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MineLegotia and Equestria
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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:27 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Baltimare State wrote:

Or, it would radicalize them even more. Isolation means the creation of an echo chamber, the more you isolate them, the less likely they’ll change. They’ll most likely hear everything you say, and you’ll never hear anything they say of you as you isolate them.

The longer this goes on, the more radical they become. If you shut somebody down for their opinions, they’ll be scared and change their opinions, or... they become convinced their opinions are correct, and you are just scared about the truth. They become emboldened, more confident, more willing to initiate a “Crusade” against your ideals in the name of theirs.

I have a friend who has seen this first hand, and he told me, “The more a enemy group(s) pushes a group with a specific ideal, the more United they become,”. The more a coalition is formed against them, the more likely they will believe in their cause.


Radicalize? You may be conflating real life for mildly annoying. They have next to no chance of accomplishing anything, and Joco knows this.


*mumbles cookie*

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Postby Youssath » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:14 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: I have removed the convinced clause, but I still believe that the only purpose of a liberation is to protect from raiders, condemnations exist for a reason.


Whilst I agree, this will fail spectacularly. It does need to be repealed, but it won't happen. I suggest you drop this. It is not worth sacrificing your possible career on this.

It does have to be repealed. Not because of whatever the CCD is doing or whatsoever, but that this goes against the very definition of "liberation".

And I will start educating y'all on what justifies a liberation resolution on the Security Council, directly from the Guide to the Security Council, which is grossly pinned on this forum.

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I will rest my case on this matter. A liberation resolution is not appropriate here, and it only serves the violate the very definitions of imposing a "liberation" resolution in the first place.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:43 am

Blood Wine wrote:the 5th failure

we all get a free cookie!

OOC: It's technically on hold until further notice.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:07 am

Youssath wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
Whilst I agree, this will fail spectacularly. It does need to be repealed, but it won't happen. I suggest you drop this. It is not worth sacrificing your possible career on this.

It does have to be repealed. Not because of whatever the CCD is doing or whatsoever, but that this goes against the very definition of "liberation".

And I will start educating y'all on what justifies a liberation resolution on the Security Council, directly from the Guide to the Security Council, which is grossly pinned on this forum.

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I will rest my case on this matter. A liberation resolution is not appropriate here, and it only serves the violate the very definitions of imposing a "liberation" resolution in the first place.

Outdated & disregarded.

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Postby Youssath » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:08 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Outdated & disregarded.

And then why exactly is this part of the guide in the Security Council? As Security Council members, we ought to uphold the definitions and clarity of what constitutes a "liberation" in the first place, don't you agree?

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:24 am

Youssath wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Outdated & disregarded.

And then why exactly is this part of the guide in the Security Council? As Security Council members, we ought to uphold the definitions and clarity of what constitutes a "liberation" in the first place, don't you agree?

Of course. Which is why preventative/pre-emptive liberations are legal and allowed.
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Postby Youssath » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:27 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Youssath wrote:And then why exactly is this part of the guide in the Security Council? As Security Council members, we ought to uphold the definitions and clarity of what constitutes a "liberation" in the first place, don't you agree?

Of course. Which is why preventative/pre-emptive are legal and allowed.

Not exactly preventative and pre-emptive liberation if the natives have explicitly stated down in their regional laws and the members to the CCD join in their own accord, no? In such a scenario, is this even a preventative liberation in the first place, or are you guys trying to take down regions that do not conform to your own?

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:29 am

Blood Wine wrote:the 5th failure

we all get a free cookie!

Cheers my dears.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 am

Youssath wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Of course. Which is why preventative/pre-emptive are legal and allowed.

Not exactly preventative and pre-emptive liberation if the natives have explicitly stated down in their regional laws and the members to the CCD join in their own accord, no? In such a scenario, is this even a preventative liberation in the first place, or are you guys trying to take down regions that do not conform to your own?

The plan was to liberate the region, wait for Joc to get DEATed, and then invade. It was, however, a stupid-ass plan that was never going to work.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Youssath wrote:Not exactly preventative and pre-emptive liberation if the natives have explicitly stated down in their regional laws and the members to the CCD join in their own accord, no? In such a scenario, is this even a preventative liberation in the first place, or are you guys trying to take down regions that do not conform to your own?

The plan was to liberate the region, wait for Joc to get DEATed, and then invade. It was, however, a stupid-ass plan that was never going to work.

You seem to speak in the past-tense, NS ain't over yet ;)

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Postby Youssath » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:28 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:The plan was to liberate the region, wait for Joc to get DEATed, and then invade. It was, however, a stupid-ass plan that was never going to work.

You seem to speak in the past-tense, NS ain't over yet ;)

That's what we want you to think. We are still here to defend. ;)

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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:25 am

Youssath wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Of course. Which is why preventative/pre-emptive are legal and allowed.

Not exactly preventative and pre-emptive liberation if the natives have explicitly stated down in their regional laws and the members to the CCD join in their own accord, no? In such a scenario, is this even a preventative liberation in the first place, or are you guys trying to take down regions that do not conform to your own?


He has a point
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Postby Blood Wine » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:47 am

Youssath wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
Whilst I agree, this will fail spectacularly. It does need to be repealed, but it won't happen. I suggest you drop this. It is not worth sacrificing your possible career on this.

It does have to be repealed. Not because of whatever the CCD is doing or whatsoever, but that this goes against the very definition of "liberation".

And I will start educating y'all on what justifies a liberation resolution on the Security Council, directly from the Guide to the Security Council, which is grossly pinned on this forum.

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I will rest my case on this matter. A liberation resolution is not appropriate here, and it only serves the violate the very definitions of imposing a "liberation" resolution in the first place.


Nice cherrypicking

to quote literally the next line
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