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by Sargon Reman » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:45 am
by Marxist Germany » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:47 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:49 am
Marxist Germany wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
OOC: He is being treated like other raiders for the most part.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:52 am
by Numero Capitan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:53 am
by Marxist Germany » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:54 am
by A Bloodred Moon » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:55 am
Kuriko wrote:So wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that somebody who was elected Defender of the Year for one, one, year in 2019 is more deserving of a commendation than somebody who has dedicated 10 years to defending others? Than two other people who have dedicated 9 years to defending others? Than FA directors who were elected delegate in NS's largest UCR? Okay then, nice to see the definition of commendable shifted from years of dedicated service to one year of dedicated service.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:57 am
by Kuriko » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:58 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:08 am
Kuriko wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
Can you enlighten us as to how XKI is "such a toxic lot" when we stuck to a policy we've had for 16 years that most regions would enact if someone there switched to what's considered an enemy region? If you meant Hakke's comment, he explained it in this thread.
by Kuriko » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:10 am
A Bloodred Moon wrote:Kuriko wrote:So wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that somebody who was elected Defender of the Year for one, one, year in 2019 is more deserving of a commendation than somebody who has dedicated 10 years to defending others? Than two other people who have dedicated 9 years to defending others? Than FA directors who were elected delegate in NS's largest UCR? Okay then, nice to see the definition of commendable shifted from years of dedicated service to one year of dedicated service.
According to Numero in the NS history thread, Twobagger was leading efforts to counter Lewis and Clark/Westwind and the Crimson Order back in 2008. If you can count, you know that that’s 12 years, and if you can do the math, that’s more than 9.
by Kuriko » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:13 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Kuriko wrote:Can you enlighten us as to how XKI is "such a toxic lot" when we stuck to a policy we've had for 16 years that most regions would enact if someone there switched to what's considered an enemy region? If you meant Hakke's comment, he explained it in this thread.
There is no excuse for the kind of abuse XKIers have been throwing at Twobagger. It didn't fly when people, myself included, did the same back in 2011/2012 to the likes of Spartz and Mall, and it doesn't fly now. If it's policy to act like toxic assholes to people who no longer want to play with you, then you should change such a terrible policy.
by A Bloodred Moon » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:16 am
Kuriko wrote:A Bloodred Moon wrote:According to Numero in the NS history thread, Twobagger was leading efforts to counter Lewis and Clark/Westwind and the Crimson Order back in 2008. If you can count, you know that that’s 12 years, and if you can do the math, that’s more than 9.
And if you checked, Twobagger left NS in 2008/2009 and didn't return until 2018 or 2019. Might want to rethink how many years that is of service. The argument here is that he's commendable for work done in 2019 and 2019 only, so why is nothing else mentioned?
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:20 am
Kuriko wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:There is no excuse for the kind of abuse XKIers have been throwing at Twobagger. It didn't fly when people, myself included, did the same back in 2011/2012 to the likes of Spartz and Mall, and it doesn't fly now. If it's policy to act like toxic assholes to people who no longer want to play with you, then you should change such a terrible policy.
Point out where we've been "toxic asshole". Point it out. Hakke already explained why he said what he said, and i agree there's really no excuse for it. I'm not excusing it at all. We have our policy the way it is for regional security purposes, much like how TNP has its laws and court system for regional security purposes. You can't blame us for banning somebody who changed allegiances to an enemy region and then hid it in order to stay in TITO command for another month and in the region for 3 more months when the courts in TNP would have done the same thing.
by Numero Capitan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:32 am
A Bloodred Moon wrote:According to Numero in the NS history thread, Twobagger was leading efforts to counter Lewis and Clark/Westwind and the Crimson Order back in 2008. If you can count, you know that that’s 12 years, and if you can do the math, that’s more than 9.
by Kuriko » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:42 am
A Bloodred Moon wrote:Kuriko wrote:And if you checked, Twobagger left NS in 2008/2009 and didn't return until 2018 or 2019. Might want to rethink how many years that is of service. The argument here is that he's commendable for work done in 2019 and 2019 only, so why is nothing else mentioned?
Then how did he contribute to the refound of the Skeleton Army in 2012? If you read the proposal, you’d know his TNP work and the work in the Skeleton Army was mentioned too.
by THX1138 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:44 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:53 am
THX1138 wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
Having a fair bit of experience with rampant toxicity in previous regions, I can assure you that XKI is the picture of health by comparison. I think the conflation between the response from a few who felt deeply and personally misled and betrayed, as indicative of the overall tone of a region where you have spent no time, is beyond the pale. Having had the benefit of experience in both, I'd stand by XKI in a heartbeat.
by Kuriko » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:56 am
Cormactopia Prime wrote:THX1138 wrote:Having a fair bit of experience with rampant toxicity in previous regions, I can assure you that XKI is the picture of health by comparison. I think the conflation between the response from a few who felt deeply and personally misled and betrayed, as indicative of the overall tone of a region where you have spent no time, is beyond the pale. Having had the benefit of experience in both, I'd stand by XKI in a heartbeat.
Person indoctrinated into the cult of 10000 Islands would stand by 10000 Islands in a heartbeat. News at 11.
by Numero Capitan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:00 pm
Kuriko wrote:You do realize how silly that sounds, right Cormac?
by Praeceps » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:05 pm
THX1138 wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Considering how XKIers have treated him since his switch, I can only assume Twobagger has the patience of a saint having put up with such a toxic lot for so long.
And for that reason, I'm in favour of this.
Having a fair bit of experience with rampant toxicity in previous regions, I can assure you that XKI is the picture of health by comparison. I think the conflation between the response from a few who felt deeply and personally misled and betrayed, as indicative of the overall tone of a region where you have spent no time, is beyond the pale. Having had the benefit of experience in both, I'd stand by XKI in a heartbeat.
by HumanSanity » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:35 pm
Sandaoguo wrote:HS is worth 100 times more than the insubstantial (to borderline non-existent) benefits the TNP-TSP “alliance” has created over the last several years.
by Jakker City » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:15 pm
HumanSanity wrote:For what it’s worth, in case anyone writing the proposal cared to actually improve it with non R/D content (which was the primary basis of the myopically maligned Mark, Woon, and Paffnia commendations), Twobagger was a contributor on the civilian side of things in 10000 Islands as well. Specifically, he was Mayor of Taco Island for a year - in charge of overseeing the region’s most active and beloved forum. He was also a Senator for five terms. And, all the TI threads that would contain more information about activities he planned are public, as are his Council of Nine voting records (thanks to a proposal he originally made!).
Edit: archive searching found he was also spokesperson of a historical political party, speaker of the Assembly of Nations which was 10KI’s most extensive experiment in broader deliberative government, and was TITO FC.
by Jakker City » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:47 am
by Honeydewistania » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:06 pm
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