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WayNeacTia
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:24 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:He actually does. He has done more than enough to earn both.


Like commenting in a snarky way as often as possible? Can that be incorporated? He does that often as well.

This hug fest for Cormac is undeserved and I can only hope the feeders kill the proposals, knowing he is not worth either badge.

Opposed.

It's great you have an opinion on the matter, it is just really a shame that no one cares.
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:29 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Twins of Hearts wrote:
Like commenting in a snarky way as often as possible? Can that be incorporated? He does that often as well.

This hug fest for Cormac is undeserved and I can only hope the feeders kill the proposals, knowing he is not worth either badge.

Opposed.

It's great you have an opinion on the matter, it is just really a shame that no one cares.

Lol.

On a more serious note, I definitely support any efforts to give Cormac the SC recognition he deserves. As he himself said though, make sure it's all accurate. As for the nonsense in this thread about C&C's being invalid, when they're earned, they're deserved.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:40 pm

Imperium of Josh wrote:As for the nonsense in this thread about C&C's being invalid, when they're earned, they're deserved.

Exactly. Any personal feelings that someone (drunkenconquerors) might have about his character are completely irrelevant to it.
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:59 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:
Imperium of Josh wrote:As for the nonsense in this thread about C&C's being invalid, when they're earned, they're deserved.

Exactly. Any personal feelings that someone (drunkenconquerors) might have about his character are completely irrelevant to it.

Indeed.

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Postby Jakker City » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:16 pm

The proposal in the OP has been updated.

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Postby Roavin » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:30 am

to extort restricts on how TRR handled their regional newspaper,


Grammar.

I have some additional thoughts which I'll compile later.
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Postby Jakker City » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:49 am

I've cleaned up the proposal a bit with feedback here and am looking to submit this within the next week. Free to share any last thoughts in the meantime.

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Postby Jakker City » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Will be looking to submit this soon. Even with the commendation not passing, this proposal leaves various aspects for a potential future commendation retry. Feel free to share any last minute feedback.

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Postby LollerLand » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:48 am

Roavin wrote:
to extort restricts on how TRR handled their regional newspaper,


Grammar.

I have some additional thoughts which I'll compile later.

This.
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Postby Jakker City » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:29 am

LollerLand wrote:
Roavin wrote:
Grammar.

I have some additional thoughts which I'll compile later.

This.


I edited the statement in question before. If you are referring to additional thoughts, people are welcome to post them now, but I will probably submit in the next day or so.

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Postby ArenaC » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:43 am

Please stop giving that man attention... ...it’s what he craves...
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:09 am

ArenaC wrote:Please stop giving that man attention... ...it’s what he craves...


Maybe I crave attention too ;)

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Postby Twins of Hearts » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:12 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Twins of Hearts wrote:
Like commenting in a snarky way as often as possible? Can that be incorporated? He does that often as well.

This hug fest for Cormac is undeserved and I can only hope the feeders kill the proposals, knowing he is not worth either badge.

Opposed.

It's great you have an opinion on the matter, it is just really a shame that no one cares.


You cared enough to respond. Your words are tough, but the action demonstrates how much I must mean to you :)

Imperium of Josh wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:It's great you have an opinion on the matter, it is just really a shame that no one cares.

Lol.

On a more serious note, I definitely support any efforts to give Cormac the SC recognition he deserves. As he himself said though, make sure it's all accurate. As for the nonsense in this thread about C&C's being invalid, when they're earned, they're deserved.


Cormac has done literally nothing out of the ordinary. Just because gameplay and r/d is essentially flat-lined right now does not mean we should cheapen the SC badges so your friends can have their shiny things.

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Postby Jakker City » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:57 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:Cormac has done literally nothing out of the ordinary. Just because gameplay and r/d is essentially flat-lined right now does not mean we should cheapen the SC badges so your friends can have their shiny things.


If one thinks that Cormac has done "nothing out of the ordinary," then it seems like basically all of the current passed resolutions should be repealed. This imaginary bar of what is deemed out of the ordinary seems strange to me. Literally, what else is there to do?
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Postby The Gilded Star » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:00 pm

So if the condemnation gets passed, I wonder how many people that were opposed to the commendation may change their votes? I'm also interested in seeing both passed, and it seems not all no commend votes were set in concrete.

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Postby Apostate » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:49 pm

Jakker City wrote:
Twins of Hearts wrote:Cormac has done literally nothing out of the ordinary. Just because gameplay and r/d is essentially flat-lined right now does not mean we should cheapen the SC badges so your friends can have their shiny things.


If one thinks that Cormac has done "nothing out of the ordinary," then it seems like basically all of the current passed resolutions should be repealed. This imaginary bar of what is deemed out of the ordinary seems strange to me. Literally, what else is there to do?



Something interesting. "Re-couping" the same region 2/3 times is like beating tomb raider on novice 3 times. All he is/does is give snarky responses and commentary, aside from that...? You tell me? You wrote the bloody thing, its just a stroke piece for a friend as far as I can see. A Condemn badge? No Way. He just wants a hall of fame spot, which the black hawks (you) run, and this is a step toward that. A Primary, if you will. Give me a villian!

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Postby The Church of Satan » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:37 pm

Anyone who thinks Cormac has done "nothing out of the ordinary" is extremely out of touch with GP (and ignorant of the last six years.)
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Postby Jakker City » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:08 pm

Apostate wrote:
Jakker City wrote:
If one thinks that Cormac has done "nothing out of the ordinary," then it seems like basically all of the current passed resolutions should be repealed. This imaginary bar of what is deemed out of the ordinary seems strange to me. Literally, what else is there to do?



Something interesting. "Re-couping" the same region 2/3 times is like beating tomb raider on novice 3 times. All he is/does is give snarky responses and commentary, aside from that...? You tell me? You wrote the bloody thing, its just a stroke piece for a friend as far as I can see. A Condemn badge? No Way. He just wants a hall of fame spot, which the black hawks (you) run, and this is a step toward that. A Primary, if you will. Give me a villian!

Against.


This has noting to do with the Hall of Fame. Since you think so highly of your opinions, perhaps one day you will have enough clout to actually start one up of your own. In the meantime, I think we have a different idea of what a strong villian character that actually contributes to the game looks like.
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Postby Xeknos » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:35 pm

Twins of Hearts wrote:Cormac has done literally nothing out of the ordinary. Just because gameplay and r/d is essentially flat-lined right now does not mean we should cheapen the SC badges so your friends can have their shiny things.


I'm inclined to agree with this. Opposed.
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Postby ArenaC » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:53 pm

He did some stuff, stop giving him attention. Please. I’m begging you. (I shall vote against.)
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Postby Bowzin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:57 pm

I'll be voting For. If Cormac can't be considered a villain or a hero, aka can't be condemned or commended, than I think there is something wrong with the SC, considering he should get both. Also, uh, he's openly stated he encourages coups of Balder and so therefore he is bad, right? Condemn.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:26 am

ArenaC wrote:He did some stuff, stop giving him attention. Please. I’m begging you. (I shall vote against.)

If Cormac hasn't earned a condemnation then almost nobody has. Whatever your personal beef with him is, it's not a valid reason. >_>
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:27 am

While I appreciate Jakker's attempt to make history with a commendation and condemnation, I've decided to vote against.

I think it would have been pretty neat to have both a commendation and a condemnation, but I'm not as keen on just having a condemnation. On the whole, I think my contribution to NationStates has been commendable. My coups of Osiris shaped Osiris into the stable, peaceful, well ordered region it is today. My raid of Christmas and the resulting liberation resolution ultimately led to the region's present situation, a relatively successful founderless region with an active Delegate and Regional Officers. My targeting of the Founderless Regions Alliance's member regions while commanding the Sekhmet Legion was justified by the FRA's corruption and animosity toward my home region of Osiris. While perhaps my motives weren't great, my attempt to coup the Rejected Realms, had it been successful, likely would have seen the displacement of its current elite who keep the region from realizing its full potential. The Miniluv Messenger has done many great things, including exposing corruption in various major regions and taking a hard line against the NLO coup of Lazarus. Etc., etc. All of these things are commendable, in my view, and I'd rather not be condemned for them. Not without an accompanying commendation.
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Postby United Republic of the Pashto People » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:37 am

The semantic quality of the proposed resolution does not matter as long as it maintains and conveys the correct meaning. English means nothing to the Pashto people so why should native English speakers bicker about grammar when they fully understand the meaning of the bill?

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Postby ArenaC » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:57 am

The Church of Satan wrote:
ArenaC wrote:He did some stuff, stop giving him attention. Please. I’m begging you. (I shall vote against.)

If Cormac hasn't earned a condemnation then almost nobody has. Whatever your personal beef with him is, it's not a valid reason. >_>

??? There’s no “beef” here. He’s gotten WELL OVER his fair share of attention.
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