[WITHDRAWN] Commend Riakou

[Lord Dominator]

Riakou was a member of CCD's Supreme Council, therefore aware of Farkasfalka's plot to doxx a member of NS site staff and partially responsible for the failure to report it. This was and remains disgusting. The purge carried out today does not make up for that, as happy as I am with it. Riakou's reputation is going to be stained for a long time in my eyes, and a lot of work will need to be done over a long period to repair it.

Maybe somewhere down the line this will be deserved. As of right now, we're not there.

Riakou's name never came up during all the discussion about the CCD's coverup. I'd know, I was in the thick of that thread. It's not exactly fair to make them guilty by association without any evidence tying them to that crime, especially considering what they just did.

To be clear, what you mean is that Riakou likely didn't know, given the evidence?

[Kavagrad]

Riakou was a member of CCD's Supreme Council, therefore aware of Farkasfalka's plot to doxx a member of NS site staff and partially responsible for the failure to report it. This was and remains disgusting. The purge carried out today does not make up for that, as happy as I am with it. Riakou's reputation is going to be stained for a long time in my eyes, and a lot of work will need to be done over a long period to repair it.

Maybe somewhere down the line this will be deserved. As of right now, we're not there.

Riakou's name never came up during all the discussion about the CCD's coverup. I'd know, I was in the thick of that thread. It's not exactly fair to make them guilty by association without any evidence tying them to that crime, especially considering what they just did.

The entire Supreme Council were aware, this was made clear in the thread. Riakou was on the Supreme Council. I'm not sure what else needs to be said. If Riakou didn't know, then I'm open to supporting this, but you would struggle to convince me of that given the information that has already been made public.

[Outer Sparta]

As an SC author, I'd love to work with you on commending Riakou.

This will probably pass as-is, but I want to make it bullet-proof against any future Repeal attempts.

Especially future repeal attempts by what's remaining of the CCD.

[Castelia]

Riakou was a member of CCD's Supreme Council, therefore aware of Farkasfalka's plot to doxx a member of NS site staff and partially responsible for the failure to report it. This was and remains disgusting. The purge carried out today does not make up for that, as happy as I am with it. Riakou's reputation is going to be stained for a long time in my eyes, and a lot of work will need to be done over a long period to repair it.

Maybe somewhere down the line this will be deserved. As of right now, we're not there. Opposed.

I would like to note that at the time, the Supreme Council did not have administrator privileges on Discord. As such, the channel where the plot was discussed was visible only to Jocospor, me, and Depackya. Depackya and I were trusted with storing and deleting the channel, which I foolishly left to Depackya to handle alone. It's one thing I regret doing.

The rest of the SC (except perhaps Shrew who is Joco's IRL friend) were not aware of the plot in any way, Riakou included.

[Kavagrad]

Riakou was a member of CCD's Supreme Council, therefore aware of Farkasfalka's plot to doxx a member of NS site staff and partially responsible for the failure to report it. This was and remains disgusting. The purge carried out today does not make up for that, as happy as I am with it. Riakou's reputation is going to be stained for a long time in my eyes, and a lot of work will need to be done over a long period to repair it.

Maybe somewhere down the line this will be deserved. As of right now, we're not there. Opposed.

I would like to note that at the time, the Supreme Council did not have administrator privileges on Discord. As such, the channel where the plot was discussed was visible only to Jocospor, me, and Depackya. Depackya and I were trusted with storing and deleting the channel, which I foolishly left to Depackya to handle alone. It's one thing I regret doing.

The rest of the SC (except perhaps Shrew who is Joco's IRL friend) were not aware of the plot in any way, Riakou included.

This stands in contrast with what Shrew said in the thread, but given that he wasn't in the channel, it's more likely that you are correct.

I am now supporting this proposal.

[Yokiria]

Riakou's name never came up during all the discussion about the CCD's coverup. I'd know, I was in the thick of that thread. It's not exactly fair to make them guilty by association without any evidence tying them to that crime, especially considering what they just did.

To be clear, what you mean is that Riakou likely didn't know, given the evidence?

Yes. Given the evidence, and the characterization of their behavior in that position. I've discovered the latter through my research into them. I started researching their place in the CCD as soon as the purge happened, as I was planning a Commend Riakou before Rein submitted one. I decided it would be better if the Delegate of a region of former CCD members was the author, for symbolic reasons, so I've tabled mine.

[Refuge Isle]

After tomorrow, it's going to be up to my successor of whether to approve this or not, but there's basically no way I'm ever going to approve something that's been in drafting for two hours, especially citing an event that happened this afternoon. SC resolutions are permanent. They need good, thought-out writing with all the information and supporting evidence possible and not rely on feelings in the moment.

[Outer Sparta]

After tomorrow, it's going to be up to my successor of whether to approve this or not, but there's basically no way I'm ever going to approve something that's been in drafting for two hours, especially citing an event that happened this afternoon. SC resolutions are permanent. They need good, thought-out writing with all the information and supporting evidence possible and not rely on feelings in the moment.

Good point. Since there's going to be a SC logjam with other proposals, that certainly gives plenty of time to do some more research.

[Yokiria]

Since I've been on the other side of this, I understand why the quickness of the submission is causing some frustration. I do feel like refusing to support it based on that is a bit of an overreaction, though. It's not poorly written, right? It doesn't have any glaring mistakes in it, does it?

Sometimes it doesn't have to be done slowly.

[Outer Sparta]

Since I've been on the other side of this, I understand why the quickness of the submission is causing some frustration. I do feel like refusing to support it based on that is a bit of an overreaction, though. It's not poorly written, right? It doesn't have any glaring mistakes in it, does it?

Sometimes it doesn't have to be done slowly.

I'm just conflicted whether to support it at this stage or not. If I do decide against, it's not because I disagree with commending Riakou, it's just that it might be rushed and some parts could be missing.

[Cedoria]

I would like to note that at the time, the Supreme Council did not have administrator privileges on Discord. As such, the channel where the plot was discussed was visible only to Jocospor, me, and Depackya. Depackya and I were trusted with storing and deleting the channel, which I foolishly left to Depackya to handle alone. It's one thing I regret doing.

The rest of the SC (except perhaps Shrew who is Joco's IRL friend) were not aware of the plot in any way, Riakou included.

This stands in contrast with what Shrew said in the thread, but given that he wasn't in the channel, it's more likely that you are correct.

I am now supporting this proposal.

I'm not sure I trust Shrew's word on anything that's happened in the region lately.

Regardless, I'm glad Castelia cleared up this pertinent objection.

Edit: That said, this should have had more drafting time. I'll probably still support, but just for the future.

[Riakou]

I am not going to comment on this commendation, I’ll leave this to the community, although I’m entirely honoured.

I am simply here to state I was never privy to these doxxing discussions, I believe you should be able to corroborate this with The Chuck should he deign to appear.
This was actually the final nail in a well hammered coffin for me when such claims came to light.

[The Chuck]

I am not going to comment on this commendation, I’ll leave this to the community, although I’m entirely honoured.

I am simply here to state I was never privy to these doxxing discussions, I believe you should be able to corroborate this with The Chuck should he deign to appear.
This was actually the final nail in a well hammered coffin for me when such claims came to light.

This is the truth. Riakou was not privy to the doxxing information at the time it was talked about. I do not know if he was ever privy to this information since it was left up to Depackya and Castelia to scrap the channel.

[Bormiar]

Could one of the authors - or anyone - explain why an hour of ejecting is at all meriting one of NationStates greatest awards? It frankly feels insulting to those who have worked diligently for years and have been commended for such, and strikes me as either a badge-hunt or a circlejerk. It checks all the boxes for one:

- About CCD
- Rushed
- Extremely trivial reasoning that arrogantly assuming a greater importance of CCD
- Capitalizing on current news

[South Reinkalistan]

Could one of the authors - or frankly anyone - explain why an hour of ejecting is at all meriting one of NationStates greatest awards? It frankly feels insulting to those who have worked diligently for years and have been commended for such, and strikes me as either a badge-hunt or a circlejerk. It checks all the boxes for one:

- About CCD
- Rushed
- Extremely trivial reasoning that arrogantly assuming a greater importance of CCD
- Capitalizing on current news

I believe I've been unduly silent during this thread, so I'll make my case in regards to an explanation here.

The Confederation has done awful things. It's been an awful region in many ways. But this commendation doesn't explicitly state that an hour of ejecting is all that Riakou's done. His voice of reason has been a counterweight to Joco's madness. In fact, he has been diligently working for years in this manner. Riakou saw the rot, saw the toxicity, and had the necessary qualities to do what he needed to do.

Riakou has purposefully torn down everything he helped build up because he knew it needed to go. That is, as far as I'm concerned, commendable.

[Yokiria]

His voice of reason has been a counterweight to Joco's madness. In fact, he has been diligently working for years in this manner. Riakou saw the rot, saw the toxicity, and had the necessary qualities to do what he needed to do.

Riakou has purposefully torn down everything he helped build up because he knew it needed to go. That is, as far as I'm concerned, commendable.

Exactly. The entire first half of the proposal focuses on this. It's hard to miss.

[Bormiar]

Ok so “counter to Joco”, in Joco’s own region? No matter. Why should we care what goes on in CCD? Does CCD actually affect the international landscape very much, and would changing its government significantly change the world (this is the world Assembly. Not the CCD Awards Show)? Do you have any examples of Riakou’s leadership making a major difference on the world? Do you have any empirical evidence at all other than the ejections? If you want to commend for leadership, how do you contest the very obvious facts that Riakou benefited CCD through their leadership and likely abeted in Operation 84 by keeping silent? Why would CCD even deserve such esteemed leadership? Even if you can provide adequate answers to those questions, you’ll need to do some heavy re-drafting, especially because the burden of proof is on you, and this proposal is unconvincing of Riakou’s “positive leadership”.

Edit: while you’re trying to defend your proposal, can you throw in some justification behind submitting a proposal with only one or two hours up on the forums?

[Yokiria]

Campaign to delegates deployed. Decided to wait until the update had passed.

[Ndaku]

I don't always involve myself in the WA as much as I used to, but considering the valiant effort from Riakou against closed-minded, bigoted, ignorant values and ideals, I'd support this.

[Yokiria]

I don't always involve myself in the WA as much as I used to, but considering the valiant effort from Riakou against closed-minded, bigoted, ignorant values and ideals, I'd support this.

Thank you. It's much appreciated. I like your signature, by the way.

[Ndaku]

I don't always involve myself in the WA as much as I used to, but considering the valiant effort from Riakou against closed-minded, bigoted, ignorant values and ideals, I'd support this.

Thank you. It's much appreciated. I like your signature, by the way.

For sure! I appreciate it!

[Refuge Isle]

Edit: while you’re trying to defend your proposal, can you throw in some justification behind submitting a proposal with only one or two hours up on the forums?

Especially considering it will, at best, sit in queue for a week anyway.

[Yokiria]

Edit: while you’re trying to defend your proposal, can you throw in some justification behind submitting a proposal with only one or two hours up on the forums?

Especially considering it will, at best, sit in queue for a week anyway.

I already did so, on this very page. Here it is for you, Refuge Isle:

Since I've been on the other side of this, I understand why the quickness of the submission is causing some frustration. I do feel like refusing to support it based on that is a bit of an overreaction, though. It's not poorly written, right? It doesn't have any glaring mistakes in it, does it?

Sometimes it doesn't have to be done slowly.

[Bormiar]

I think I’ve pointed out many glaring problems with it in my last post, yet those don’t matter? Are you just inable to answer?

[British Niatirb]

We should not rush to judgment.