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(ON HOLD) Commend United Counties of Escanaba

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(ON HOLD) Commend United Counties of Escanaba

Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:49 am

The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the nation of United Counties of Escanaba for dedication to their home region and contributions in the international community through military defense tactics,

NOTING that the United Counties of Escanaba has considerably shaped the 10000 Islands by having the most well-decorated recruitment record in the region and likely surpassing any other individual nation in the international community and that these honors include 29 different recruitment based awards,

IMPRESSED with the sheer willpower displayed by the delegation of United Counties of Escanaba in their sending of manual recruitment messages which number nearly 650,000 and that they have recruited nearly 17,500 nations to their homeland,

COGNIZANT that the United Counties Escanaba is one of the most well-deployed members of the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization (TITO) due to nearly 8 years of loyal and steadfast service and that they have deployed over 550 times, while gaining the title of Knight Galaxy Commander,

OBSERVING that during the course of their military career the United Counties of Escanaba has been awarded 25 different military honors and that the most notable designations include:

  • - the Commendation Medal that is awarded in recognition of exemplary efforts to raise the quality of life in the 10000 Islands,
  • - the Soldiers Medal for going above required expectations in the line of duty,
  • - the Order of the Islands for actions that have benefited the prosperity of the region in its entirety,

RECALLING that on numerous occasions the United Counties of Escanaba spotted raider activity in regions and prevented their potential destruction, some of these regions include Hack Forums 3, Schakastan, Sev Space 7, Scotland, Cascadia, and Christmas,

ACKNOWLEDGING that the United Counties of Escanaba participated in the re-establishment of international communities to their former peace and stability for the benefit of natives and that these include Tardis, Beyond the Sea, Deutschland, Australia, Animal House, Austria, Hogwarts, Cascadia, Korovia, Greece, United States Congress,

AWARE that the United Counties of Escanaba has deployed to high volume regions such as The South Pacific in response to the Milograd coup of 2013 when 3,000 natives were expelled from the region, and Lazarus during the New Lazarene Order coup of 2015, in which they were awarded the The South Pacific Liberation Medal and Lazarus Liberation Medal for each of these operations respectively,

ASSERTING that the United Counties of Escanaba has been designated as a Friend of Yggdrasil in honor of their friendship and goodwill towards that community which has formed an unbreakable inter-regional bond,

PLEASED that like several other nations Commended by this Council, the United Counties of Escanaba has been awarded the Heart of the Islands trophy which designates them as a legacy nation of the 10000 Islands and a sponsor of goodwill,

SEEKING to honor the hard work and memory of an exemplary nation whose work ethic may inspire those throughout the international community,

HEREBY commends United Counties of Escanaba.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:15 am

-the Soldiers Medal for going above required expectations in the line of duty,

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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:51 am

Kaschovia wrote:
-the Soldiers Medal for going above required expectations in the line of duty,

"Make sure you add that space after the hyphen. I know it's a minor change, but it's still worth noting."
Thank you, this has been actioned.
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Postby Padfootia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:50 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:RECALLING that on numerous occasions the United Counties of Escanaba spotted raider activity in regions and prevented their potential destruction, some of these regions include Hack Forums 3, Schakastan, Sev Space 7, Scotland, Cascadia, and Christmas,

ACKNOWLEDGING that the United Counties of Escanaba participated in the re-establishment of international communities to their former peace and stability for the benefit of natives and that these include Tardis, Beyond the Sea, Deutschland, Australia, Animal House, Austria, Hogwarts, Cascadia, Korovia, Greece, United States Congress,

The first clause doesn't show any proof why this nations deserves a commendation.

Why? On the bottom clause what is the point of it. You already said that the nation saved many regions before. These two clauses make know sense, if you want to keep them at least merge them.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:54 pm

Padfootia wrote:
Sargon Reman wrote:RECALLING that on numerous occasions the United Counties of Escanaba spotted raider activity in regions and prevented their potential destruction, some of these regions include Hack Forums 3, Schakastan, Sev Space 7, Scotland, Cascadia, and Christmas,

ACKNOWLEDGING that the United Counties of Escanaba participated in the re-establishment of international communities to their former peace and stability for the benefit of natives and that these include Tardis, Beyond the Sea, Deutschland, Australia, Animal House, Austria, Hogwarts, Cascadia, Korovia, Greece, United States Congress,

The first clause doesn't show any proof why this nations deserves a commendation.

Why? On the bottom clause what is the point of it. You already said that the nation saved many regions before. These two clauses make know sense, if you want to keep them at least merge them.
There is a key difference. Escanaba spotted raider activity in the regions of the first clause. In the second clause he aided in reestablishing those listed. Also known as a refound. Thus as a Defender, he stopped activity that was detrimental before it happened (first clause) and helped natives refound their communities (second clause). That's why they are separated.
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Postby Padfootia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:02 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:There is a key difference. Escanaba spotted raider activity in the regions of the first clause. In the second clause he aided in reestablishing those listed. Also known as a refound. Thus as a Defender, he stopped activity that was detrimental before it happened (first clause) and helped natives refound their communities (second clause). That's why they are separated.

There are many defenders that can spot raids but they don't get a commendation. So technically speaking spotting a few raids doesn't deserve a commendation. I can make the same argument here too. Just because with the help of other defenders in refounding regions doesn't mean they deserve to be commended. Even I could do that if I wanted. So my conclusion is that those two clauses are just extra rubbish in a good commendation. The rubbish will bring it down.


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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:24 pm

Padfootia wrote:
Sargon Reman wrote:There is a key difference. Escanaba spotted raider activity in the regions of the first clause. In the second clause he aided in reestablishing those listed. Also known as a refound. Thus as a Defender, he stopped activity that was detrimental before it happened (first clause) and helped natives refound their communities (second clause). That's why they are separated.

There are many defenders that can spot raids but they don't get a commendation. So technically speaking spotting a few raids doesn't deserve a commendation. I can make the same argument here too. Just because with the help of other defenders in refounding regions doesn't mean they deserve to be commended. Even I could do that if I wanted. So my conclusion is that those two clauses are just extra rubbish in a good commendation. The rubbish will bring it down.

Sargon may correct me here, but I believe those clauses are intended to be supplementary, so as to enforce the overall ethic of the player, rather than commend their individual actions. Yes, a lot of players could do what is stated in those clauses, but not a lot of players have done that in addition to all of the greater achievements this player has.

It is not the individual clauses which have to be assessed for their own commend-worthiness, but rather the sum of those clauses.

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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:28 pm

Kaschovia wrote:
Padfootia wrote:There are many defenders that can spot raids but they don't get a commendation. So technically speaking spotting a few raids doesn't deserve a commendation. I can make the same argument here too. Just because with the help of other defenders in refounding regions doesn't mean they deserve to be commended. Even I could do that if I wanted. So my conclusion is that those two clauses are just extra rubbish in a good commendation. The rubbish will bring it down.

Sargon may correct me here, but I believe those clauses are intended to be supplementary, so as to enforce the overall ethic of the player, rather than commend their individual actions. Yes, a lot of players could do what is stated in those clauses, but not a lot of players have done that in addition to all of the greater achievements this player has.

It is not the individual clauses which have to be assessed for their own commend-worthiness, but rather the sum of those clauses.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:37 pm

Why does this proposal follow a very significant structure to Kuriko's draft for the commendation of Markanite?

Also, allow me to echo a concern I brought up on Kuriko's thread: why is this so 10KI-focused? Please elaborate on how the player has spread interregional peace and goodwill, or made any significant contributions to the greater world outside of 10KI.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:41 pm

Kaschovia wrote:Why does this proposal follow a very significant structure to Kuriko's draft for the commendation of Markanite?

Very significant how? There appears to be vast differences between the two.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:45 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:
Kaschovia wrote:Why does this proposal follow a very significant structure to Kuriko's draft for the commendation of Markanite?

Very significant how? There appears to vast differences between the two.

Both begin with examples of how each nation has contributed to the executive branches of 10KI, then both segue into the military achievements, almost identical, mentioning deployment to operations against coups, some regions mentioned in both drafts, then both, in order, mention the Yggdrasil Medal of Honor and the Heart of the Islands Trophy, with almost identical definitions of those awards.

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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:50 pm

Kaschovia wrote:
Sargon Reman wrote:Very significant how? There appears to vast differences between the two.

Both begin with examples of how each nation has contributed to the executive branches of 10KI, then both segue into the military achievements, almost identical, mentioning deployment to operations against coups, some regions mentioned in both drafts, then both, in order, mention the Yggdrasil Medal of Honor and the Heart of the Islands Trophy, with almost identical definitions of those awards.

This Commendation mentions Escanaba's designation as a Friend of Yddragisil. He didn't get the medal of honor. As for the rest, Mark and Escanaba are both HOI recipients. That's factually correct. This denotes them as legacy nations. They must have both deployed to the same place. Thats not uncommon at all. I haven't read Mark's records I'm only familiar to Escanaba's case with his military records that I have.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:52 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:
Kaschovia wrote:Both begin with examples of how each nation has contributed to the executive branches of 10KI, then both segue into the military achievements, almost identical, mentioning deployment to operations against coups, some regions mentioned in both drafts, then both, in order, mention the Yggdrasil Medal of Honor and the Heart of the Islands Trophy, with almost identical definitions of those awards.

This Commendation mentions Escanaba's designation as a Friend of Yddragisil. He didn't get the medal of honor. As for the rest, Mark and Escanaba are both HOI recipients. That's factually correct. This denotes them as legacy nations. They must have both deployed to the same place. Thats not uncommon at all. I haven't read Mark's records I'm only familiar to Escanaba's case with his military records that I have.

In any case, allow me to echo a concern I brought up on Kuriko's thread: why is this so 10KI-focused? Please elaborate on how the player has spread interregional peace and goodwill, or made any significant contributions to the greater world outside of TITO and 10KI.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:55 pm

Kaschovia wrote:
Sargon Reman wrote:This Commendation mentions Escanaba's designation as a Friend of Yddragisil. He didn't get the medal of honor. As for the rest, Mark and Escanaba are both HOI recipients. That's factually correct. This denotes them as legacy nations. They must have both deployed to the same place. Thats not uncommon at all. I haven't read Mark's records I'm only familiar to Escanaba's case with his military records that I have.

In any case, allow me to echo a concern I brought up on Kuriko's thread: why is this so 10KI-focused? Please elaborate on how the player has spread interregional peace and goodwill, or made any significant contributions to the greater world outside of TITO and 10KI.
Your edit crossed with my post so I didn't see it. The draft does state:

"...contributions in the international community through military defense tactics"
This draft follows that general line of thought in addition to domestic achievements.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:05 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:
Kaschovia wrote:In any case, allow me to echo a concern I brought up on Kuriko's thread: why is this so 10KI-focused? Please elaborate on how the player has spread interregional peace and goodwill, or made any significant contributions to the greater world outside of TITO and 10KI.
Your edit crossed with my post so I didn't see it. The draft does state:

"...contributions in the international community through military defense tactics"
This draft follows that general line of thought in addition to domestic achievements.

That won't cut it for me, personally, I'm afraid.

What has Markanite done to contribute to the international community through his own motivation and personal interest as a player, rather than through a military organisation? Anyone can follow orders, but only a worthy few can carve their own path in the interregional space and truly make a difference through their own actions. Do you have any examples of this that would apply to Markanite?
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Postby Sargon Reman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:09 pm

Kaschovia wrote:
Sargon Reman wrote: Your edit crossed with my post so I didn't see it. The draft does state:

This draft follows that general line of thought in addition to domestic achievements.

That won't cut it for me, personally, I'm afraid.

What has Markanite done to contribute to the international community through his own motivation and personal interest as a player, rather than through a military organisation? Anyone can follow orders, but only a worthy few can carve their own path in the interregional space and truly make a difference through their own actions. Do you have any examples of this that would apply to Markanite?

I never expected that it would. I suggest you keep Markanite questions in the relevant thread. I will say that you should go pull up the Commendation I did on Woonsocket and the Commendation Kuriko did on Paffnia. Those have some similarities and they both passed.
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Postby Kaschovia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:16 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:
Kaschovia wrote:That won't cut it for me, personally, I'm afraid.

What has Markanite done to contribute to the international community through his own motivation and personal interest as a player, rather than through a military organisation? Anyone can follow orders, but only a worthy few can carve their own path in the interregional space and truly make a difference through their own actions. Do you have any examples of this that would apply to Markanite?

I never expected that it would. I suggest you keep Markanite questions in the relevant thread. I will say that you should go pull up the Commendation I did on Woonsocket and the Commendation Kuriko did on Paffnia. Those have some similarities and they both passed.

I apologise, it is rather late here.

I ask you the same question, but for UCE. Nations should not be commended for their actions, achievements, and awards within one region. What has UCE done outside of the sphere of military gameplay and 10KI to deserve a commendation?

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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:32 am

Who? And who? Yet another 10K Islands member, being commended by a member of the 10K Islands government. How quaint.

NOTING that the United Counties of Escanaba has considerably shaped the 10000 Islands by having the most well-decorated recruitment record in the region and likely surpassing any other individual nation in the international community and that these honors include 29 different recruitment based awards,

IMPRESSED with the sheer willpower displayed by the delegation of United Counties of Escanaba in their sending of manual recruitment messages which number nearly 650,000 and that they have recruited nearly 17,500 nations to their homeland,


Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages. That does not make a commendation. How many of those nations stayed to make a difference?

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Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages

Correction: the resolution says manual recruitment messages. He didn't use stamps or API. He sent them all manually. :p
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:20 am

Wayneactia wrote:Who? And who? Yet another 10K Islands member, being commended by a member of the 10K Islands government. How quaint.

NOTING that the United Counties of Escanaba has considerably shaped the 10000 Islands by having the most well-decorated recruitment record in the region and likely surpassing any other individual nation in the international community and that these honors include 29 different recruitment based awards,

IMPRESSED with the sheer willpower displayed by the delegation of United Counties of Escanaba in their sending of manual recruitment messages which number nearly 650,000 and that they have recruited nearly 17,500 nations to their homeland,


Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages. That does not make a commendation. How many of those nations stayed to make a difference?

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Postby East Meranopirus » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:39 am

Sargon Reman wrote:
Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages

Correction: the resolution says manual recruitment messages. He didn't use stamps or API. He sent them all manually. :p

Tons of manual telegrams does not a commendation make.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:44 am

Sargon Reman wrote:
Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages

Correction: the resolution says manual recruitment messages. He didn't use stamps or API. He sent them all manually. :p


Once again, who gives a flying fuck?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:44 am

Marxist Germany wrote:[OOC: Based on the current 6 second cooldown per TG, the shortest amount of time it would take to send 650k TGs is 1083 hours of continuous grinding or 45 days.

Ah, so not having a life is now worthy of a Commendation. :)
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Postby Numero Capitan » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:41 am

Not convinced this one is going to have the weight it needs. Escanaba's contributions to 10KI are phenomenal, their recruitment efforts are insane. But unfortunately that doesn't have much NS world-wide significance

Similarly, their TITO battle stars have all been earned without ever being a member of TITO command, correct me if I am wrong? Certainly the vast majority. So they have been an extremely consistent contributor for many years but rarely a pivotal individual in the operations. The spotting notes are worth mentioning, but none of those are significant raids from what I can recall and certainly the numbers aren't there to be significant in the context of the defender community.

Escanaba earned Sir Lans Award for updater of the year in 2015, I would mention that if you were going to push on with this.

However I think their contributions are incredibly significant in a regional context, but not so much in an international context.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:06 am

Sargon Reman wrote:
Who gives a shit someone has sent over 650k recruitment messages

Correction: the resolution says manual recruitment messages. He didn't use stamps or API. He sent them all manually. :p

Something for the relevant region to commend, maybeso, but that's all...
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