password present as it set the password to protect itself from destruction (which you are advocating).
By this guideline this proposal is wrong.

The guide is not binding (hence being a guide).

[BlackLight Covenant]

Ignoring the ideological side of things, as I'm not too interested in joining the drama related to R/D gameplay built around ideologies, have these fellas ever done anything significant? Beyond participating in some failed raid which, knowing the recent turbulence of NS over it, I somehow suspect to be related to CCD.

Never heard of em before until this proposal showed up.

[WayNeacTia]

I refer to the SC own guide here.

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clearly the region is not threatened by the password present as it set the password to protect itself from destruction (which you are advocating).
By this guideline this proposal is wrong.

Fascists are exempt from those particular guidelines. Also they are just that, guidelines.

[Free Santa Rosa]

People are saying that the SC should not allow this because, essentially, it should not be biased for or against one ideology.

This is very wrong. Let us look at the SC for what it really is - a political tool just like any other. Yes, this resolution is an ideological struggle. But as I said previously, in the fight against fascism, all fronts must be used and all tactics are valid. This includes the SC. Ultimately, the SC is not devoid of ideological bias - it is composed of WA members with their own leanings. In this regard, any claim by the SC that it is above and beyond ideological struggle is simply wrong.

Nobody is hiding the fact that this is a resolution against fascism. I commend the fact that the SC is being used against fascists. Indeed, if the SC was not against fascism, it would be tacitly in support of it, by virtue of not actively being against it. It matters not if the region "has done anything wrong" or is "doing nobody harm". They are fascists and must be stopped. We, as WA members and delegates, have the duty to combat fascism, else we become complicit in its continuation.

((And to New Jakobly, who said Nazis and fascists are different things - read a book.))

[Socialist Macronesia]

TL;DR - For, but be careful what choices you make here.

Socialist Macronesia's Minister of Media recently pointed out that although the country does not support fascism, and that they will very likely support this liberation, they would like to point out that you can believe what you want.

Sure, we absolutely despise fascism. But if you solely hate them just because they are fascists, then you are no worse than those you hate. If you hate their actions, then that is logical. It seems this liberation just said "fascism is bad" without mentioning why. (Although I think we all know why)

Also, this liberation is to destroy this region.

It's a raid. No other way to put it.

If we allow this, who is going to be next on the docket? The Black Hawks? CCD? I am not saying that could even happen, I'm just speculating. And if those are gone, then what will happen next? These may be evil regions, but if they are gone then no one can speak for them. Free speech applies to all, not just those you support. This is exactly how corruption starts: banning those you don't agree with.

However, the trying to take over TNP and the other stuff is a valid point.

That said, for. I hate fascism.

[Lord Dominator]

CCD?

Done over a year ago, waiting on the founder to CTE or be DEATed

[Socialist Macronesia]

CCD?

Done over a year ago, waiting on the founder to CTE or be DEATed

That's kind of my point. This is blurring the lines between raiders and defenders.

[Lord Dominator]

Done over a year ago, waiting on the founder to CTE or be DEATed

That's kind of my point. This is blurring the lines between raiders and defenders.

Fascists are traditionally the only thing that removes the raider/defender lines entirely, so...

[WayNeacTia]

Done over a year ago, waiting on the founder to CTE or be DEATed

That's kind of my point. This is blurring the lines between raiders and defenders.

Not really. The one thing fendas and raiders can agree on is that fascists need to be dealt with. They like to hide behind passworded regions thinking they are invincible. This shows them that they are not as well protected as they like to think they are.