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[DRAFT] Liberate Lardyland

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[DRAFT] Liberate Lardyland

Postby Ballpit » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:56 am

The Security Council,
Noting that Lardyland at this point in time is not yet founderless;

Understanding that embassies typically denote friendly relations with fellow regions and disturbed by Lardyland's insistence on disregarding that by sending out endless requests for embassies to other regions regardless of their identity or affinity to Lardyland or its adherents;

Appalled by Lardyland’s practise of stealing the symbology and identity of fellow nations and regions, and by the region's use of inappropriate or disrespectful flags as the regional icon;

Abhorred by Lardyland's choice to join an alliance with Fascist regions merely to further a collection of meaningless embassies with condemned regions and their adherents, the most notable alliance being the Virtu Alliance with Farkasfalka;

Believing that a region such as Lardyland, whose practices of constructing embassies with Nazi and Fascist regions, disturbing other regions and defiling their own with disruptive tactics such as spam and sending member nations to plague the properties of other regions has not earned the right to rest peacefully;

Further Believing that Liberating Lardyland will serve as a warning to other regions, a warning that certain standards are upheld by this Assembly, and that failure to acknowledge and comply with these standards will result in the Security Council taking action;

Acknowledging that Liberating Lardyland, which has built its reputation on spam, will leave the region open to invasion after its founder leaves;

Hereby Liberates Lardyland.
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Postby Woryand » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:08 am

Hasn't Lardyland changed its main region to Meat? If so, what is the point of liberating a dead region?
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Postby Ballpit » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:16 pm

Woryand wrote:Hasn't Lardyland changed its main region to Meat? If so, what is the point of liberating a dead region?



Read my pretitle.

Besides, I could always liberate both. The resolution itself does serve as a warning, yes? :P

Not to mention that the reason they moved is due to a pretty inactive founder presence within Lardyland, making the aforementioned region more viable for a liberation.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:22 pm

"No, I am categorically opposed to offensive liberations, the Security Council is not a place for this. Offensive liberations are fundamentally wrong because they defeat the purpose of a liberation which is to help regions from raiders, not help raiders attack regions."
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:32 pm

The region is passworded by the founder nation, therefore the resolution would never have an effect upon it. Against because I doubt the other ROs would remove the password, as well as the fact that the password is set to visible and anyone with a sleeper in there can see it.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:56 pm

Kuriko wrote:The region is passworded by the founder nation, therefore the resolution would never have an effect upon it.


Didn't seem to stop liberation's of NE, CCD, and how many others? Not saying it is a good idea, just seems a tad hypocritical of you to call the author out for it.
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Postby Ballpit » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Kuriko wrote:The region is passworded by the founder nation, therefore the resolution would never have an effect upon it.


Didn't seem to stop liberation's of NE, CCD, and how many others? Not saying it is a good idea, just seems a tad hypocritical of you to call the author out for it.


I would expect defenderdom to vote as such. :P

And it doesn't do nothing, it sets the stage, and it warns other regions that the behaviour displayed by the subject in question is unacceptable.


Nonetheless, I'm not here to see who votes in what way. Unless you have feedback relative to the proposal itself of what you think could potentially need a change, please don't waste everyone's time with a "I would vote this way" comment.

Thanks in advance. o/
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Postby Praeceps » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:the purpose of a liberation... is to help regions from raiders

Do you have a source for this?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:03 pm

Ballpit wrote:Nonetheless, I'm not here to see who votes in what way. Unless you have feedback relative to the proposal itself of what you think could potentially need a change, please don't waste everyone's time with a "I would vote this way" comment.

Thanks in advance. o/


Life sucks doesn't it? You posted the draft, so you takes your chances. Either way, it is a dead region and a waste of time. Badge hunt somewhere else.
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[DRAFT] Liberate Lardyland

Postby Malphe II » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:06 pm

I can see the arguments for wanting notable places which still have founders to be liberated (like KREICH or something) but Lardyland imho isnt that notable + it isnt even in use anymore. The most notable thing they've ever done is embassy spam.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:46 pm

So it seems you wish to punish the target region for spam. However, spam is against NS rules and should be dealt with by Moderation. Therefore your proposal might well be falling foul of Rule 2(c).

If you wish to pursue this uninspiring badge hunt then it might be best to lose all references to spam.
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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:41 am

So euh...that's it? Spam, some inappropriate flags and ties with fascist regions? I know that the last one always does well when trying to get support for a proposal, but I think you may need just a few more arguments to actually have this go anywhere.

Not to mention that spam and inappropriate flags are probably more of a moderation-related issue, and not something the SC should be dealing with.
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:57 am

Ballpit wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
Didn't seem to stop liberation's of NE, CCD, and how many others? Not saying it is a good idea, just seems a tad hypocritical of you to call the author out for it.


I would expect defenderdom to vote as such. :P

And it doesn't do nothing, it sets the stage, and it warns other regions that the behaviour displayed by the subject in question is unacceptable.


Nonetheless, I'm not here to see who votes in what way. Unless you have feedback relative to the proposal itself of what you think could potentially need a change, please don't waste everyone's time with a "I would vote this way" comment.

Thanks in advance. o/

There is no thread ownership in the SC, so you cannot tell us what we can or cannot say in this thread. If we want to say that we will vote one way or another in this thread we are allowed to do so. Also, you may not be aware of this but my having a sleeper in Spam is what led to its downfall faster than it would have nornally taken. I have no love for those in Lardyland or Meat.

Also, I'll point out that the author of this resolution was a member of the Lardyland community in 2018. Whether or not this is in retaliation for something, or because they don't like the community anymore, I can't say. Evidence: http://nsdossier.texasregion.net//histo ... tart=&end=

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Kuriko wrote:The region is passworded by the founder nation, therefore the resolution would never have an effect upon it.


Didn't seem to stop liberation's of NE, CCD, and how many others? Not saying it is a good idea, just seems a tad hypocritical of you to call the author out for it.


NE and CCD have about a 95% chance of having their founders deleted with no warning and without them being able to password the region beforehand, whereas Lardyland is already passworded by the founder at this point. Your argument is moot when it comes to comparing the two.
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Postby Ballpit » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:53 am

Kuriko wrote:
Ballpit wrote:
I would expect defenderdom to vote as such. :P

And it doesn't do nothing, it sets the stage, and it warns other regions that the behaviour displayed by the subject in question is unacceptable.


Nonetheless, I'm not here to see who votes in what way. Unless you have feedback relative to the proposal itself of what you think could potentially need a change, please don't waste everyone's time with a "I would vote this way" comment.

Thanks in advance. o/

There is no thread ownership in the SC, so you cannot tell us what we can or cannot say in this thread. If we want to say that we will vote one way or another in this thread we are allowed to do so. Also, you may not be aware of this but my having a sleeper in Spam is what led to its downfall faster than it would have nornally taken. I have no love for those in Lardyland or Meat.

Also, I'll point out that the author of this resolution was a member of the Lardyland community in 2018. Whether or not this is in retaliation for something, or because they don't like the community anymore, I can't say. Evidence: http://nsdossier.texasregion.net//histo ... tart=&end=

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Didn't seem to stop liberation's of NE, CCD, and how many others? Not saying it is a good idea, just seems a tad hypocritical of you to call the author out for it.


NE and CCD have about a 95% chance of having their founders deleted with no warning and without them being able to password the region beforehand, whereas Lardyland is already passworded by the founder at this point. Your argument is moot when it comes to comparing the two.



I was indeed a member of Lardyland yes, when I infiltrated and couped the place on 3 separate occasions. But I fail to see how my residency in the subject region has relevance to my intentions of the proposal?

Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only one taking steps to make lots of people's daydreams of burning lardyland into a reality painted in gold?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:16 am

OOC: There is literally a founder password, there is no reason for this liberation.
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Postby Malphe » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:20 am

Ballpit wrote:Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only one taking steps to make lots of people's daydreams of burning lardyland into a reality painted in gold?

tbqf I don't think most people really put any thought to Lardyland, even less than they did before. Don't try to bank off everyone just wanting to see Lardyland get yeeted for your proposal to pass, doesn't change that there honestly isn't that much to work with for a liberation imho beyond the embassy spamming and being buddy with some fascists.

I get that you want to raid the region, I get that NPO probably does in general and yeah fair game, offensive libs for the benefit of a specific org have been a thing before but I don't think there's enough material here to justify it.
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Postby Ballpit » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:20 pm

Malphe wrote:
Ballpit wrote:Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only one taking steps to make lots of people's daydreams of burning lardyland into a reality painted in gold?

tbqf I don't think most people really put any thought to Lardyland, even less than they did before. Don't try to bank off everyone just wanting to see Lardyland get yeeted for your proposal to pass, doesn't change that there honestly isn't that much to work with for a liberation imho beyond the embassy spamming and being buddy with some fascists.

I get that you want to raid the region, I get that NPO probably does in general and yeah fair game, offensive libs for the benefit of a specific org have been a thing before but I don't think there's enough material here to justify it.



Yeah I get that, fair enough. It may be a Hail Mary but it is my first ever WA proposal, and everyone's gotta start somewhere. Humble beginnings and all that. x)

I appreciate all the comments thus far and am considering all that is said.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:16 pm

The target region looks like it's run by an immature thirteen-year-old and the liberation would do nothing. Opposed.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:28 pm

Kuriko wrote:NE and CCD have about a 95% chance of having their founders deleted with no warning and without them being able to password the region beforehand, whereas Lardyland is already passworded by the founder at this point. Your argument is moot when it comes to comparing the two.


Do you have a source for this or are you just floating a hope? As far as I am aware, German Dragons has never received a warning, and Joco seems to be pretty clean as well. Contrary to popular belief, the mods don't don't delete founders, just because they happen to be unpopular or controversial.
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Postby Johanneslanden » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:08 am

Lardyland doesn't need any more recognition than it already has

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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:17 am

Woryand wrote:Hasn't Lardyland changed its main region to Meat? If so, what is the point of liberating a dead region?


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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:02 am

Ballpit wrote:The Security Council,
Noting that Lardyland at this point in time is not yet founderless;

Understanding that embassies typically denote friendly relations with fellow regions and disturbed by Lardyland's insistence on disregarding that by sending out endless requests for embassies to other regions regardless of their identity or affinity to Lardyland or its adherents;

Appalled by Lardyland’s practise of stealing the symbology and identity of fellow nations and regions, and by the region's use of inappropriate or disrespectful flags as the regional icon;

Abhorred by Lardyland's choice to join an alliance with Fascist regions merely to further a collection of meaningless embassies with condemned regions and their adherents, the most notable alliance being the Virtu Alliance with Farkasfalka;

Believing that a region such as Lardyland, whose practices of constructing embassies with Nazi and Fascist regions, disturbing other regions and defiling their own with disruptive tactics such as spam and sending member nations to plague the properties of other regions has not earned the right to rest peacefully;

Further Believing that Liberating Lardyland will serve as a warning to other regions, a warning that certain standards are upheld by this Assembly, and that failure to acknowledge and comply with these standards will result in the Security Council taking action;

Acknowledging that Liberating Lardyland, which has built its reputation on spam, will leave the region open to invasion after its founder leaves;

Hereby Liberates Lardyland.

There is seriously no point in this. If it’s a warning it’s more of an invitation that you can spam embassy requests and make an embassy with Farkasfalka to get a few days of spotlight. I don’t like Lardyland but it is most certainly not relevant anymore and a proposal like this will make them slightly relevant again. A spammy region that is dead now should remain dead.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:04 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Kuriko wrote:NE and CCD have about a 95% chance of having their founders deleted with no warning and without them being able to password the region beforehand, whereas Lardyland is already passworded by the founder at this point. Your argument is moot when it comes to comparing the two.


Do you have a source for this or are you just floating a hope? As far as I am aware, German Dragons has never received a warning, and Joco seems to be pretty clean as well. Contrary to popular belief, the mods don't don't delete founders, just because they happen to be unpopular or controversial.

Jocospor has had brushes with mods for recruitment nonsense. NE account is controlled by a few so it takes one to post some hateful remark and poof.

Edit: And it’s submitted despite general negative feedback.
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