[DEFEATED] Condemn Cormactopia Prime

[Gorundu]

If Cormac hasn't earned a condemnation then almost nobody has. Whatever your personal beef with him is, it's not a valid reason. >_>

??? There’s no “beef” here. He’s gotten WELL OVER his fair share of attention.

Honestly, you're looking like the attention-seeking one here right now.

[The Church of Satan]

??? There’s no “beef” here. He’s gotten WELL OVER his fair share of attention.

You just seem to give an impression of personal investment in this. Perhaps I've misread your meaning.

Either way, if Cormac wanted attention he wouldn't need a commendation or condemnation to get it. He's more than capable of waltzing into just about any region, turning it upside down and watching everyone dance amidst the chaos he hath created. I'm not even joking either, funny as it sounds. >_>

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I am in support of this Condemnation as I believe Cormac deserves it. I am disappointed however, that most WA members do not share this opinion.

[Yokiria]

The SC voting that Cormac isn't deserving of a C&C eliminates the rest of gameplay from being deserving as well, since Cormac has accomplished the most out of any player in the Gameplayer scene. Think about that for a minute, and what it means for future C&Cs. That's right.

As if Gameplay needed any more nails in its coffin, future C&Cs for Gameplayers are going to be nigh-impossible to pass because "Cormac wasn't deserving with all he's done, so how is ____?", taking away one of the last remaining rewards for even bothering with GP; recognition.

I hope the short-sighted pettiness was worth the long-term damage.

Foolish.

[Yokiria]

In fact, hold on. Let me go through a list of past proposals whose targets' accomplishments are no longer worthy of recognition based on the Cormac proposals failing. Maybe that'll knock some sense into the major delegates.

Commend Ramaeus
Commend Duxburian Union (Vincent Drake)
Commend Grays Harbor
Condemn North East Somerset
Condemn Pierconium
Commend Woonsocket
Commend Paffnia
Commend Bachtendekuppen
Commend Xoriet
Commend Minoa
Condemn Chan Island
Commend Helaw
Commend Knootoss
Commend Wintony

That's going back 2 years. If I go longer, I'll find more, no doubt. Everyone I listed above deserves what they have. I'm not saying they don't. But, based on Cormac not being deserving... neither are they.

[Cormactopia Prime]

In fact, hold on. Let me go through a list of past proposals whose targets' accomplishments are no longer worthy of recognition

Ah, the difference though is that those folks are -- or at least were at the time of passage -- popular. That's really all this is, the in-crowd backpatting other members of the in-crowd. It has no meaning at all, and the people who receive these commendations and condemnations aren't even the most accomplished players. In fact, many of them are extremely mediocre, and their mediocrity is why they've remained socially popular and get these badges. Many of the most accomplished players have been controversial, and thus they have neither a commendation nor a condemnation because the people who don't like them don't want to reward them with recognition. Depriving me, and others like me, of a commendation or condemnation is basically just the petty flailing of the mediocre, pleased that in this one instance they are able to beat those of us who have routinely been superior to them in every other game context.

Personally, I don't need a badge to know I'm better at this game than these people. I've known it for years. They know it too, it's why they hate me.

[A Bloodred Moon]

Don't expect consistency.

I don’t know if consistency is something you can really teach people about.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Don't expect consistency.

I don’t know if consistency is something you can really teach people about.

I've been consistent as a NationStates player. I consistently do what I want, and I consistently demolish anyone who gets in my way. Consistency!

[Yokiria]

Don't expect consistency.

I don’t know if consistency is something you can really teach people about.

You've got it backwards. Cormac is pointing out inconsistency. It's essentially expert testimony.

[Leafish]

He’s gotten WELL OVER his fair share of attention.

can i point out how hilarious it is that a member of TEP of all places is arguing this?

[Marrabuk]

He’s gotten WELL OVER his fair share of attention.

can i point out how hilarious it is that a member of TEP of all places is arguing this?

Can confirm that he's adopted.

[Yokiria]

can i point out how hilarious it is that a member of TEP of all places is arguing this?

Can confirm that he's adopted.

Forcibly adopted, I take it

[Pierconium]

In fact, hold on. Let me go through a list of past proposals whose targets' accomplishments are no longer worthy of recognition

Ah, the difference though is that those folks are -- or at least were at the time of passage -- popular. That's really all this is, the in-crowd backpatting other members of the in-crowd. It has no meaning at all, and the people who receive these commendations and condemnations aren't even the most accomplished players. In fact, many of them are extremely mediocre, and their mediocrity is why they've remained socially popular and get these badges. Many of the most accomplished players have been controversial, and thus they have neither a commendation nor a condemnation because the people who don't like them don't want to reward them with recognition. Depriving me, and others like me, of a commendation or condemnation is basically just the petty flailing of the mediocre, pleased that in this one instance they are able to beat those of us who have routinely been superior to them in every other game context.

Personally, I don't need a badge to know I'm better at this game than these people. I've known it for years. They know it too, it's why they hate me.

*coughs*

[Bormiar]

Now I want to see who the people who are super controversial but not mediocre are.

Like, legitamately curious, Cormac.

[Lacusmagna]

STATEMENT FROM AMBASSADOR MURPHY

I might not entirely agree with his economic policies. But I do think that his heart is in the right place on social issues. And I cannot believe anyone would condemn him on "flip-flopping". This is pure rubbish on Lacusmagna's part. I think this resolution should be withdrawn. Change my mind!

[A Bloodred Moon]

Ah, just now seen the edit in your post.

Ah, the difference though is that those folks are -- or at least were at the time of passage -- popular. That's really all this is, the in-crowd backpatting other members of the in-crowd. It has no meaning at all, and the people who receive these commendations and condemnations aren't even the most accomplished players. In fact, many of them are extremely mediocre, and their mediocrity is why they've remained socially popular and get these badges. Many of the most accomplished players have been controversial, and thus they have neither a commendation nor a condemnation because the people who don't like them don't want to reward them with recognition.

Are you claiming that NES and Pierconium are "popular" but "mediocre"? That's an unfunny joke if I've ever heard one. And you're claiming that the most accomplished players are "controversial" - who, exactly? If they're so controversial, it shouldn't harm anyone to have some names. And are you claiming you're not popular, after you were voted for years as one of the most influential players in the game?

Depriving me, and others like me, of a commendation or condemnation is basically just the petty flailing of the mediocre, pleased that in this one instance they are able to beat those of us who have routinely been superior to them in every other game context.

Sounds like you're butthurt you didn't get one. I believe this reaction highlights a reason why the vote's failing in the first place, though. I doubt you are winning the hearts and minds of the SC with this petty reaction (this post, and your behaviour in other threads), but I somehow doubt you were out on doing so in the first place.

Personally, I don't need a badge to know I'm better at this game than these people. I've known it for years. They know it too, it's why they hate me.

I think this sums up your entire rant: you consider yourself above everyone else. If this is your reaction to not getting a badge, it leaves little to wonder why the vote turned out the way it did.

I don't think anyone can deny your achievements and accomplishments, Cormac. I think this post, as well as the post I just responded to, indicates the kind of behaviour that cost you either badge. Perhaps that is merely a personal opinion, or there is an entirely different reason why people vote against. Either way, you aren't doing yourself any favours with it.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Are you claiming that NES and Pierconium are "popular" but "mediocre"? That's an unfunny joke if I've ever heard one.

NES, yes. Pierconium is just mediocre, but not terribly popular. He was a bit more popular at the time that proposal passed though.

And you're claiming that the most accomplished players are "controversial" - who, exactly? If they're so controversial, it shouldn't harm anyone to have some names.

Take a look around and you'll see plenty of controversial players who have made an impact on this game for years but who lack a commendation or condemnation. Pope Hope is one. Onderkelkia is another. There are others, but hopefully dropping a couple names from very different spheres of gameplay will stop this insistence that I name names, like I had something to hide or didn't actually have any names to produce.

And are you claiming you're not popular, after you were voted for years as one of the most influential players in the game?

Are you claiming I am popular? Because you spend the entire rest of this post telling me I'm not...

Sounds like you're butthurt you didn't get one.

I'm really not. I am, at worst, mildly irritated that The North Pacific lied about their reasons for voting against the commendation proposal, and in the process insulted Jakker and his proposal writing skills because they didn't want to come out and admit they were motivated by petty dislike. Otherwise, I really don't care about having either badge. I've always known it was unlikely I would get either of them because while my enemies are singularly incapable of stopping me when it counts -- for example, when nearly all of gameplay was opposed to the second OFO coup, but absolutely unable to do anything to put an end to it -- they are quite good at sitting on Feeder and Sinker Delegacies to hoard WA power for themselves. So this outcome isn't a surprise to me. Don't mistake my longtime contempt for these people to mean I care about these badges. If I actually cared, I wouldn't be saying all this, I'd suck up for a while and wait patiently for gameplay's short attention span to move on sufficiently. But as it happens, I not only don't care about these badges, I don't even want recognition from the shithole that is "the gameplay community." They can keep their worthless shinies. I know what I've done.

I believe this reaction highlights a reason why the vote's failing in the first place, though. I doubt you are winning the hearts and minds of the SC with this petty reaction (this post, and your behaviour in other threads), but I somehow doubt you were out on doing so in the first place.

You're right, I wasn't out to win the hearts and minds of anyone. I have nothing but contempt for the vast majority of gameplayers, as well as their hearts and minds, neither of which seem to work properly for a large number of gameplayers a good amount of the time.

I think this sums up your entire rant: you consider yourself above everyone else. If this is your reaction to not getting a badge, it leaves little to wonder why the vote turned out the way it did.

I don't think anyone can deny your achievements and accomplishments, Cormac. I think this post, as well as the post I just responded to, indicates the kind of behaviour that cost you either badge. Perhaps that is merely a personal opinion, or there is an entirely different reason why people vote against. Either way, you aren't doing yourself any favours with it.

I consider myself above most gameplayers -- I wouldn't go so far as to say everyone else -- because I am better than most gameplayers. I am both better at this game and a better person in general than most gameplayers. I'm not shy about saying so, which should, once again, be a pretty good indication of how little I care about ever getting these badges. I stayed quiet and played nice so Jakker might have some shot at passing these proposals he worked hard to write, and I appreciate him writing them. Now that it's clear they're not passing, as I long suspected they wouldn't, I'm feeling free to tell everyone voting against -- and hell, some who are voting for -- exactly what I actually think of them, because I simply do not care if I ever get these badges.

In fact, to be crystal clear here, I don't want these badges. I don't want some sanitized commendation or condemnation that waters down what I've done and words it just right to meet with TNP's approval. That's the absolute last thing I want, and that's the only way either would ever pass. TNP's talk of a better worded commendation or condemnation has had me wondering if I can finish up what I'm doing in Thalassia, retire, and CTE fast enough to avoid whatever shitty commendation or condemnation one of their terrible badge-hunting authors like Bormiar might be cooking up, because I absolutely do not want a commendation or condemnation they would actually approve. Any proposal they would approve, I would find offensive.

I appreciate that, in the end, you conceded and agreed that the reason I'm not getting these badges is because I'm unpopular. I agree with you, that is the reason -- because I refuse to suck up to these people and pretend they're decent players or for that matter decent people. They disgust me. You disgust me, to be blunt, because of the people with whom you choose to associate, which says a lot about your own character. As you can see, I'm not trying to do myself any favors here. I don't want to do myself any favors with you or them. I have nothing but contempt for the lot of you, and if the feeling is mutual I'm very glad of that, because it means I'm doing something right. If most gameplayers liked me, I'd be truly worried what that says about me.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Remember thou art mortal.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Remember thou art mortal.

And since you decided to chime in here -- really, it's about time, I've been waiting for one of you to crawl out from under a rock -- let me be really clear to you, McMasterdonia, and Asta, among other former Miniluv folks who stabbed me in the back, that I have the absolute most contempt for you.

[Sedgistan]

Cormactopia Prime, *** 1 day ban for trolling and flaming *** for any number of these quotes from your above post:

"[...] the shithole that is "the gameplay community.""
"I have nothing but contempt for the vast majority of gameplayers, as well as their hearts and minds, neither of which seem to work properly for a large number of gameplayers a good amount of the time."
"I am both better at this game and a better person in general than most gameplayers."
"[...] I refuse to suck up to these people and pretend they're decent players or for that matter decent people. They disgust me. You disgust me, to be blunt, because of the people with whom you choose to associate, which says a lot about your own character. "

[Unibot III]

I think people should lay off Cormac in this thread. Emotions are running high. I know that Cormac said here that he isn't defined by a badge or an absence of one (and he's right), but it can still really hurt to have your contributions dismissed, especially if you suspect that this dismissal was politically-motivated.

Seven years ago, Osiris was a warzone. Its government was collapsing, the rule of law had fallen. You may not agree with everything that has developed out of Osiris over the past few years, but I find it hard to dispute that Cormac was an important founding member of a more successful, subsequent chapter in the history of Osiris. Today's Osiris is stable and secure; there is a government for residents to participate in, resources available, and laws that are upheld; Osiris didn't have that security and accessibility. If it were any other player in any other Game-Created Region, playing such a decisive role in the stabilization of a major game region that would be in and of itself enough to warrant a WA Commendation -- and that's without even considering Cormac's work in NS journalism, the WA, and foreign and cultural policy.

Someone should open up a working thread for a new draft for a commendation that answers the important questions: 1) What makes Cormac's NS contributions outstanding? 2) What story should a WA resolution tell in relation to Cormac? And if you voted against a resolution because you thought a text was "dull" and "unfitting for a player as unique as Cormac," I think you should contribute to the alternative draft.

My own opinion (worth even less than 2 cents these days, haha) is that trying to commend and condemn the subject overloaded the queue, confused messaging for non-gameplayers, and may have appeared self-important. I think only a commendation should be pursued in the future.

[Bormiar]

In fact, to be crystal clear here, I don't want these badges. I don't want some sanitized commendation or condemnation that waters down what I've done and words it just right to meet with TNP's approval. That's the absolute last thing I want, and that's the only way either would ever pass. TNP's talk of a better worded commendation or condemnation has had me wondering if I can finish up what I'm doing in Thalassia, retire, and CTE fast enough to avoid whatever shitty commendation or condemnation one of their terrible badge-hunting authors like Bormiar might be cooking up, because I absolutely do not want a commendation or condemnation they would actually approve. Any proposal they would approve, I would find offensive.

Heh. I don't care if people think I'm a badgehunter, but I'm certainly not "TNP's author". I write whatever the hell I want -- even if I don't think it'll pass -- and the SC (as well as TNP) happen to like it. I don't ask for TNP's validation. I debate there for my proposal's just like a do in TRR, 10KI, TEP, TWP, WALL, TSP, TP, the World Assembly discord server, and the NSGP server-- all in equal measure, which is to say: as much as possible.

Defenders, and, to a broader scale, GPers, have control over SC authorship, not TNP. Who's authoring the proposals means a hell of a lot more than what blocs there are, considering the simple numbers: WALL can't make anything if all that ever gets into the SC is written by a 10KIer.

And that's not to say that authors should write for TNP just to "balance things". TNP needs no scapegoat. However, if you're in the interest of balancing power, the best way is to have more authors not confined to regional ideology or particular genre of the game-- something which can't happen if 99% of nominees are mediocre. Onderkelkia and Pope Hope aren't commended/condemned because nobody's gotten around to it. You (and Auralia as another example) aren't commended because of posts like these.

So I have no interest in wasting my time on a proposal which would just be ignorant of your tactless behavior. It really is quite disappointing.

Edit: there's also a massive leap in logic to suggest that TNP was initially against your commendation because of your behavior against it.

[The Church of Satan]

Unibot is right. It's a god damn disappointment really that neither proposal passed. To be honest both really should have passed. I know that coming from me it means immeasurably less than nothing to Cormac, but he's earned both several times over. And nobody likes to see their contributions dismissed. Especially over politics when merit demands the recognition.

[Praeceps]

As if Gameplay needed any more nails in its coffin...

I hope the short-sighted pettiness was worth the long-term damage.

You do realize that many voters are not involved in GP and would happily see GP die?

I'm really not sure your argument is as convincing as you think it might be.

[Unibot III]

As if Gameplay needed any more nails in its coffin...

I hope the short-sighted pettiness was worth the long-term damage.

You do realize that many voters are not involved in GP and would happily see GP die?

I'm really not sure your argument is as convincing as you think it might be.

I think the WA has and will continue to recognize outstanding contributions from all areas of the game, including GP, II, NS Sports etc. This more seems like a case of GP politics and controversy getting in the way of commending an accomplished gameplayer rather than a statement on NS Gameplay itself.

We've seen this before. Glen-Rhodes, who contributed a lot to the WA, had his first SC commendation shot down over politics - the authors hunkered down, redrafted and submitted a second, successful commendation. It happened again with Benevolent Thomas (whose first commendation was shot down), it happened with Sciongrad (whose first commendation was also shot down), and Astarial, and McMasterdonia....

In my opinion, this is a time for reassessment of the original text. Let cooler heads prevail.