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[DRAFT] Repeal "Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders"

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[DRAFT] Repeal "Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders"

Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:31 pm

I've previously expressed views in the last attempt to repeal this that forum destruction is viewed as an OOC act worth blacklisting over. As such, it makes no sense to leave up an IC condemnation of such.

Category: Repeal
Resolution: 73
Author: Lord Dominator

The Security Council,

Holding both that acts of forum destruction are a terrible crime and that Allied States of EuroIslanders was in fact involved with acts of such;

Observing that acts of forum destruction are viewed as heinous crimes worthy of permanent shunning;

Aware that this may not have been the case when SC#73 Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders was originally passed;

Believing that this has since obviously changed, making such views at the time of original passage irrelevant to the modern day;

Noting that other similarly heinous crimes are not viewed as worthy of condemnation and indeed recognition of them in any manner is considered antithetical to decent international society;

Concluding therefore that that SC#73 Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders should be repealed given that the described actions of forum destruction are considered to be heinous crimes not fit to be recognized in any manner by this body;

Hereby Repeals SC#73 Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:05 am

Further note, upon discussion with Dali I am open to 'replacing' it with a Liberation (though I understand the password is probably founder-imposed).

Edit: Which is to say, replacement with destruction in mind, though being unclear as to whether it'd affect anything.
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Postby Praeceps » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:40 am

Lord Dominator wrote:I
Aware that this may not have been the case when SC#73 Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders;

Incomplete sentence. Should be "when [the resolution] was passed" I believe.
Concluding therefore that that SC#73 Condemn Allied States of EuroIslanders should be repealed gived that the described actions of forum destruction are considered to be heinous crimes which are not to be recognized in any manner by the Security Council;

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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:33 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Further note, upon discussion with Dali I am open to 'replacing' it with a Liberation (though I understand the password is probably founder-imposed).

Edit: Which is to say, replacement with destruction in mind, though being unclear as to whether it'd affect anything.

Actually, founder imposed passwords in a liberation don’t work if the founder ceases to exist
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Postby Kuriko » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:19 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Further note, upon discussion with Dali I am open to 'replacing' it with a Liberation (though I understand the password is probably founder-imposed).

Edit: Which is to say, replacement with destruction in mind, though being unclear as to whether it'd affect anything.

Actually, founder imposed passwords in a liberation don’t work if the founder ceases to exist

A founder imposed password would still exist with a liberation in place after a founder is deleted or CTEs. The only time a liberation would remove a password is when it's been changed by an RO or Delegate.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:26 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Further note, upon discussion with Dali I am open to 'replacing' it with a Liberation (though I understand the password is probably founder-imposed).

Edit: Which is to say, replacement with destruction in mind, though being unclear as to whether it'd affect anything.

Another option would be to place the replacement liberation upon The Proletariat Coalition, which was just as guilty. They do not have a founder-imposed password and the liberation would actually do something.

I’d rather see the replacement before approving the repeal, personally.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:57 am

Broken record time. The main reasons behind this condemnation were committed by allies of ASE, so this has never made sense - beyond people just not liking Eurosoviets and his attitude to this issue since. Was a stupid condemnation in the first place that should have been directed at the relevant individuals for individual actions.

With regard to a liberation. Given that we let a raider region off the hook for forum destruction after less than a few years (the Communications Officer of that region just posted above) but for some reason nations who weren't around at the time want to revisit this after fifteen years to enact some additional punishment just appears to be raiders wanting an excuse to raid rather than any kind of common sense.

The nations who committed forum destruction haven't shown their faces in this game for a decade - what is the point of a liberation other than promoting region destruction on the whim of those who like to partake in it :roll:

If we're going down that route I have plenty of viable candidates for future liberations...
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:48 am

I'm not particularly attached to the idea, I was throwing it out there as an alternate method ;)

Edit: Which is to say, I'm not opposed to the idea, but probably won't be doing it myself
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Postby Kuriko » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:11 pm

I'm in favor of repealing the condemnation, since all the others like it have been repealed as well. However, a liberation would be pointless and I would council against writing one.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:48 am

Numero, using liberations as condemnations with teeth for OOC problems has been done before. I see no reason not to do it again, and replacing the more IC-aimed, harmless condemnation.

Besides, the last time you brought up this subject, you told everyone that the nations from TPC were responsible, not ASE. In theory, that would mean you shouldn’t be opposed to the idea of punishing TPC rather than ASE.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:13 pm

Numero Capitan wrote:Broken record time. The main reasons behind this condemnation were committed by allies of ASE, so this has never made sense - beyond people just not liking Eurosoviets and his attitude to this issue since. Was a stupid condemnation in the first place that should have been directed at the relevant individuals for individual actions.

With regard to a liberation. Given that we let a raider region off the hook for forum destruction after less than a few years (the Communications Officer of that region just posted above) but for some reason nations who weren't around at the time want to revisit this after fifteen years to enact some additional punishment just appears to be raiders wanting an excuse to raid rather than any kind of common sense.

The nations who committed forum destruction haven't shown their faces in this game for a decade - what is the point of a liberation other than promoting region destruction on the whim of those who like to partake in it :roll:

If we're going down that route I have plenty of viable candidates for future liberations...

I dunno, man. Every time Unknown winds up as the centre of attention, it's pretty clear that we were never "let off the hook".
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:15 pm

I've made some edits, mainly to clean up wording.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:46 am

Kuriko wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Actually, founder imposed passwords in a liberation don’t work if the founder ceases to exist

A founder imposed password would still exist with a liberation in place after a founder is deleted or CTEs. The only time a liberation would remove a password is when it's been changed by an RO or Delegate.

For Politics Amino when the raid founder ceased to exist I could walk in despite the password being there in spirit, as when I entered the region the original password was visible to residents (like Belgium)
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:24 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Kuriko wrote:A founder imposed password would still exist with a liberation in place after a founder is deleted or CTEs. The only time a liberation would remove a password is when it's been changed by an RO or Delegate.

For Politics Amino when the raid founder ceased to exist I could walk in despite the password being there in spirit, as when I entered the region the original password was visible to residents (like Belgium)

There is no such thing as a "raid founder". A delegate or RO imposed password will be taken down by a liberation, which is what happened in Politics Amino.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:32 pm

In favour of the repeal, but not giving them another badge for it. If we do that then liberations will have become just as toothless as condemnations.
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