by Sargon Reman » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:08 pm
by Munkcestrian Republic » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:11 pm
by Kuriko » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:18 pm
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:"- Creating and maintaining a library of over 10,000 unique Internet Protocol addresses for the purposes of border control that has been utilised by a wide range of regions across the world,"
Commend them for sharing people's IPs
by Bowzin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:24 pm
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:"- Creating and maintaining a library of over 10,000 unique Internet Protocol addresses for the purposes of border control that has been utilised by a wide range of regions across the world,"
Commend them for sharing people's IPs
by Numero Capitan » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:34 am
by The JELLEAIN Republic » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:41 am
And how exactly would they collect those ips ? NationStates is a handshake server game, right ?Numero Capitan wrote:For clarity, the library was held offline by two people and was never shared or public. Other regions admins would approach us with an IP to search for matches, in cases where they had suspicions that the person wasn’t who they said they were.
It was never used for anything other than good administration, counter-Intelligence and border control and identified countless spies and unwanted individuals at a time when espionage was much more widespread.
by Novae Romae » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:54 am
Numero Capitan wrote:For clarity, the library was held offline by two people and was never shared or public. Other regions admins would approach us with an IP to search for matches, in cases where they had suspicions that the person wasn’t who they said they were.
It was never used for anything other than good administration, counter-Intelligence and border control and identified countless spies and unwanted individuals at a time when espionage was much more widespread.
by Kuriko » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:25 am
Bormiar wrote:I assume the owners of the library collected the IPs through the players entrusting them to the admins, such as through making an off-site forum account.
by Sargon Reman » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:28 am
Bormiar wrote:I assume the owners of the library collected the IPs through the players entrusting them to the admins, such as through making an off-site forum account.
by Aclion » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:18 am
Novae Romae wrote:What if these IPs are leaked in a hack or otherwise?
by Novae Romae » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:30 am
by Numero Capitan » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:44 am
Novae Romae wrote:Aclion wrote:Then someone could (kind of)find out what city a player lives in. IP's really aren't that useful for nefarious purposes, and aren't really that hard to gather.
But the fact of the matter is that IP addresses were not only gathered, but distributed to others with no consent from the people who are the IP's. You can also still trace someone's IP to the area and/or hack the IP owner.
by Bormiar » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:48 am
by Bowzin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm
by Kuriko » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:11 pm
Bowzin wrote:If it wasn't publicly shared, I have no issue with it. However, and bare with me on this cause I am new to the SC, does referencing IPs not violate rule 4?
by Sargon Reman » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:40 pm
Bowzin wrote:If it wasn't publicly shared, I have no issue with it. However, and bare with me on this cause I am new to the SC, does referencing IPs not violate rule 4?
by Marxist Germany » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:48 pm
by Roavin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:11 pm
Novae Romae wrote:https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safe-to-share-the-IP-address-of-my-computer but to specifically quote a piece:No. It's not safe to share the IP address of your computer on public Internet, particularly with strangers.
by Novae Romae » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:23 pm
Roavin wrote:Novae Romae wrote:https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safe-to-share-the-IP-address-of-my-computer but to specifically quote a piece:No. It's not safe to share the IP address of your computer on public Internet, particularly with strangers.
Literally the top answer to the very link you yourself provided states that it's irrelevant!
And ... it is irrelevant, for reasons beyond that. The IP address only routes to the household* (not the computer), and in recent days the IPv4 address isn't even necessarily unique anymore per household. That IP address is only temporary. It does not show the street address where you live, only a rough geographical location (won't get more accurate than, say, "staten island", and half a million people live there; the picture gets even more diluted when you start considering mobile IPs). Having the IP address doesn't allow hacking anybody any more than having a PO box allows you to rob someone's house (i.e. something else needs to leak/be accessible for that to happen).
Please stop gaslighting this thread with your ill-informed, paranoid, misleading, and (given that citation) outright dishonest drivel.
* technically per router, not household, but usually it's 1-to-1 so I'm simplifying here
by Bormiar » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:34 pm
by Kuriko » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:37 pm
Novae Romae wrote:Roavin wrote:
Literally the top answer to the very link you yourself provided states that it's irrelevant!
And ... it is irrelevant, for reasons beyond that. The IP address only routes to the household* (not the computer), and in recent days the IPv4 address isn't even necessarily unique anymore per household. That IP address is only temporary. It does not show the street address where you live, only a rough geographical location (won't get more accurate than, say, "staten island", and half a million people live there; the picture gets even more diluted when you start considering mobile IPs). Having the IP address doesn't allow hacking anybody any more than having a PO box allows you to rob someone's house (i.e. something else needs to leak/be accessible for that to happen).
Please stop gaslighting this thread with your ill-informed, paranoid, misleading, and (given that citation) outright dishonest drivel.
* technically per router, not household, but usually it's 1-to-1 so I'm simplifying here
I dont want my IP being stored on someone's forum just for a video game. I apologize if my basic concern for privacy is suddenly gaslighting.
In regards to the draft, just get rid of this clause, it's obviously causing issues to many players. Other than that the draft is fine.
Edit: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safe-to-sha ... y-computer go to Vijay Anand's post
by Novae Romae » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:45 pm
by Roavin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:16 pm
Novae Romae wrote:I dont want my IP being stored on someone's forum just for a video game. I apologize if my basic concern for privacy is suddenly gaslighting.
Novae Romae wrote:Edit: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safe-to-sha ... y-computer go to Vijay Anand's post
by Novae Romae » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:19 pm
Roavin wrote:Novae Romae wrote:I dont want my IP being stored on someone's forum just for a video game. I apologize if my basic concern for privacy is suddenly gaslighting.
Concerns over your privacy are not gaslighting. Spreading false information deliberately, using appeals to emotion, is. If this is not done deliberately, then it's done out of paranoid ignorance (which isn't much better), as I'll demonstrate:Novae Romae wrote:Edit: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safe-to-sha ... y-computer go to Vijay Anand's post
So you're preferring the answer with 0 upvotes from an unverified account to the top answer from the verified account of a systems administrator with a degree in computer networking.
I could go through that post line by line and show that all of what is only technically correct, or meaningless, or both, but let's not bother and instead look at something much more interesting. That answer links twice to simulationexams.com. A quick glance at this unverified account called "Vijay Anand" reveals that this account links to that website, and/or another website awfully like it, in literally every post they make on quora. Those websites sell preparation tools for people getting certified in IT. You know, "third party resources".
Congratulations, thanks to your undue paranoia, you just fell hook, line, and sinker for a spam bot.
Now please, listen to the fucking verified account.
Privacy violation: Players on NationStates have a reasonable expectation that their privacy will be respected. It is not permitted to post or otherwise share another player's personally-identifying information (i.e. social media accounts, IP addresses, postal addresses, E-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other real-world identifying information).
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