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Postby Kuriko » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:24 am

Maybe it is time to have an honest repeal in order to shut them up finally and hopefully return to some normalcy in the SC and GP.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:29 am

Kuriko wrote:Maybe it is time to have an honest repeal in order to shut them up finally and hopefully return to some normalcy in the SC and GP.

"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

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Postby Krvava Koupel » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:36 am

Bormiar wrote:Wavering support on this one. I've talked to some of the more sensible CCD members and ex-members, and many of them have told me that they first noticed/joined CCD because of the controversy on the forums. I'm also sick of seeing a lot of activity on this subforum, hoping for something interesting, and only seeing that a thread blew up because the thread mentioned CCD or the author was CCD or the author's dog's friend was CCD or the author's region had an embassy with CCD.

However, I doubt that the CCDers would quit the crap they put on the forum because they have one less thing on their checklist. Should we not be afraid of more "Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" or "Commend Jocospor" spam?

Boda wrote:Well I mean, is he wrong that newer nations have less experience?


Yes. Population isn't a good measure of experience.


As fun as it would be to jokingly make those proposals, the entire CCD, including I, know that those would never pass. I mean we get turned down solely for being in the CCD. As someone who posts very little on the forums, I don’t see why that would be a huge threat. Our proposals never go through. But I’m someone that very few outside the region know of, so how can you tell who I am based on my regional location? I mean I can tel you one thing; I joined the CCD purely for the Roleplay aspect. I built myself a legacy on this region for the RPs I’ve joined and hosted. Ask one of the many active members in this region. So please, enlighten me with how you can tell who I am and what I believe just purely based on my region alone. Tell me how you can prove who anyone really is based on the region alone. Yes I do realize I changed the subject, but it is a topic that has come to play in my almost 2 years of playing this game. And I’ll let anyone answer this question. Enlighten me.
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:44 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Maybe it is time to have an honest repeal in order to shut them up finally and hopefully return to some normalcy in the SC and GP.

"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

Yep, I do. Whether IC or OOC fascist, fascism is bad and even pretend fascism attracts real fascists. Which I'm guessing there are a few in CCD, which at least would make y'all fascist sympathizers for allowing them to stay in your region.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:02 am

Kuriko wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

Yep, I do. Whether IC or OOC fascist, fascism is bad and even pretend fascism attracts real fascists. Which I'm guessing there are a few in CCD, which at least would make y'all fascist sympathizers for allowing them to stay in your region.

Just because some of our members are fascist doesn't mean all are fascist. I myself am not a fascist as both fascism and communism are banned in my nation. You know nothing about the APH and you don't know me. My nation is conservative not fascist so please know the difference.
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:25 am

Krvava Koupel wrote:As fun as it would be to jokingly make those proposals, the entire CCD, including I, know that those would never pass. I mean we get turned down solely for being in the CCD. As someone who posts very little on the forums, I don’t see why that would be a huge threat. Our proposals never go through. But I’m someone that very few outside the region know of, so how can you tell who I am based on my regional location? I mean I can tel you one thing; I joined the CCD purely for the Roleplay aspect. I built myself a legacy on this region for the RPs I’ve joined and hosted. Ask one of the many active members in this region. So please, enlighten me with how you can tell who I am and what I believe just purely based on my region alone. Tell me how you can prove who anyone really is based on the region alone. Yes I do realize I changed the subject, but it is a topic that has come to play in my almost 2 years of playing this game. And I’ll let anyone answer this question. Enlighten me.

Who the hell are you talking to? I for one said nothing about that, and even used “sensible” to describe some CCD members I know. You’re arguing with a straw man.
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Postby Makdon67 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:25 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Maybe it is time to have an honest repeal in order to shut them up finally and hopefully return to some normalcy in the SC and GP.

"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

That’s completely unrelated

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Postby Xoriet » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:29 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Maybe it is time to have an honest repeal in order to shut them up finally and hopefully return to some normalcy in the SC and GP.

"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

I can see nobody actually took notes from Imperial Germany's display of actual redeeming values in the other thread. Seriously, Kuriko even said an honest repeal to make it stop was a thing and you made this about things that CCD did that totally validate Kuriko's statements on the topic of CCD and fascism. Also the CCD propaganda at the end. Just appoint Imperial Germany your PR guy and stop the rest of you from posting. :p
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:30 am

Makdon67 wrote:That’s completely unrelated

It tries to state Kuri’s opinions for her. It’s not just an ad hominem. It’s a confusing one.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Boda » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:44 am

Krvava Koupel wrote:
Bormiar wrote:Wavering support on this one. I've talked to some of the more sensible CCD members and ex-members, and many of them have told me that they first noticed/joined CCD because of the controversy on the forums. I'm also sick of seeing a lot of activity on this subforum, hoping for something interesting, and only seeing that a thread blew up because the thread mentioned CCD or the author was CCD or the author's dog's friend was CCD or the author's region had an embassy with CCD.

However, I doubt that the CCDers would quit the crap they put on the forum because they have one less thing on their checklist. Should we not be afraid of more "Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" or "Commend Jocospor" spam?



Yes. Population isn't a good measure of experience.


As fun as it would be to jokingly make those proposals, the entire CCD, including I, know that those would never pass. I mean we get turned down solely for being in the CCD. As someone who posts very little on the forums, I don’t see why that would be a huge threat. Our proposals never go through. But I’m someone that very few outside the region know of, so how can you tell who I am based on my regional location? I mean I can tel you one thing; I joined the CCD purely for the Roleplay aspect. I built myself a legacy on this region for the RPs I’ve joined and hosted. Ask one of the many active members in this region. So please, enlighten me with how you can tell who I am and what I believe just purely based on my region alone. Tell me how you can prove who anyone really is based on the region alone. Yes I do realize I changed the subject, but it is a topic that has come to play in my almost 2 years of playing this game. And I’ll let anyone answer this question. Enlighten me.

Ok. Ur in a region that's like full of democracies and when someone rps as a communist nation they get banned, it's democratic or has democratic sympathizers. You're welcome.
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Postby Krvava Koupel » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:53 am

Boda wrote:
Krvava Koupel wrote:
As fun as it would be to jokingly make those proposals, the entire CCD, including I, know that those would never pass. I mean we get turned down solely for being in the CCD. As someone who posts very little on the forums, I don’t see why that would be a huge threat. Our proposals never go through. But I’m someone that very few outside the region know of, so how can you tell who I am based on my regional location? I mean I can tel you one thing; I joined the CCD purely for the Roleplay aspect. I built myself a legacy on this region for the RPs I’ve joined and hosted. Ask one of the many active members in this region. So please, enlighten me with how you can tell who I am and what I believe just purely based on my region alone. Tell me how you can prove who anyone really is based on the region alone. Yes I do realize I changed the subject, but it is a topic that has come to play in my almost 2 years of playing this game. And I’ll let anyone answer this question. Enlighten me.

Ok. Ur in a region that's like full of democracies and when someone rps as a communist nation they get banned, it's democratic or has democratic sympathizers. You're welcome.


We don’t ban people for being communist. In fact it adds flare to our region and its RPs and considering the fact that we’re called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, I don’t see where you get IC Democrats. OOC were very politically diverse, and don’t care if you’re right or left wing. As long as you’re not extremist. Plus, we’re talking about the region being dubbed a bunch of fascists or nazis if I’m correct that’s not very democratic.
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Postby Boda » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:56 am

Krvava Koupel wrote:
Boda wrote:Ok. Ur in a region that's like full of democracies and when someone rps as a communist nation they get banned, it's democratic or has democratic sympathizers. You're welcome.


We don’t ban people for being communist. In fact it adds flare to our region and its RPs and considering the fact that we’re called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, I don’t see where you get IC Democrats. OOC were very politically diverse, and don’t care if you’re right or left wing. As long as you’re not extremist. Plus, we’re talking about the region being dubbed a bunch of fascists or nazis if I’m correct that’s not very democratic.

Should've said it was an example. :)
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:11 am

Krvava Koupel wrote:We don’t ban people for being communist. In fact it adds flare to our region and its RPs and considering the fact that we’re called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, I don’t see where you get IC Democrats. OOC were very politically diverse, and don’t care if you’re right or left wing. As long as you’re not extremist. Plus, we’re talking about the region being dubbed a bunch of fascists or nazis if I’m correct that’s not very democratic.


Bormiar wrote:Who the hell are you talking to? I for one said nothing about that, and even used “sensible” to describe some CCD members I know. You’re arguing with a straw man.

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Postby Krvava Koupel » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:19 am

Bormiar wrote:
Krvava Koupel wrote:We don’t ban people for being communist. In fact it adds flare to our region and its RPs and considering the fact that we’re called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, I don’t see where you get IC Democrats. OOC were very politically diverse, and don’t care if you’re right or left wing. As long as you’re not extremist. Plus, we’re talking about the region being dubbed a bunch of fascists or nazis if I’m correct that’s not very democratic.


Bormiar wrote:Who the hell are you talking to? I for one said nothing about that, and even used “sensible” to describe some CCD members I know. You’re arguing with a straw man.

This is a legitimate problem for me. Please don't ignore/miss it.


Right right My apologies. The tangent wasn’t for you but I didn’t want to make 2 posts for it. The first part is for you. It would be fun to make those proposals but they’d never go through considering every ounce of the ccd is hated. I wish to not start an argument, as I have no grudge against anyone at the moment.
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Postby Blood Wine » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:51 am

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Blood Wine wrote:This proposal pisses off nazi's, so why repeal it, opposed

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American Pere Housh wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Yep, I do. Whether IC or OOC fascist, fascism is bad and even pretend fascism attracts real fascists. Which I'm guessing there are a few in CCD, which at least would make y'all fascist sympathizers for allowing them to stay in your region.

Just because some of our members are fascist doesn't mean all are fascist. I myself am not a fascist as both fascism and communism are banned in my nation. You know nothing about the APH and you don't know me. My nation is conservative not fascist so please know the difference.

I didn't say you personally were, now did I? I said CCD and members of CCD, so why don't you try reading my post before responding like your the victim of an OOC attack when it wasn't.
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Postby Makdon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:51 am

Bormiar wrote:
Makdon67 wrote:That’s completely unrelated

It tries to state Kuri’s opinions for her. It’s not just an ad hominem. It’s a confusing one.

sure, but such opinions aren't the point of the discussion at hand
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:29 am

Makdon wrote:
Bormiar wrote:It tries to state Kuri’s opinions for her. It’s not just an ad hominem. It’s a confusing one.

sure, but such opinions aren't the point of the discussion at hand

I was agreeing with you.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:02 pm

If I do have one complaint, it's the lack of capital letters in the thread title.

On a more helpful note, it may be good to be more explicit in agreeing with reasoning for passing it originally (don't need to agree with how it was gone about, particularly since I know you don't).
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Postby Morover » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:30 pm

OOC:

Incredibly tentative support. While I honestly agree with the concept of the repeal (and even have advocated for it in the past), I don't think such a repeal should go through until they at least get their act together. It is conflicting, because it is seen as a badge of honor to some, but I know some find it incredibly irritating. Perhaps if they do get their shit together, they could even go for a condemnation.

One thing I would like to see here is concern over the dangers of offensive liberations, and a commentary on the dangerous precedent the target participates in (but that's just me).

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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:22 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:This proposal pisses off nazi's, so why repeal it, opposed

It’s a confusing situation, some hate it and some embrace it. It’s weird


OOC: This liberation is one of the most fascinating resolutions passed by the WA in my opinion. It was first passed as hopes to teach the CCD a lesson, instead, we used it as an advertisement board. And yet we wished to repeal it, and it brought in more people to our region.

The NGSP, despite seeing this, didn't wish to repeal as all the repeals before now was written by the CCD, hence playing themselves into the CCD's hands as more publicity, but in the depths of the Discord, many wished to genuinely repeal it. But due to the nature of the CCD writing a repeal for their liberation, it made their bias clear in their writings. And it strengthened the NGSP's resolve to not allow such a resolution to pass. And yet, many still tried to pass a repeal.

It's weird really, we were genuinely trying to remove one of our greatest tools but instead - due to NGSP seeing a CCD member write a repeal for the liberation of the CCD - we indirectly used it correctly, the same way Jocospor would have wanted us to use it.
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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:26 am

Xoriet wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:"Says the one that constantly accuses us of being fascist when when it isn't true. The Confederation will always prevail in the end."

I can see nobody actually took notes from Imperial Germany's display of actual redeeming values in the other thread. Seriously, Kuriko even said an honest repeal to make it stop was a thing and you made this about things that CCD did that totally validate Kuriko's statements on the topic of CCD and fascism. Also the CCD propaganda at the end. Just appoint Imperial Germany your PR guy and stop the rest of you from posting. :p


OOC:

Some of us did, APH didn't read the last thread though...
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Postby Xoriet » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:52 am

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:
Xoriet wrote:I can see nobody actually took notes from Imperial Germany's display of actual redeeming values in the other thread. Seriously, Kuriko even said an honest repeal to make it stop was a thing and you made this about things that CCD did that totally validate Kuriko's statements on the topic of CCD and fascism. Also the CCD propaganda at the end. Just appoint Imperial Germany your PR guy and stop the rest of you from posting. :p


OOC:

Some of us did, APH didn't read the last thread though...

Try linking that post instead of the posts that you guys find amusing. It's a good example of what Gameplay actually finds sincere. :)
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