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[Draft] Condemn Cormactopia Prime

Postby Jakker City » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:36 pm

This Condemnation proposal is intended to go alongside Sev's Commendation proposal (whenever he gets around to posting a draft) in the hopes of Condemning and Commending Cormac.

The Security Council,

Declaring that the nation of Cormactopia Prime has altered their allegiances many times and has double-crossed several regions, which has led to this nominee being involved in many dangerous actions that has negatively impacted regional sovereignty,

Shocked by Cormactopia Prime’s direct involvement in two successful coups of Osiris, removal of former government officials, and establishing new governments that met this nominee's own interests,

Detailing that due to those coups, the Sekhmet Legion, the first regional military in Osiris that exclusively focused on raiding, was established and still exists to this day,

Further detailing that Cormactopia Prime served as the first commander of the Sekhmet Legion and led an occupation of Soviet Union for the purpose of antagonizing the Founderless Regions Alliance, and the refounding of Islamic Republics of Iran,

Appalled by this nation’s attempted coup d'état of The Rejected Realms because of their disagreement with The Rejected Realms’ policies on individual rights and freedom of speech,

Acting as the leading producer of the Miniluv Messenger, Cormactopia Prime has declared themselves as the “Big Brother” disrupting other regions by determining their own regard of integrity and spotlighting internal workings of regional governance to the larger NationStates multiverse that counters the nominee's personal values. These publications have included:

  • In 2014, highlighting disagreements and debates between nations who engage in defending as a means to further divide this unified movement of stopping raiding,
  • In 2015, spotlighting contention in The South Pacific between current and former government officials after disagreement arose from the results of an election,

Acknowledging Cormactopia Prime’s participation in multiple raiding organizations such as serving as the founder of Asgard, General of The Brotherhood of Malice and a Corporal in The Black Hawks,

Further acknowledging that Cormactopia Prime took over the delegacy of St Abbaddon in a 2014 Brotherhood of Malice raid which not only required this Security Council to pass a Liberation resolution, but they also used the raid as leverage on Frattastan IV, the delegate of The Rejected Realms (TRR) at the time, to extort restricts on how TRR handled their regional newspaper,

Highlighting that in 2012, as a member of Asgard, the nominee led an occupation of the region, Christmas, for over three weeks that led to this Security Council needing to step in to pass the Liberation resolution, Liberate Christmas,

Noting that Cormactopia Prime has already been banned from multiple regions for their antagonistic actions over the years,

Affirming that this nominee has continuously engaged in practices to insert their own personal values into other regions which has diminished sovereignty and should not be tolerated,

Hereby Condemns Cormactopia Prime.
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:08 pm

Jakker City wrote:
The Security Council,

Declaring that the nation of Cormactopia Prime has altered their allegiances many times and has double-crossed several regions,

Solid introduction, I feel.

Recognizing that their history of changing values and at times, double-agency, has led to this nominee being involved in many dangerous actions that has negatively impacted regional sovereignty,

But I think having the introduction in a single clause is better.

E.g.
Admonishing Cormactopia Prime for its volatility and ever-changing allegiances, which have encouraged the vile nation to back-stab allies, fake consistent ethics, and favor its own political gain over regional sovereignty and security,


Shocked by Cormactopia Prime’s direct involvement in two successful coups of Osiris, removal of former government officials, and establishing new governments that met this nominee's own interests,

This might get some flak, as many of those coups were beneficial (afaik), including the creation of the first OFO, and the second OFO is currently in power. You don't want Osi voting against a condemn Cormac.

But I think it's fine to say that couping wasn't the best way of fixing Osiris, as creating the OFO can still go in the commendation.

Detailing that due to those coups, the Sekhmet Legion, the first regional military in Osiris that exclusively focused on raiding, was established,

Again, this might get some flak for being the current military and having not just been created by Cormac, but also authorized by Asta. Maybe rephrase it to say "made Osiris raider".

Further detailing that Cormactopia Prime served as the first commander of the Sekhmet Legion and led an occupation of Soviet Union for the purpose of antagonizing the Founderless Regions Alliance, and the refounding of Islamic Republics of Iran,

Absolutely fine.

Appalled by this nation’s attempted coup d'état of The Rejected Realms because of their disagreement with The Rejected Realms’ handling of another nation’s placement within the region,

You're referring to this? Maybe just put all of the (failed) incursions into their own clause on belligerencies.

Serving as the leading producer of the Miniluv Messenger, Cormactopia Prime has declared themselves as the “Big Brother” disrupting other regions by determining their own regard of integrity and spotlighting internal workings of regional governance to the larger NationStates multiverse that counters the nominee's personal values. These publications have included:

  • In 2014, highlighting disagreements and debates between nations who engage in defending as a means to further divide this unified movement of stopping raiding,
  • In 2015, spotlighting contention in The South Pacific between current and former government officials after disagreement arose from the results of an election,

Make sure to rephrase this to not condemn Miniluv, but rather some of its articles, so as to avoid not allowing Miniluv to be in the commendation.

Additionally, the first word of a proposal states the SC's stance, so "serving" doesn't work here.

Scolding Cormactopia Prime for their "big brother" surveillance on NationStates, which include using their respectable Miniluv Publication to leak... [the rest would be easy as it's some derivation of your clause]
  • In 2014, highlighting disagreements and debates between nations who engage in defending as a means to further divide this unified movement of stopping raiding,
  • In 2015, spotlighting contention in The South Pacific between current and former government officials after disagreement arose from the results of an election,


Acknowledging Cormactopia Prime’s participation in multiple raiding organizations such as serving as the founder of Asgard, General of The Brotherhood of Malice and a Corporal in The Black Hawks,

+ LKE foreign secretary + having headed Balder's military.

Further acknowledging that Cormactopia Prime took over the delegacy of St Abbaddon in a 2014 Brotherhood of Malice raid which not only required this Security Council to pass a Liberation resolution, but they also used the raid as leverage on Frattastan IV, the delegate of The Rejected Realms (TRR) at the time, to extort restricts on how TRR handled their regional newspaper,

Highlighting that in 2012, as a member of Asgard, the nominee led an occupation of the region, Christmas, for over three weeks that led to this Security Council needing to step in to pass the Liberation resolution, Liberate Christmas,

All good.


I had half a draft of this going, but I think I'll just write finish the commend to go along with this- probably by tomorrow (I'll wake up early as it's late now), or Thursday (saying here so I actually have to do it lol). I don't trust it when people say they'll write a draft for a very popular candidate, and I'd like the commend and condemn to be enacted simultaneously- it just feels right.
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Postby Jakker City » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:21 pm

Bormiar wrote:I had half a draft of this going, but I think I'll just write finish the commend to go along with this- probably by tomorrow (I'll wake up early as it's late now), or Thursday (saying here so I actually have to do it lol). I don't trust it when people say they'll write a draft for a very popular candidate, and I'd like the commend and condemn to be enacted simultaneously- it just feels right.


As far as I know, Sev does have a commendation draft basically ready for posting and we purposely collaborated to ensure that the commendation/condemnation combo was possible. I would encourage you to reach out to him about it.
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:24 pm

Jakker City wrote:
Bormiar wrote:I had half a draft of this going, but I think I'll just write finish the commend to go along with this- probably by tomorrow (I'll wake up early as it's late now), or Thursday (saying here so I actually have to do it lol). I don't trust it when people say they'll write a draft for a very popular candidate, and I'd like the commend and condemn to be enacted simultaneously- it just feels right.


As far as I know, Sev does have a commendation draft basically ready for posting and we purposely collaborated to ensure that the commendation/condemnation combo was possible. I would encourage you to reach out to him about it.

Gotcha, tged.
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Postby Agent Life » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:14 am

As much as we enjoy the company, we probably shouldn’t condemn people for being stupid enough to raid Soviet Union. Their affliction is not their fault.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:33 am

I'm not sure whether a mention of Cormac's involvement in the rogue Delegacy of United Russoasia in TWP should go in the Condemn or Commend.

URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.
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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:02 am

Recognizing that their history of changing values and at times, double-agency, has led to this nominee being involved in many dangerous actions that has negatively impacted regional sovereignty,

Shocked by Cormactopia Prime’s direct involvement in two successful coups of Osiris, removal of former government officials, and establishing new governments that met this nominee's own interests,

I would suggest condemning Tim as well then, considering he helped Cormac coup Osiris the second time.

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Postby Flanderlion » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:24 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I'm not sure whether a mention of Cormac's involvement in the rogue Delegacy of United Russoasia in TWP should go in the Condemn or Commend.

URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.

Was it not the other way? Influence was out after Elegarth was relocated so it was given to Cormac, he figured out there was no influence so decided to play saviour of TWP?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:13 am

Flanderlion wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I'm not sure whether a mention of Cormac's involvement in the rogue Delegacy of United Russoasia in TWP should go in the Condemn or Commend.

URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.

Was it not the other way? Influence was out after Elegarth was relocated so it was given to Cormac, he figured out there was no influence so decided to play saviour of TWP?

Cormac personally maintains that he only ever participated in it in the interest of handing the region back over.
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Postby The Kodyoshki » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:46 am

https://www.nationstates.net/region=thalassia
Cormactopia resides in this region. I have informed the members of thalassia of his threat.

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Postby Badivermeraed » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 am

The Kodyoshki wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/region=thalassia
Cormactopia resides in this region. I have informed the members of thalassia of his threat.


Given how he founded the region, I see no threat. I know Cormac and I am in contact with him daily, so you can stop spreading this doomsday speech.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:55 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.

He could have moved the nation out and scrambled the password instead of giving it back to Knot, that would have been more helpful.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:10 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.

He could have moved the nation out and scrambled the password instead of giving it back to Knot, that would have been more helpful.

From memory Cormac told me that he’d promised Knot that he would return URA to him, which he did. Mind you his last post in control of URA was a bit of a raspberry to DEN.

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Flanderlion wrote:Was it not the other way? Influence was out after Elegarth was relocated so it was given to Cormac, he figured out there was no influence so decided to play saviour of TWP?

Actually URA’s influence was pretty much shot prior to this. Wickedly Evil People had goaded URA (as URA) into banjecting him, using up a load of influence. Getting rid of Elegarth was the icing on the cake. If URA had thought it through then DEN’s occupation could have been longer, but WEP, myself and a couple of others could always rile him up.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:18 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:URA handed over control of his nation to Knot, which allowed DEN into the region. However, Knot gave it to Cormac on a caretaker basis. So nominally Cormac was coupling TWP, but was actually acting in our interests by running down URA's influence while in control. When he handed back control of URA Knot was unable to do anything with out so DEN left.

He could have moved the nation out and scrambled the password instead of giving it back to Knot, that would have been more helpful.

I resigned it from the World Assembly, for the record. That was about as good as moving it out, given its influence was close to zero as well.

I don't care whether this is included in a condemnation, mind you. There are plenty of people who think I had villainous motives with all that, and plenty of people who don't. Only I actually know for sure. I'm just saying, let's be accurate about what I did and didn't do. :P
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:06 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:He could have moved the nation out and scrambled the password instead of giving it back to Knot, that would have been more helpful.

I resigned it from the World Assembly, for the record. That was about as good as moving it out, given its influence was close to zero as well.

I don't care whether this is included in a condemnation, mind you. There are plenty of people who think I had villainous motives with all that, and plenty of people who don't. Only I actually know for sure. I'm just saying, let's be accurate about what I did and didn't do. :P

The point I was originally trying to make, before getting distracted into the detail, was that your actions could be included in either a Condemn or a Commend or even both, because as you say different people have a different take on your motives.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:27 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The point I was originally trying to make, before getting distracted into the detail, was that your actions could be included in either a Condemn or a Commend or even both, because as you say different people have a different take on your motives.

Yep, I'd basically agree with that.
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Postby Kanaia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:01 pm

Good to see that Cormac's bootlicking in all of Jakker's recent proposals is being rewarded.
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Postby Jakker City » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 am

Kanaia wrote:Good to see that Cormac's bootlicking in all of Jakker's recent proposals is being rewarded.


This proposal was written before any comments that Cormac made. :P I also do not wear boots. I wear Adidas Originals Stan Smith like Obama.
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Regarding the section on TRR, it is better described as a disagreement with the region's policies on personal freedoms, individual rights or freedom of speech. Possibly all three.
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Postby Jakker City » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:15 am

The Church of Satan wrote:Regarding the section on TRR, it is better described as a disagreement with the region's policies on personal freedoms, individual rights or freedom of speech. Possibly all three.


I will make sure to take a look at that section to see how best to word it.

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Agarntrop wrote:Strongly Opposed

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Postby Wabbitslayah » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:03 am

That Cormac guy deserves a condemnation and a commendation. >:(

I will not rest until he recieves the Justice he deserves. :evil:
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:16 pm

Wabbitslayah wrote:That Cormac guy deserves a condemnation and a commendation. >:(

I will not rest until he recieves the Justice he deserves. :evil:

He actually does. He has done more than enough to earn both.

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Postby Twins of Hearts » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:22 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Wabbitslayah wrote:That Cormac guy deserves a condemnation and a commendation. >:(

I will not rest until he recieves the Justice he deserves. :evil:

He actually does. He has done more than enough to earn both.


Like commenting in a snarky way as often as possible? Can that be incorporated? He does that often as well.

This hug fest for Cormac is undeserved and I can only hope the feeders kill the proposals, knowing he is not worth either badge.

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