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Postby Roavin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:36 pm

Novae Romae wrote:Ok, I already apologized, no need to get so hostile. Calm down.


I could have said it a bit more calmly, fair, but there's something about "deliberately taking the less reputable answer (that turns out to just be thinly veiled advertising) because it happens to suits my argument" that really irks me.

Novae Romae wrote:Edit: viewtopic.php?p=16394954&sid=4ffe43d9b48be264a3b694b49e7ed9f9#p16394954

Privacy violation: Players on NationStates have a reasonable expectation that their privacy will be respected. It is not permitted to post or otherwise share another player's personally-identifying information (i.e. social media accounts, IP addresses, postal addresses, E-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other real-world identifying information).


...yes? Not a mod, but just thinking logically, IP addresses are not to be shared but for the simple reason that they may (but not always do) provide a rough geographical location, and it should be up to each player to decide if they want to reveal any of that "openly".
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:52 pm

Why are you still arguing about this? That rule only applies to the NS site.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:15 pm

Use of 'Internet Protocol addresses' by name would seem a R4 violation to me, in that I can't think of any reasonable way that can be used in reference to any nation or isn't speaking of the game as a game.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:42 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Use of 'Internet Protocol addresses' by name would seem a R4 violation to me, in that I can't think of any reasonable way that can be used in reference to any nation or isn't speaking of the game as a game.

I agree. It’s either a real world reference (4a) or a game reference (4c). Either way I think it makes the proposal illegal as it stands.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:51 am

Safer to remove it, especially if more paranoid people vote against
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Postby Syberis » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:40 am

Novae Romae wrote:
Privacy violation: Players on NationStates have a reasonable expectation that their privacy will be respected. It is not permitted to post or otherwise share another player's personally-identifying information (i.e. social media accounts, IP addresses, postal addresses, E-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other real-world identifying information).


Okay, This is largely to cover the collective asses of NS as a whole. The rules listed don't apply to offsite property, including forums, and sharing of IP addresses has protected entire communities multiple times per year since it started becoming common practice.

Is the system ideal? Actually, yes, as we as a community don't have a shared administrative staff, but shared members of communities. Discussion between administrative staff of security concerns, including IP addresses of dangerous actors, is actually necessary. Does the system exist to help make sure people don't harm other people, and has done so dozens of times? Also Yes.

Even then, it's not really "Your" IP address. It's an easy way of referring to it, but it's much closer to "The IP Address you're using at the time." There's not a heck of a lot tying it to you except in very specific circumstances that a random user probably isn't running into. Legitimate users probably accumulate a few dozen IP addresses from normal use in a given year. Depending on the location, that number could be a few hundred.

For example, the best you could get from snagging my "Home IP address" is a four-town radius covering a couple hundred thousand people, and potentially the metropolis near me as well. It's actually less identifiable than knowing someone's first name with no other information.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:26 am

I see no reason why that couldn’t be removed from the proposal, or substituted for more general terms about AWPs commitment to the regional security of innocent regions.

Thanks Sargon Reman for considering our region for a commendation and all your work on this. As a long-standing member of AWP I’m glad our regions legacy has sustained itself long enough to be considered for this more than a decade after the ‘height’ of our power. This is a proud moment for all those who have contributed to it (and there are many) and those from outside the region who have been an extension of our community over the years, regardless of the outcome of this proposal!
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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:31 am

Numero Capitan wrote:I see no reason why that couldn’t be removed from the proposal, or substituted for more general terms about AWPs commitment to the regional security of innocent regions.

Thanks Sargon Reman for considering our region for a commendation and all your work on this. As a long-standing member of AWP I’m glad our regions legacy has sustained itself long enough to be considered for this more than a decade after the ‘height’ of our power. This is a proud moment for all those who have contributed to it (and there are many) and those from outside the region who have been an extension of our community over the years, regardless of the outcome of this proposal!

The IP section has been removed from the proposal and I will try to substitute it with something else that is wonderful about AWP later today. :)
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Postby Bormiar » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:30 am

Maybe it keeps a dossier of “known foreign operatives and spies” along with their faces so they can be identified easily. Sure that’s movie logic but it holds verisimilitude with NS and makes sense.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:42 pm

Updated with additional subclause under "PRAISING":

- The infiltration of DEN, The Brotherhood of Blood, Lone Wolves United, Grand Central, The Black Hawks, The New Inquisition, The Black Riders, Commonwealth, New Folsom where intelligence agents substantially undermined organizational operations overwhelmingly to the benefit of the international community,
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Postby Aclion » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:46 am

Sargon Reman wrote:Updated with additional subclause under "PRAISING":

- The infiltration of DEN, The Brotherhood of Blood, Lone Wolves United, Grand Central, The Black Hawks, The New Inquisition, The Black Riders, Commonwealth, New Folsom where intelligence agents substantially undermined organizational operations overwhelmingly to the benefit of the international community,

I suggest including something about why undermining those organisations is a good thing.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:07 am

Added in the IMPRESSED clause. I will likely submit this soon after doing some more checks.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:18 pm

Apart from their efforts against the Lewis and Clark coup in The North Pacific, 00000 A World Power has been a thoroughly unremarkable region, barely a footnote in NationStates history. This looks like just more defender back-patting based pretty much exclusively on the fact the region is defender.

Absolutely opposed.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:02 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Apart from their efforts against the Lewis and Clark coup in The North Pacific, 00000 A World Power has been a thoroughly unremarkable region, barely a footnote in NationStates history. This looks like just more defender back-patting based pretty much exclusively on the fact the region is defender.

Absolutely opposed.


If we're so thoroughly unremarkable that even Mr Petulant can't avoid a caveat then we must be doing something right.

Very pleased to see that AWP has been considered for this nomination, but it's a shame this has only come when so many of the great nations who made AWP what it was in its heyday are not around to see it. It says something that the region with the noob-iest name in the game ever found a way to warrant consideration for a commendation - whether enough nations in 2020 think we are worthy is entirely up to them.

Also proud of the fact that AWP was its own entity that reached out to GCRs to support them and became a regular point of call (and in some cases a second home) for so many we treated as enemies on the battlefield - even for those who came to AWP to undermine us and our allies but found themselves a great community they wanted to stay part of.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:12 am

Bowzin wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:"- Creating and maintaining a library of over 10,000 unique Internet Protocol addresses for the purposes of border control that has been utilised by a wide range of regions across the world,"

Commend them for sharing people's IPs :clap:

Yeah, while I get how it can help security, IPs should be shared between admins on a case by case basis, ensuring the admin receiving the IP is trustworthy, and that there is a valid reason for the share...Not a fan of a giant library of people's IPs

EDIT: If Kuriko is right, then this is fine, but need clarification

You say that now, but that was then in an era where spying and infiltrating was the norm and people destroying forums was the norm. Gaining IPs was part of the game on all sides.

It's barely necessary now, except for usually blacklisted players. Then was a different era, and in AWP's case, stuff like that wasn't used for ill.
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Postby Anime Daisuki » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:46 am

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