[Draft] Commend Trotterdam

[The Pharcyde]

The Security Council,

Recognizing the (perhaps odd) phenomenon whereby all the world's countries inevitably tend to encounter the same issues, challenges, and crises;

Aware that, historically, world leaders have struggled to anticipate the consequences of their policy responses to these issues;

Impressed that Trotterdam produced a database of every legislative response to every issue in the world's consequences, which has empowered world leaders to make more informed policy decisions;

Believing that Trotterdam's decision to allow every nation in the world to use its database epitomizing this council's ideals;

Surprised Trotterdam hasn't already been commended for its contributions to overcoming literally every issue in the world;

Hereby commends Trotterdam.

For those who do not know, Trotterdam made this incredibly useful database of NS issue results. I believe it deserves recognition from the SC. This attempt to commend Trotterdam failed to reach quorum because its author started campaigning too late.

[Praeceps]

As written, I don't believe this is commendable enough. If you are insistent on going through with this, I would suggest including Trotterdam's work on giving feedback on issue drafts.

Nevertheless, I still don't believe it will be sufficient to merit commendation.

[The Pharcyde]

As written, I don't believe this is commendable enough. If you are insistent on going through with this, I would suggest including Trotterdam's work on giving feedback on issue drafts.

Nevertheless, I still don't believe it will be sufficient to merit commendation.

Issues are the main feature of NationStates. The fact that NS issues have unexpected consequences is one of the game's most famous quirks. I can't see how Trotterdam's contributions aren't sufficient to merit commendation. He upended a trademark of the game's core functionality and gave players information that was regularly sought after for over fifteen years.

I need to think of an IC-way to describe giving feedback on issues. Issue drafting is basically helping create problems for the world

[Bormiar]

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=442073&hilit=Trotterdam

Obviously that draft isn’t the paragon of possible Trotterdam commendations, but it’s a start that’s worth at least a detailed reading of the proposal (or at least the clauses which aren’t fluff) and (again, at least) a cursory look at the entire thread.

Other relevant links (not about trotterdam)
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=218040
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=392800

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I'm in agreement with Praeceps on this one. There is not enough in this draft to support a Commendation. You need to do more research and try and bring something else to it.

[Kuriko]

I am also in agreement with BBD and Praetor, this proposal needs a lot more information before submission and voting.

[Lord Dominator]

Trotterdam is commendable I believe, just not like this (and with the issue of lacking much in the way of solid individual achievements so much as support for everyone else).

[The Pharcyde]

I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'll do more research to improve my draft.

Trotterdam is commendable I believe, just not like this (and with the issue of lacking much in the way of solid individual achievements so much as support for everyone else).

Would you be willing to rephrase what you're trying to say here? I'm afraid I don't understand the part in parentheses.

[Orpheus and Eurydice]

I like the creative way of including his database of issue results.

Another place he's quite active is the Got Issues forum, where I frequently come across his helpful contributions in a myriad of ways and places. I'd imagine folks involved with Issues could help flesh this out.

With the amount of good information he provides on issue results and stat changes and how the easter egg issues function and the workings of the issue chains etc, all without access to the back-end like an Issue Editor would have, I wonder if there's a way to get even more creative with the Commendation by referring to him as an "Analyst" or something along those lines.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

No.

Reminder that this person censored the result of an option because the one they proposed didn't get in.

[Lord Dominator]

I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'll do more research to improve my draft.

Trotterdam is commendable I believe, just not like this (and with the issue of lacking much in the way of solid individual achievements so much as support for everyone else).

Would you be willing to rephrase what you're trying to say here? I'm afraid I don't understand the part in parentheses.

Basically, I think that the problem with Commending Trotterdam isn't that they aren't worthy of it, but that there isn't much in the way of nameable achievement. It's hard to Commend someone who's primary assistance is helping basically everyone draft & write issues, but doesn't write any of their own (though I have heard there are 2 on another nation, dunno what nation).

[Candensia]

No.

Reminder that this person censored the result of an option because the one they proposed didn't get in.

Ridiculous. So this one censor outweighs the entirety of the benefit Trotterdam’s completely free, detailed, and updated database provides? Cmon now, certainly that isn’t the case.

I believe that Trotterdam is commendable, but agree that it isn’t being done as well as it could be right now.

[Praeceps]

I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'll do more research to improve my draft.


Would you be willing to rephrase what you're trying to say here? I'm afraid I don't understand the part in parentheses.

Basically, I think that the problem with Commending Trotterdam isn't that they aren't worthy of it, but that there isn't much in the way of nameable achievement. It's hard to Commend someone who's primary assistance is helping basically everyone draft & write issues, but doesn't write any of their own (though I have heard there are 2 on another nation, dunno what nation).

Milostein as seen in Bormiar's post. If you are choosing to continue to write this, I would definitely include that he wrote two issues. It will give you much needed material.

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I wouldn't mind knowing more about why a particular option was censored in his tool. It does run counter to the draft's claim that the nominee has recorded every option.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

No.

Reminder that this person censored the result of an option because the one they proposed didn't get in.

Ridiculous. So this one censor outweighs the entirety of the benefit Trotterdam’s completely free, detailed, and updated database provides?

Yes.

Basically, I think that the problem with Commending Trotterdam isn't that they aren't worthy of it, but that there isn't much in the way of nameable achievement. It's hard to Commend someone who's primary assistance is helping basically everyone draft & write issues, but doesn't write any of their own (though I have heard there are 2 on another nation, dunno what nation).

Milostein as seen in Bormiar's post. If you are choosing to continue to write this, I would definitely include that he wrote two issues. It will give you much needed material.

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I wouldn't mind knowing more about why a particular option was censored in his tool. It does run counter to the draft's claim that the nominee has recorded every option.

The original issue didn't have that option.

There was a thread in which Trotterdam proposed a new option for the issue. The issue editors decided not to use it and added their own new option, which is the one Trotterdam censored.

[Fauxia]

Ridiculous. So this one censor outweighs the entirety of the benefit Trotterdam’s completely free, detailed, and updated database provides?

Yes.

I’m sorry, but what the fuck is this position supposed to be? So you’d rather have the results of no options than all but one? Like there’s some inherent need for the options to be treated equally? Makes no sense.

I’m willing to hear an argument that it was a mistake compiling the database and that, as Trotterdam’s most notable achievement, makes him uncommendable. But this is ridiculous.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes.

I’m sorry, but what the fuck is this position supposed to be? So you’d rather have the results of no options than all but one? Like there’s some inherent need for the options to be treated equally? Makes no sense.

I’m willing to hear an argument that it was a mistake compiling the database and that, as Trotterdam’s most notable achievement, makes him uncommendable. But this is ridiculous.

So we should commend someone who censors things because they got angry over their option not being included?

[Fauxia]

I’m sorry, but what the fuck is this position supposed to be? So you’d rather have the results of no options than all but one? Like there’s some inherent need for the options to be treated equally? Makes no sense.

I’m willing to hear an argument that it was a mistake compiling the database and that, as Trotterdam’s most notable achievement, makes him uncommendable. But this is ridiculous.

So we should commend someone who censors things because they got angry over their option not being included?

1. Tiny little piece of information like that? If otherwise they have enough, yeah.
2. It’s not censorship, it!s a refusal to publish something new. It wouldn’t exist without Trott, either.