Condemn Civil Defence Siren [DISCARDED]

[Novae Romae]

There is no need for this type of snarky commentary against members simply against the unchecked authority of the CDS. If you wish to give actual commentary on the draft instead of being snarky, you are more than welcome to.

I find your draft idea complete untenable and exceedingly unlikely to pass. No further commentary on the draft is particularly needed unless I'm feeling rather bored.

Again, like I've said many times and something that can be found out by scrolling up, I am not the original drafter of the condemnation. Once more, you could've said that originally instead of pulling this attitude for no reason other than your dislike of the proposal.

[Lord Dominator]

I find your draft idea complete untenable and exceedingly unlikely to pass. No further commentary on the draft is particularly needed unless I'm feeling rather bored.

Again, like I've said many times and something that can be found out by scrolling up, I am not the original drafter of the condemnation. Once more, you could've said that originally instead of pulling this attitude for no reason other than your dislike of the proposal.

Ah, my mistake regarding the drafter. Apologies.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: This has been tried before FYI

[Candensia]

Concerned by how Civil Defence Siren deems some regions far-right when they do not openly embrace/endorse these ideologies, nor seek to indoctrinate others into them, such as Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, Imperium of Man, Holy Reich of Greater Germania, and Holy Reich of Bunicken.

No, this claim does not check out. Let us look no further than CCD’s own Imperial Law Dispatch to disprove it. Below are points 9 and 10.

This body encourages all Confederation nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies;

This body outlaws the principles and practices of democracy; this body forbids the holding of elections throughout the Confederation unless instigated by the Supreme Council;

If this isn’t “openly embracing/endorsing” far-right ideologies, then I don’t know what is.

[South Reinkalistan]

Concerned by how Civil Defence Siren deems some regions far-right when they do not openly embrace/endorse these ideologies, nor seek to indoctrinate others into them, such as Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, Imperium of Man, Holy Reich of Greater Germania, and Holy Reich of Bunicken.

No, this claim does not check out. Let us look no further than CCD’s own Imperial Law Dispatch to disprove it. Below are points 9 and 10.

This body encourages all Confederation nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies;

This body outlaws the principles and practices of democracy; this body forbids the holding of elections throughout the Confederation unless instigated by the Supreme Council;

If this isn’t “openly embracing/endorsing” far-right ideologies, then I don’t know what is.

Right wing =/= far right.

Your point is invalid.

[Candensia]

No, this claim does not check out. Let us look no further than CCD’s own Imperial Law Dispatch to disprove it. Below are points 9 and 10.

This body encourages all Confederation nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies;

This body outlaws the principles and practices of democracy; this body forbids the holding of elections throughout the Confederation unless instigated by the Supreme Council;

If this isn’t “openly embracing/endorsing” far-right ideologies, then I don’t know what is.

Right wing =/= far right.

Your point is invalid.

If CCD outlaws the principles and the practices of democracy, and also encourages all nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies what could *possibly* be encouraged here other than far-right ideals? This is not representative of a center-right, or even solid-right political ideal. This is right-off-the-cliff. This isn’t hard to figure out.

[South Reinkalistan]

Right wing =/= far right.

Your point is invalid.

If CCD outlaws the principles and the practices of democracy, and also encourages all nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies what could *possibly* be encouraged here other than far-right ideals? This is not representative of a center-right, or even solid-right political ideal. This is right-off-the-cliff. This isn’t hard to figure out.

IC =/= OOC.

I still don't see what you're getting at here.

[Marxist Germany]

If CCD outlaws the principles and the practices of democracy, and also encourages all nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies what could *possibly* be encouraged here other than far-right ideals? This is not representative of a center-right, or even solid-right political ideal. This is right-off-the-cliff. This isn’t hard to figure out.

OOC: Monarchism is a right wing ideology, and it isnt far right. Fascism isnt the only non democratic right wing ideology.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Ima vote against this

CDS is coolio

[South Reinkalistan]

Ima vote against this

CDS is coolio

Care to justify your stance there pal?

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Against

[Fauxia]

Ima vote against this

CDS is coolio

Care to justify your stance there pal?

Does anyone have to at this point? People have spent hours in this game making these arguments. They’re tired and no one ever changes their minds. Your proposal is doomed; the only people who support it are fascists and their allies, people who refuse to believe their friends could be fascist despite loads of evidence.

You can keep drafting, but you’re just wasting your time hoping people will suddenly like fascism in this game. Even if they are wrong that these regions are fascist, you’ll never convince them. It’s not worth the energy (and possibly money if you really are committed).

[South Reinkalistan]

Care to justify your stance there pal?

Does anyone have to at this point? People have spent hours in this game making these arguments. They’re tired and no one ever changes their minds. Your proposal is doomed; the only people who support it are fascists and their allies, people who refuse to believe their friends could be fascist despite loads of evidence.

You can keep drafting, but you’re just wasting your time hoping people will suddenly like fascism in this game. Even if they are wrong that these regions are fascist, you’ll never convince them. It’s not worth the energy (and possibly money if you really are committed).

I mean, you say that I'm arguing for fascism, but I'm not...

The CCD isn't fascist. Prove to me that the CCD is OOC-ly fascist. Thus far, nobody has been able.

Above is an image of someone being banjected from the Confederation for hate speech.

How fascist, indeed!

[Fauxia]

Does anyone have to at this point? People have spent hours in this game making these arguments. They’re tired and no one ever changes their minds. Your proposal is doomed; the only people who support it are fascists and their allies, people who refuse to believe their friends could be fascist despite loads of evidence.

You can keep drafting, but you’re just wasting your time hoping people will suddenly like fascism in this game. Even if they are wrong that these regions are fascist, you’ll never convince them. It’s not worth the energy (and possibly money if you really are committed).

I mean, you say that I'm arguing for fascism, but I'm not...

The CCD isn't fascist. Prove to me that the CCD is OOC-ly fascist. Thus far, nobody has been able.

Above is an image of someone being banjected from the Confederation for hate speech.

How fascist, indeed!

I believe if the CDS is the one responsible for making the list, they should have the reasoning to back up why regions are on that list. If I called you fascist (which you're not obviously) the burden of proof is on me to support why you are in fact a fascist.

Except you were given reasons when you asked.

[South Reinkalistan]

I mean, you say that I'm arguing for fascism, but I'm not...

The CCD isn't fascist. Prove to me that the CCD is OOC-ly fascist. Thus far, nobody has been able.

Above is an image of someone being banjected from the Confederation for hate speech.

How fascist, indeed!

Except you were given reasons when you asked.

I said OOC-ly fascist. Try again.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

lol it got discarded

[Fauxia]

I said OOC-ly fascist. Try again.

Nah. Those aren’t OOC lol.