Condemn the Civil Defence Siren [Discarded]

[Praeceps]

That's not true—you have been given other advice. Since you seem to have missed it, I will repeat it.

With regards to this clause:

"regions listed by the Civil Defence Siren are either self-proclaimed as anti-fascist, populated by 6 or less members, under the control of Antifa or Antifa-associated powers, or all three."

You are grouping together different categories which can't really be compared (under the control of Antifa or Antifa-associated powers are the only categories which are similar). You are nowhere near the character limit so you can afford to separate this clause out and be more specific (attribute number of regions to each category).

No, the other wasn't advice, it was a piece of evidence to support an argument. This, what you posted on the other hand, IS advice, so thank you for actually giving some. I will be sure to edit it at once and provide a second draft. I take this very serious so it should be posted by 9pm central US time.

Criticism is advice on how to strengthen your proposal. You should be able to take out criticisms of your proposal to strengthen your proposal.

I'll give it another read after your edits.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: This thread proves Godwin's Law.

[South Reinkalistan]

OOC: This thread proves Godwin's Law.

My sentiments exactly. Then again, I contributed to it, but I'm more of a 'chaotic neutral' type. So I'll blame everyone else

[Bears Armed]

Let me iterate why I listed those regions on as context for Clause 4b, as I admittedly forgot to give an in depth detail into each and every one of those, a mistake I shall rectify now.

Free American Empire, held by Antifa. This is one of three regions here held by Antifa, and brings up an interesting question, why haven't they been removed from the list? This region is clearly not fascist, nor does it have any hope to return to being such, after all, it's held by an Anti-Fascist organization, and I doubt Antifa of all people would be willing to allow this region, despite it's size, to slip back into it's old ways. In fact, as I look at the region page whilst writing this, I noticed that it's password protected as well! Again, I ask, exasperated by this trend, why is this region still listed on the CDS when it clearly is not active, nor fascist, nor poses any threat to impressionable new players, nor even allows new players to enter in the first place?

International Fascist Federation is occupied by the Red Fleet. So, let me repeat that. It is occupied...by the Red Fleet...interesting. The Red Fleet is an Anti-Fascist organization as well, associated with Antifa, and actually participated with them in a previous region's occupation, the Free American Empire. However, let me get back to the point, and pose this, why is the region listed on the CDS when it clearly poses no threat? I doubt the Red Fleet or Antifa are Fascist supporters, so it's not like they're going to hand this region over anytime soon.

New World Order of Fascism, and yes, the name is indeed a giveaway. Just like it's a giveaway, with one simple look at the region, that it too is occupied by Anti-Fascist (though not the organization Antifa itself) powers. An Anti-Fascist occupied region is on this list because of...? The name? If so, one simple look at the region would turn any player away from joining it, either by themselves or being banjected from the occupation force. Therefore, a warning by the CDS really isn't needed, is it?

The Iron Confederacy is occupied by Antifa, password protected, even has a nice little LGBT on it like a bow, really don't see how this is a threat to new players requiring telegrams to be sent to them?

So maybe you should try condemning CDS for that demonstrable inefficiency in its "work", instead?

[Novae Romae]

Let me iterate why I listed those regions on as context for Clause 4b, as I admittedly forgot to give an in depth detail into each and every one of those, a mistake I shall rectify now.

Free American Empire, held by Antifa. This is one of three regions here held by Antifa, and brings up an interesting question, why haven't they been removed from the list? This region is clearly not fascist, nor does it have any hope to return to being such, after all, it's held by an Anti-Fascist organization, and I doubt Antifa of all people would be willing to allow this region, despite it's size, to slip back into it's old ways. In fact, as I look at the region page whilst writing this, I noticed that it's password protected as well! Again, I ask, exasperated by this trend, why is this region still listed on the CDS when it clearly is not active, nor fascist, nor poses any threat to impressionable new players, nor even allows new players to enter in the first place?

International Fascist Federation is occupied by the Red Fleet. So, let me repeat that. It is occupied...by the Red Fleet...interesting. The Red Fleet is an Anti-Fascist organization as well, associated with Antifa, and actually participated with them in a previous region's occupation, the Free American Empire. However, let me get back to the point, and pose this, why is the region listed on the CDS when it clearly poses no threat? I doubt the Red Fleet or Antifa are Fascist supporters, so it's not like they're going to hand this region over anytime soon.

New World Order of Fascism, and yes, the name is indeed a giveaway. Just like it's a giveaway, with one simple look at the region, that it too is occupied by Anti-Fascist (though not the organization Antifa itself) powers. An Anti-Fascist occupied region is on this list because of...? The name? If so, one simple look at the region would turn any player away from joining it, either by themselves or being banjected from the occupation force. Therefore, a warning by the CDS really isn't needed, is it?

The Iron Confederacy is occupied by Antifa, password protected, even has a nice little LGBT on it like a bow, really don't see how this is a threat to new players requiring telegrams to be sent to them?

So maybe you should try condemning CDS for that demonstrable inefficiency in its "work", instead?

Good idea! I'll incorporate that into my second draft when I have time to fully get the thoughts into it. APUSH is proving time-consuming.

[Blood Wine]

Then dont respond. The Security Council calls for serious proposals, this is a serious proposal. If you have a problem with it then dont respond to it or present your points against it reasonably. I'm more than willing to have a civilized debate over this proposal.

No, this proposal isn't serious. The chances of it failing to make quorum are high, and should it reach quorum it will be laughably stomped. This isn't a resolution which is going to start serious debates, getting regions to rally their allies and WAs to vote a certain way, or split a region with how to vote.

Furthermore, your unwillingness to take advice from SC regulars on improving the content of your proposal is not going to do you any additional favours.

^this, pretty much
I'm not even that much of a SC regular, and even I know this will probably never reach quorum, and if it does it'll get 90% voted against

[Novae Romae]

Here's the second draft. I apologize for the delay, and passing the deadline I set earlier, school has been hitting hard for midterms. Either way, I've taken the advice and edited some clauses.

The Security Council,

Accepting that Nazism and Fascism are abhorrent ideologies that should be combated responsibly at every point.

Acknowledging that such attempts to combat these ideologies have been taken, most notably through warnings by the Civil Defence Siren, a service run jointly by the Pacific regions.

Disturbed that this service, instead of listing only Fascist regions, has instead attempted to impose that label on non-Fascist regions, seemingly arbitrarily.

Citing the following as examples for the aforementioned:

1. 12 of 25 regions listed by the Civil Defence Siren:
   
   1. Axis of Storms, which has only one nation, the founder.
   2. Committees for Promotion of Integralism, which has been inactive for months now, and has no way to easily enter.
   3. Despotic Europe, self-declared as anti-fascist and has shown no signs of being fascist themselves, yet are still labelled by the Civil Defence Siren as Fascist nonetheless.
   4. Free American Empire, New World Order of Fascism, and The Iron Confederacy, regions occupied by Anti-fascist forces, yet still listed as Fascist by the service nonetheless.
   5. Heiliger Bund, while self-declared as Fascist, have been inactive for more than a year.
   6. Imperial Catholic Alliance, which has merged with another region and has not been active for nearly half a year.
   7. The Holy Reich of Bunicken, a region with merely seven nations, and no self-identified Fascist affiliation other than embassies.
   8. International Fascist Federation, which has one nation, and no way to easily enter.
   9. The Imperium of Man, which is inactive for more than half a year.
   10. The Wasteland Frontier, which has one nation and has been inactive for an indeterminable amount of time
2. The service does not provide it's reasoning for the seemingly arbitrary placement of these regions.
3. The service has seemingly randomly placed 25 regions, some of which are anti-fascist, on the service, despite there being a total of 286 self-declared Fascist regions

Dismayed that this service, operated by the Pacifics, is only accountable to the Pacifics, and has seemingly unchecked authority over what regions are and are not placed, referrencing the regions that are under Anti-Fascist control but still listed as Fascist by the service.

Terrified that this service, tasked with warning and listing Fascist regions, has instead listed regions which are neither Fascist, nor threats, nor influencing new nations to the Fascist ideology, all without the oversight of the international community

Strongly Believing that this resolution will serve as accountability by the international community on an unchecked service.

Hereby condemns Civil Defence Siren

[Praeceps]

I would group the similar regions you believe shouldn't be on the list together and your justification for that.

Additionally, you only list 10 regions out of the 12. Furthermore, there are 27 regions, not 25 on the CDS.

[Novae Romae]

I would group the similar regions you believe shouldn't be on the list together and your justification for that.

Additionally, you only list 10 regions out of the 12. Furthermore, there are 27 regions, not 25 on the CDS.

When I had wrote it I didn't realize they added a few since my proposal. Either ways I'll make sure to edit it.

[South Reinkalistan]

I hate to be that guy, but...

"The service does not provide it's its reasoning for the seemingly arbitrary placement of these regions."

Grammar Nazi time.

[Novae Romae]

Ok so I'm discarding this proposal since it's honestly not even fun to work on anymore and I want to focus on more national gameplay rather than WA stuff. Also Merry Early Christmas to everyone here!

[South Reinkalistan]

Ok so I'm discarding this proposal since it's honestly not even fun to work on anymore and I want to focus on more national gameplay rather than WA stuff. Also Merry Early Christmas to everyone here!

OOC: Merry Christmas!

[Novae Romae]

Ok so I'm discarding this proposal since it's honestly not even fun to work on anymore and I want to focus on more national gameplay rather than WA stuff. Also Merry Early Christmas to everyone here!

OOC: Merry Christmas!

Merry Chrysler!