[PASSED] Liberate Aurelia

[Lord Dominator]

The region was left in a bereft state and all but abandoned. Why should we care about its vaunted history and community when no one native stepped up to the plate to actually do anything to preserve it? I think the support for liberation is an example of animosity towards raiders/conquerors which is unfairly misplaced. The new owners hardly invaded a bustling region, but an empty one. They're utilizing an asset that would otherwise continue to gather moss. I do not support this proposal.

Why does that give them right to take it over? This argument is so flawed on so many levels it's hard to argue against it.

If it's incredibly flawed, it should be easy to refute then

[Nord-Norden]

Put simply, the current regional administration violated the tradition of invitation that so many have found their regional home through. Uninvited, aggressive, and obviously unwanted by the remaining inhabitants of the region, it is the duty of the Security Council to liberate this region, and re-affirm the strong precedence that regions may be run as active, inactive, full, or empty as their inhabitants would like, outside observers having no right to barge into such and decide to change it, with no invitation to do so; failure of this proposal will weaken nearly all future liberation requests, as the SC, through its rejection of this bill will be stating to the world, that any region may be taken over by outsiders, no matter the conditions, so long as those outsiders feign belief that they can do better.

I urge my fellow Member Nations to vote FOR the Proposal.

The single remaining native has responded to exactly zero telegrams, and exactly zero times in the RMB. There was no one in the region to be invited by, and no one to invite anyone. It was empty and abandoned. It therefore cannot have been hostile, as it has not even thrown out a single resident. Only blocked raids.
Please, do keep the facts of the matter in mind when discussing this further.

[Praeceps]

I have voted For this resolution. I will not stand for the hypocrisy and attempts to mislead the WA from Aurelia.

[Adriatican]

Put simply, the current regional administration violated the tradition of invitation that so many have found their regional home through. Uninvited, aggressive, and obviously unwanted by the remaining inhabitants of the region, it is the duty of the Security Council to liberate this region, and re-affirm the strong precedence that regions may be run as active, inactive, full, or empty as their inhabitants would like, outside observers having no right to barge into such and decide to change it, with no invitation to do so; failure of this proposal will weaken nearly all future liberation requests, as the SC, through its rejection of this bill will be stating to the world, that any region may be taken over by outsiders, no matter the conditions, so long as those outsiders feign belief that they can do better.

I urge my fellow Member Nations to vote FOR the Proposal.

The single remaining native has responded to exactly zero telegrams, and exactly zero times in the RMB. There was no one in the region to be invited by, and no one to invite anyone. It was empty and abandoned. It therefore cannot have been hostile, as it has not even thrown out a single resident. Only blocked raids.
Please, do keep the facts of the matter in mind when discussing this further.

I’m firmly aware of the facts, not simply your preferred interpretation of them. I refer you once more to my statement, regardless of the remaining resident’s choice to post on the rmb, or not, to invite you into the region, or not, to respond to telegrams, or not; that resident isn’t under any obligation to do anything they don’t wish to, and their absence of action and activity, does not give you license to step in and do as you please, simply because you wish to.

[Kuriko]

Longer post coming later, I see you decided to change the WFE in Aurelia. Unfortunately for you, two things exist at this point in time:

1. The NS Data Dumps, which clearly shows every WFE of every region found here.

2. This pretty picture of the region that I happened to take

[Refuge Isle]

Longer post coming later, I see you decided to change the WFE in Aurelia.

To be fair, they get it right that they're the reason for the liberation

[Boda]

Longer post coming later, I see you decided to change the WFE in Aurelia. Unfortunately for you, two things exist at this point in time:

1. The NS Data Dumps, which clearly shows every WFE of every region found here.

2. This pretty picture of the region that I happened to take

(Image)

It is very clear you just intend to keep it as a trophy. If you wanted to refound it you should've done so maybe in the 200ish days you kept it.

[Christus Imperat]

The single remaining native has responded to exactly zero telegrams, and exactly zero times in the RMB. There was no one in the region to be invited by, and no one to invite anyone. It was empty and abandoned. It therefore cannot have been hostile, as it has not even thrown out a single resident. Only blocked raids.
Please, do keep the facts of the matter in mind when discussing this further.

I’m firmly aware of the facts, not simply your preferred interpretation of them. I refer you once more to my statement, regardless of the remaining resident’s choice to post on the rmb, or not, to invite you into the region, or not, to respond to telegrams, or not; that resident isn’t under any obligation to do anything they don’t wish to, and their absence of action and activity, does not give you license to step in and do as you please, simply because you wish to.

Your prejudice against Nord-Norden's attempt at ruling a region is apparent, but unproven. How is your past grievance relevant here?

I have no doubt that you'll win this--look at the votes--but the principle you stand on has yet to be stated, other than a tradition, which I haven't seen how it was broken. How is this victory just?

When a people has a voice, and refuses to use the voice, that is a refusal to contest, which legally works as well as an assent. Please refer to "Nihil Obstat" and "No Contest pleas" if you don't know what I'm talking about. If someone won't lift a finger to defend something, do they really want it?

Christus Imperat continues to be against this ruling. Christus Imperat is in favor of tradition, but only those that further life, not for those that keep a barren and abandoned region that is so hated by their members that they won't speak for it.

EDIT:

It is very clear you just intend to keep it as a trophy. If you wanted to refound it you should've done so maybe in the 200ish days you kept it.

This is the evidence I was curious if I would see. I concede that it is prejudicial to Nord-Norden's case.

[Kuriko]

Still leaving the longer post for later, but just want to reply to Nord-Norden's most recent RMB post here because I can't there.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=36984208

The Commonwealth of
Nord-Norden
69 minutes ago

Test Boat 12 wrote:
Wait, the Security Council resolution says that Auralia wants to refound the region. But, according to the resolution, Auralia has already been here for a while. If they wanted to refound the region, why haven’t they already done it?

Because it takes time. We don't deny we want to refound, but it's not "hostile" as we've thrown no one out.

To refound you'll need to kick out District-IV, which would constitute a hostile action by kicking a resident of Aurelia out of the region without their permission to refound it. Christus Imperat, I'm having a hard time understanding your posts so I don't really get your point. Boda, was that directed at me or Nord-Norden and Auralia? It's hard to tell.

[Boda]

That was directed to nord norden yes

[Kuriko]

Longer post coming later, I see you decided to change the WFE in Aurelia. Unfortunately for you, two things exist at this point in time:

1. The NS Data Dumps, which clearly shows every WFE of every region found here.

2. This pretty picture of the region that I happened to take

(Image)

Alright, my little bit of a longer post now that I have some time. I'm quoting my past post because this will specifically relate to the screenshot of the WFE before it was changed, as well as refute Nord-Norden's claims of being in the region benignly. So, to the WFE's language and word usage.

In the previous WFE we see two words that stand out, words that wouldn't normally appear in a benign operation. The first word we see is the word "conquered", which has zero benign connotations in the English language. If we search the Merriam Webster dictionary definition of the word it says:

Definition of conquer
transitive verb

1: to gain or acquire by force of arms : SUBJUGATE
conquer territory
2: to overcome by force of arms : VANQUISH
conquered the enemy

These two definitions of the word conquer show that in your use of the word it is being used in that context, as you're saying that you "conquered" Aurelia in the name of Nephmir II.

Now, let's look at the second word in the WFE that stands out. That word would be "raid", which also does not have any good connotations in the English language unless used in the sense of law enforcement upon unlawful actions. If we search the Merriam Webster dictionary definition of the word it says:

Definition of raid (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: a hostile or predatory incursion
b: a surprise attack by a small force

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Definition of hostile
1a: of or relating to an enemy
hostile fire
b: marked by malevolence : having or showing unfriendly feelings
a hostile act
c: openly opposed or resisting
a hostile critic
hostile to new ideas
d(1): not hospitable
plants growing in a hostile environment
(2): having an intimidating, antagonistic, or offensive nature
a hostile workplace
2a: of or relating to the opposing party in a legal controversy
a hostile witness
b: adverse to the interests of a property owner or corporation management
a hostile takeover

The main thing to take from this definition is the word "hostile", which its definition is also included above. Not very good word choices if you ask me. More to come in later posts, ran out of time.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: Also "we may now feast"

[A Bloodred Moon]

Why are we using the rl definition of “raid” again? Just use the NS one, everyone knows what you’re talking about.

[Mallorea and Riva]

If nothing else, kudos to Neph for getting a solid name drop.

[Lord Dominator]

If nothing else, kudos to Neph for getting a solid name drop.

First one of his in a SC resolution (presuming this one passes) at that

[Lyrical International Brigade]

...better for dead regions to get refounded rather than wasting the name.

...The region will remain a waste of the name and region space...

Holy shit, why didn't anyone tell me about the shortage of region names and region-building slots plaguing NationStates? This is an emergency!

[Midnight Sparkle]

From the Osiris Fraternal Order
From the Pharoah's Representative, the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs

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“As Ra circumnavigates the empyrean firmament, the populace of Osiris acknowledge him for their august and sublime opulence. After having taken council with Horus and her vassals, the daughter of Osiris and most beloved Pharaoh Anabelle I has resolved to vote AGAINST the proposition presently at-vote. The Pharaoh will vote according to the populace of Osiris, and according to the will of Horus. Her exertions are of the essence in perpetuate the equilibrium between order and chaos, truth and darkness, and Osiris will follow the guidance of our most beloved Pharoah. The regime of the Osiris Fraternal Order will deem nothing that does not meet the stipulations of Horus as meriting support. We will continue to pursue our moral responsibilities to the people, voting in favour of any propositions that will maintain and carry-forth the truth and honour that is presumed of all who dwell in the cradle of Osiris, and against those that do not. Cosmic Harmony is only maintained through expressing the will of the Pharaoh as the representative of Horus in Osiris. Although the Pharaoh has sanctioned this decision, the author of the proposal may petition the Royal Court of Osiris and the community of such to attempt to cajole and perhaps change the will of the gods, the Pharaoh, and the community of Osiris.

Blessings of Horus,
The Vizier of World Assembly Affairs, Lady Midnight Sparkle Hatyaa.

[Peoples Free Republic of Romania]

Founder of Auralia here. I think this Security Council resolution is useless, seeing as the only reason we did not go on with our plans for Aurelia is because of their last member, who remained in the region for as long as we held it, refusing to contact us. We allow regions to refound themselves, as we save their WFEs in case they need them, and are willing to cooperate with them if they need help refounding. Oh, and the WFE was different in the past, conquering in the name of "fun" among other things so yeah, we're not exactly the demons some other regions'll wish we are.

[Nord-Norden]

To Boda, or anyone else asking, we cannot and would not throw out anyone to refound. At this point we're waiting for the remaining nation to either CTE, move of their own accord, or at the very least respond to us in any way at all.

[Concrete Slab]

To Boda, or anyone else asking, we cannot and would not throw out anyone to refound. At this point we're waiting for the remaining nation to either CTE, move of their own accord, or at the very least respond to us in any way at all.

Are you just not going to talk about Kuriko's screenshot?

[Boda]

Fine. Why did you even take the region in the first place? Your making excuses for things that cannot be excused

[Boda]

Founder of Auralia here. I think this Security Council resolution is useless, seeing as the only reason we did not go on with our plans for Aurelia is because of their last member, who remained in the region for as long as we held it, refusing to contact us. We allow regions to refound themselves, as we save their WFEs in case they need them, and are willing to cooperate with them if they need help refounding. Oh, and the WFE was different in the past, conquering in the name of "fun" among other things so yeah, we're not exactly the demons some other regions'll wish we are.

What was fun about that? In your mind you may not be a demon but in many others you are with the constant spies and of course nephmir

[Kuriko]

Founder of Auralia here. I think this Security Council resolution is useless, seeing as the only reason we did not go on with our plans for Aurelia is because of their last member, who remained in the region for as long as we held it, refusing to contact us. We allow regions to refound themselves, as we save their WFEs in case they need them, and are willing to cooperate with them if they need help refounding. Oh, and the WFE was different in the past, conquering in the name of "fun" among other things so yeah, we're not exactly the demons some other regions'll wish we are.

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Last night a band of knights from the region of Auralia managed to be voted into power gaining control of the shared founder account of the region known as The Democratika!!! After three months of work and gaining trust in the region to pull this off we finally have managed to take the region. The Region once known as The Democratika will be cleared and held as a trophy for our glorious region that will shine our light into the darkness and spark a morale boost that will ripple across NS and show that no matter how difficult a region seems to be to take and that no region is safe from the forces known as RAIDERS!!!!

Long Live Auralia, Long Live Raiderdom, Forever shall we cast our shadow blessing NS with our presence!

As a reminder Raidercon is currently going on and all are invited to join!

[Nord-Norden]

Nephism is an in character religion of the region of Auralia. The region has had no contact with Nephmir for 3 years. In no way then is it under his instruction, which makes it another lie by the text of the resolution at vote. Honouring Nephmir is merely a tradition.

This is just me. Nord-Norden/Kalmartveir, who discovered the region about a year ago. It was empty say for District IV. I telegrammed the nation recommending a refound, as then District IV would not just be the only nation in the region, but the founder. After months of no response I figured I could do it myself. I enlisted the help of friends in Auralia to acquire WAD, so that I could appoint myself permanently, then they left. As is tradition, even though it was just for fun, we used a WFE template. I have changed it recently to reflect reality, as tradition is taken literally by the imperialist defender community.

[Praeceps]

The region has had no contact with Nephmir for 3 years.

Uh huh. Sure.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=36955698