Jakker City wrote:It is hard to start with what a lot of Numero said because several of his statements counter what I put in there.
There is a reason for that...
Jakker City wrote:There is no mention of raiding or that Twobagger is a raider. I am not sure how to add detail to these clauses and explain why it is commendable that Twobagger handled the switch fairly well without explaining what he had to deal with and obviously then I will be accused of the proposal trying to go against XKI. Do you have any suggestions there?
Has anyone handled a switch badly? As far as I am aware the majority of people switching sides have handled it successfully. They may have taken some flak or been shunned by their old regionmates, but most of them take it in stride. It just doesn't seem commendable to me, the fact that TBH celebrate the fact that TB switched at length (and are still trying to twist the dagger here) doesn't make it any more commendable than others (hence the raised eyebrows at this proposal).
There were no such references in Commend Severisen, for example (who also wrote an article about switching sides), and this just feels like filler that is only deemed worthy of inclusion from the lack of diverse reasons for the Commend itself. And as HS has reasonably set out (and I note you've ignored these clear points in your response), there were a number of good reasons why I wouldn't hold up TB as the poster child for switching sides.
Jakker City wrote:At this point, it feels like simply attempting to commend Twobagger, regardless of what is written, would go against XKI's interest.
Jakker, you seem incapable of taking on reasonable discussion without dismissing the other party as soon as you're running out of responses. I suggest you go away and objectively consider the merits of this proposal rather than trying to piledriver it through so TBH can get itself another badge. Commenters can clearly both consider that the proposal has insufficient merit on face value and also have good detailed reasons as to why that is the case.
IMO it speaks for itself that no defender ever attempted to commend Twobagger after 12 years of service, but if you want further objective evidence I have trawled through the nominations for every single award in the 13 year history of the Defender awards, and TB wasn't even nominated for a single award until last year*. There are literally hundreds of defenders that earned nominations over that time, and some awards had up to 16 nominees. Are you planning on proposing to commend Deathorlife, Neanbear, Kickin Boots, Tupelope or Tycholand for similar accomplishments? Or do you only care about defender nations that are active in NSGP and joined TBH?
*I did enjoy discovering that I made the ballot for the intel award in 2014, thanks Karp/Mek/Tim and the people you tricked into thinking I must have done something that year