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[DEFEATED] Condemn Norrlands

Postby Ultior » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm

This is an RP Condemnation idea, and my first time really on the forums. Norrlands is a very old, infamous RPer. I would appreciate your feedback.

Acknowledging that Norrlands has partaken in the world of NationStates since early 2012 and in the time since has done many condemnable things,

Emphasizing the more egregious and condemnable actions partaken in by the Norrgeri Government and Military since their arrival in the realm of Sonindia,

Noting that Norrlands is the largest nation on the planet of Yadah by a significant margin, and a prominent member of the UDPS, a powerful alliance consisting primarily of radical leftist nations bent on spreading their influence throughout NationStates,

Disturbed by the Norrlands weaponization of disease and development of horrific and potent biological weapons by the Norrgeri military in the form of the Devein Plague and other similar viruses and bacterial plagues,

Appalled by the abhorrent actions of the Norrlands which time and time again violate the sacrosanct laws upheld by the World Assembly, them being:

  1. An unprovoked nuclear strike on the capital city of the Rajatari Empire causing the deaths of over eight million innocents, leading to a devastating global war that still rages with no end in sight.

  2. The attempted robbery of multiple territories throughout the world, including, but not limited to the Midway Islands of the Ephilossian Ocean from a nation they were at peace with.

  3. Repeated emphasized violation of international airspace during peacetime, meant either to provoke conflict or disrupt international peace.

  4. The oppression of their own people through the abolition of private property, the prohibition of private industry, and the denial of the citizens with non-dictatorial alternatives on the ballot.

  5. Giving nuclear weapons in excess of 20 megatons to the Unionised Commune - pushing them to launch 14 of said warheads on enemies, killing over 150 million innocents towards the end of the Second Great War of Yadah.

  6. Carrying out unprovoked nuclear strikes on the small island state of Criume on the revelation they would leave their sphere of influence for the opposing allied states equivalent.

  7. Unfair occupation of neutral neighbouring nations with the expressed purpose of getting an advantage towards an enemy - specifically the Salt Flats, through their claimed “protection” of a neutral nation from a nation they had no qualms with, yet was on bad terms with Norrlands


Distressed by the Norgerri Military’s war crimes highlighted through their frequent use of tactical nukes in their various campaigns against the few nations brave enough to resist their hegemony.


Believing that the actions of Norrlands detailed above surpass the bar of condemnable action and are therefore worthy to be addressed by the World Assembly in the form of a Condemnation.


Hereby condemns Norrlands.
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:49 pm

Welcome to the Security Council!! At first glance, it's very well written and I don't see any rules broken so that's good. In your first clause you say "commendable" instead of "condemnable", which needs to be changed. I see some other minor things, like possibly replacing your numbers with list bbcode, but that's more my personal preference. I'm sure others will be by soon to give opinions, but I wish you luck on this!
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Postby Gnashing Teeth » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:55 pm

Sounds like my kind of nation. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. The longer you've been around, the more you understand. This sounds like a mature nation. The more war the better. Good to see some people being broken in. When these "victims" accept their place as servants and martyrs only then can there be peace.

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Postby Ultior » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:35 pm

Kuriko wrote:Welcome to the Security Council!! At first glance, it's very well written and I don't see any rules broken so that's good. In your first clause you say "commendable" instead of "condemnable", which needs to be changed. I see some other minor things, like possibly replacing your numbers with list bbcode, but that's more my personal preference. I'm sure others will be by soon to give opinions, but I wish you luck on this!

Thanks. I fixed the issue.

I will continue editing this proposal until it is ready to be submitted before the WA.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:48 am

For a first attempt at writing an SC proposal that reads very well. Like Kuriko I cannot see any illegalities at the moment. I will try and take a closer look at it later.

Bonus point for drafting on the forum. :)
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Postby Praeceps » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:53 am

As far as illegalities go, "Sonindian RP" doesn't seem R4a compliant to me.
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:25 am

Praeceps wrote:As far as illegalities go, "Sonindian RP" doesn't seem R4a compliant to me.

Eep, totally missed that!! Good point Praetor. That would indeed be considered an R4(c) illegality for mentioning role play. I would cut that out and just say "arrival in the realm of Sonindia,".
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:43 am

Kuriko wrote:
Praeceps wrote:As far as illegalities go, "Sonindian RP" doesn't seem R4a compliant to me.

Eep, totally missed that!! Good point Praetor. That would indeed be considered an R4(c) illegality for mentioning role play. I would cut that out and just say "arrival in the realm of Sonindia,".

Missed it as well.

Appalled by the abhorrent actions of the Norrlands which time and time again contrast deeply to the values of the Moral Law and this World Assembled, them being:

This doesn't read particularly well. There is no Moral Law (capitalised) and whose to say moral law is the same for every nation. Also "World Assembled"? Maybe something more on the line of "against the laws passed by the World Assembly".
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Postby Ultior » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:12 pm

Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate the support I have received so far.

I have fixed some of the issues mentioned- more edits will come later.

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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:46 am

Having worked on this a little in drafting before it was posted on the forum, I would like to express my support for the measure! It isn't long overdue, but it certainly is worthwhile and needed to send a message.

I also feel the words Moral Law are important. There is an objective Moral Law - no one suggests that slaughtering innocents is moral, and suggesting it is the case is a perversion of true morality. Many parts of morality are malleable - this is not. I suggest you follow the words "World Assembly" with " and the Moral Law," in the Appalled Claiuse. It adds weight to the condemnation and makes it clear that in no way can it be made acceptable.

Anyhow, welcome to the SC! Good luck!
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Re: [DRAFT] Condemn Norrlands

Postby Yohannes » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:46 am



Hi Ultior! Welcome to the NationStates Forum and the Security Council. May we see some samples of Norrlands' RP or writing to evaluate the nominee's writing skills, tone and style? Thank you Image

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Postby Ultior » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:19 pm

Yohannes wrote:

Hi Ultior! Welcome to the NationStates Forum and the Security Council. May we see some samples of Norrlands' RP or writing to evaluate the nominee's writing skills, tone and style? Thank you (Image)

I'm sorry it took so long. I didn't have the time to access the forums for a bit. Here's a sample post:

In the Admiral Vlad ballistic missile, a cryptographed order is received. The captain and the boatswain gather to decipher - they rarely receive a message that heavily encrypted, and the decryption is done by a computer system, still taking over 15 minutes before the garbled string of letters is transformed into a legible text.

"Execute Plan Decapitate Tiger 3, 5 power. 2 shots. Immediate. MODSNNORR - MOIFSNORR"

The short letter unleashes a flurry of movement. Two modified V-13 are hastily opened and their WEISS warheads are removed, being replaced by the older 5kt bomb. In another 10 minutes, the missile is put back together by the experienced hands of the technicians aboard the Admiral Vlad.
"At least it's not the BeerCan, right captain?" - one of technicians say, looking to the grizzled old sea wolf, who's smoking inside the submarine in a disregard of standing orders. His standing orders, no less.
"Shut up and do your job, Mov."

"Comrade Pilot, bring us to surface. Be prepared to dive to 2000 and run northeast on my command."
"Aye aye, Captain."

The Admiral Vlad breaches the surface like a calm whale, 140 meters of galvanized steel, titanium, rubber and paint breaking the placid waters, while her escort stays 200m below the sealevel, passive sensors online. It is a beautiful day.

"Open hatches."

The order is followed - great electrical engines hurl open the blast doors in an unexpected hurry.

"Fire."

First one, then the other: two great plumes of golden fire arch into the sky, auxiliary engines guiding, turning and finally giving way to the main engines, that propel the two 10m missiles to a velocity almost 10 times greater than sound's. They are targeted to reach Chidambara, Rajatari's capital and center of government. The two missiles are to explode right above the Palace, in a 150m airburst.
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Postby 9003 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:56 am

Ooc:
Some small grammatical changes

sacrosanct law should be capitalized
Under appalled your list should start with a lower case letters as it's a continuation of the sentence that ends with the :
And lines should end with , or ; as it's one stream of thought until the end where it should be a . Otherwise looks good!
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Postby Ultior » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:01 am

9003 wrote:Ooc:
Some small grammatical changes

sacrosanct law should be capitalized
Under appalled your list should start with a lower case letters as it's a continuation of the sentence that ends with the :
And lines should end with , or ; as it's one stream of thought until the end where it should be a . Otherwise looks good!

Thanks,

I'll fix grammatical errors right before I submit the proposal. Hopefully that should be soon.

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Postby East Meranopirus » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:13 am

Selling nukes and nuking places unprovoked to kill millions of people sounds like bad RP. Perhaps we can see some more examples of their RP, especially ones to do with their actions described in the proposal?
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:04 am

This has been [SUBMITTED] and will reach quorum with three more approvals (out of 67).

EDIT (1625 GMT, 22nd January 2020): This is now in queue. AGAINST, and I have an InstaRepeal lined up if this looks like passing.
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:22 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This has been [SUBMITTED] and will reach quorum with three more approvals (out of 67).

EDIT (1625 GMT, 22nd January 2020): This is now in queue. AGAINST, and I have an InstaRepeal lined up if this looks like passing.

Unlikely to pass, so you can probably relax a tad.

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Postby Ultior » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:48 pm

Tinhampton wrote:This has been [SUBMITTED] and will reach quorum with three more approvals (out of 67).

EDIT (1625 GMT, 22nd January 2020): This is now in queue. AGAINST, and I have an InstaRepeal lined up if this looks like passing.

Why? Please explain your rationale.

Its an apolitical RP condemnation that is well deserved. Norrlands has committed many heinous acts.

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:05 pm

Ultior wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:[Tinhampton is] AGAINST, and I have an InstaRepeal lined up if this looks like passing.

Why? Please explain your rationale.

Its an apolitical RP condemnation that is well deserved. Norrlands has committed many heinous acts.

These are the basic details of the INSTAREPEAL! that I have lined up which should hopefully clear things up:
  • Norrlands suffered a military coup last year. Your resolution only talks about what they have done since then on the Sonindia RP server on Discord - which few voters on this proposal will have even considered viewing. (OOC: Since Norrlands has never posted on the forums and almost never roleplays on the RMB, I am forced to assume that his roleplaying activity is limited to Discord. Please correct me if this is wrong on my end.)

  • Your draft contains multiple suspect claims, including at least one error that makes the meaning of one of your points barely comprehensible and describing one organisation as being ever-more influential when it has never been mentioned on the forums.

  • Furthermore, you make some uncited claims about Norrlands' adherence to WA law and the status of their government structure therein - although I do not dispute that some of what the Norrgeri army has done is both reprehensible and opposed to GA#2.

  • The Security Council has precedent for repealing Condemnations given to seeming evildoers who have done nothing more than carry out a metric Michael Atherton of unrealistic acts in regional roleplay, while having little tangible impact on the world beyond that region. This is the case for Condemn Norrlands; therefore, Condemn Norrlands should be repealed/defeated - delete as appropriate.
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:05 pm

Ultior wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:This has been [SUBMITTED] and will reach quorum with three more approvals (out of 67).

EDIT (1625 GMT, 22nd January 2020): This is now in queue. AGAINST, and I have an InstaRepeal lined up if this looks like passing.

Why? Please explain your rationale.

Its an apolitical RP condemnation that is well deserved. Norrlands has committed many heinous acts.

Seems like a lot of godmoding in their RP, which does not make particularity good material for a condemnation.

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Postby Otherkin-dom » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:04 am

An intriguing proposal. The main issue that we, the People's Republic of Otherkin-dom, see is the lack of tangible evidence. You have quoted one instance of RP - which is, granted, an example of the use of nuclear weaponry and that is in itself an offence to be condemned - but that very much feels like a matter for the region to tackle internally with appropriate sanctions and sentences to be imposed. Therefore we feel, like others who have responded, that more evidence is needed if a global condemnation of the accused is to be passed.

As for the claim of potential bad RP or god-modding RP, it is very likely that the way in which the accused has acted falls very much in line with their nation's attitudes, beliefs and so forth, which constitutes sound in-character RP.
In conclusion, while the People's Republic of Otherkin-dom is content to condemn the use of a nuclear arsenal by the accused, we do not feel that the claims are substantiated sufficiently to contribute to passing a global condemnation.

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Postby Ultior » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:41 am

Well, this isn’t passing. Tinhampton’s lobbying and whining paid off.

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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:44 am

It really is disgusting, the swarm of SJWs who rush to defend Norrlands...
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Postby Morover » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:45 am

Ultior wrote:Well, this isn’t passing. Tinhampton’s lobbying and whining paid off.

OOC: That's not fair. Tinhampton does have some influence, but ultimately they're not the reason this is likely not to succeed.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:48 am

Ultior wrote:Well, this isn’t passing. Tinhampton’s lobbying and whining paid off.

Morover wrote:
Ultior wrote:Well, this isn’t passing. Tinhampton’s lobbying and whining paid off.

OOC: That's not fair. Tinhampton does have some influence, but ultimately they're not the reason this is likely not to succeed.

For future reference: I did not do any "lobbying" beyond what I have written in this thread (if I really wanted to tank it, I'd have used New Islet to send out a telegram to delegates asking them to unapprove this) - and I've complained a lot about this proposal, yes, but mostly to myself :P
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