[Draft] Condemn Hell

[Bormiar]

Just whipped this out. I believe that many people will be opposed to the idea based on the assumption that something done in a day-long event cannot be considered laudable, but I also believe that very few people have the dedication and organizational skills to make a large faction, yet Hell (a small region) did this impeccably, thus is laudable. Additionally, considering the roleplay roots of the World Assembly, it would only seem ridiculous to gloss over an impressive feat (small region destroying several GCRs and winning) based on an anti-mini game sentiment.

Anyways, this is a very rough draft and proof of concept (Wanna here what people think about the concept so I don't waste time on it). It needs work done on some Horsemen tactics and their rough-ish origins (I believe N-Day 2) and development.

Also it's only half-serious. Half is just fun.

The Security Council,

Recently reminded of “Nuclear Day”, in which nations are permitted to create and use nuclear weapons,

Aware of the devastating affect of these immoral weapons, which have eradicated tens of thousands of nations with their gargantuan explosives and radiation,

Impressed by many regions fervent attempts at international peace and their many attempts at achieving it, such as the vitally important creation of “non-aggression pacts”, in which factions will agree to not attack each other,

Recognizing that since it’s commendation in SC # 197, Hell’s leadership has been corrupted, having created Horsemen of the Apocalypse, a nuclear faction bent on the destruction of NationStates and fueled by apocalyptic religious superstition,

Regarding Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s nuclear production with disdain, as the faction is built off of the backs of thousands of enslaved colonies, who are additionally dehumanized by their names, which are numbered and derivative of each other,

Horrified by the egregiously immoral character of Horsemen of the Apocalypse, exhibited by:
Their annihilation of factions such as The Minotaurs, It All Goes Karputsk in the End, Catholic Alliance, NSLeft Podadist Front, Crimson Sea Missile Command, All Nations Against Liberals, Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles, cRoMaC ft. All the Boys, and many more.
Their lack of respect for non-aggression pacts, which is shown by their betrayal of (among others) UPPERCUTS, a large faction created for mutual defense,

Shocked by Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s unfitting attitude in regards to nuclear warfare, as it carelessly destroys nations only to satisfy a sadistic point system it chooses to use (as though it were a game!),

Also shocked by Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s treatment of “Nuclear Day” as a holiday, and how it affectionately calls this day “N-Day”,

Believing that extraordinarily destructive inter-regional nuclear warfare is a matter of international concern, and that Horsemen of the Apocalypse has embodied evil in this regard,

Hereby condemns Hell for its creation and maintaining of Horsemen of the Apocalypse

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I like where this is going, Bormiar certainly has some unique ideas for SC resolutions. Support!

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

First off, I think it'd be unfair to mention Hell calling it N-Day. Literally everyone in participation calls it that and the game treats it as a special event. Nearly everyone who plays also views it as a holiday of some sort. Not just Hell.

Also, I'm not really on board with this. Like you mentioned, N-Day lasts for one day a year. It'd be exactly the same as condemning a region for spreading the zombie outbreak. In fact, UPPERCUT won N-Day last year, why isn't TNP or one of the other regions involved condemned?

Sorry, I don't think this would work in its current state. Creative idea but it's all one big circumstantial and hypocritical argument.

[Bormiar]

First off, I think it'd be unfair to mention Hell calling it N-Day. Literally everyone in participation calls it that and the game treats it as a special event. Nearly everyone who plays also views it as a holiday of some sort. Not just Hell.

That's a joke of hypocrisy.

Also, I'm not really on board with this. Like you mentioned, N-Day lasts for one day a year. It'd be exactly the same as condemning a region for spreading the zombie outbreak. In fact, UPPERCUT won N-Day last year, why isn't TNP or one of the other regions involved condemned?

TNP probably had 40 real people and it had a bunch of other GCRs with it.

First off, I think it'd be unfair to mention Hell calling it N-Day. Literally everyone in participation calls it that and the game treats it as a special event. Nearly everyone who plays also views it as a holiday of some sort. Not just Hell.

Sorry, I don't think this would work in its current state. Creative idea but it's all one big circumstantial and hypocritical argument.

Lucky I'm not to adamant about that.

[The Peoples Mandate]

You misspelled commend

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

This is cool and all but when can we start condemning large regions for spreading diseases during N-day?

[Lord Dominator]

Opposed

[WayNeacTia]

Let's not and say we did. This is as bad as trying to condemn Misley for winning the Secretary-General election.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Opposed

Let's not and say we did. This is as bad as trying to condemn Misley for winning the Secretary-General election.

Why?

[WayNeacTia]

Opposed

Let's not and say we did. This is as bad as trying to condemn Misley for winning the Secretary-General election.

Why?

It isn't warranted. Hell has done nothing to deserve to be condemned.

[Lord Dominator]

If you need a further reason besides standard N Day things not proving particularly condemnable, I'll quote this:

very few people have the dedication and organizational skills to make a large faction, yet Hell (a small region) did this impeccably,

A 'few' people would be correct - the vast majority of the activity from the Horsemen was from 6-8 puppetmasters, not as you seem to presume a great multitude (not to say there wasn't one, just that it wasn't the main source of things). Impressive most certainly, but not particularly condemnable.

That is, no more so than any of the other large factions with their respective populations and organizations.

[Praeceps]

As mentioned in their post on the forums (and I touched on in the SC Discord channel), they list 9 individuals as being (mainly) responsible. Of those nations, only 2 are in Hell (the region).

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

"We are still reeling from their unprovoked assault upon NSLeft in spite of the fact we've gone out of our way not to interfere with Hell in any way. Full support. It's time that death cult faces justice for once."

[Altmoras]

"We are still reeling from their unprovoked assault upon NSLeft in spite of the fact we've gone out of our way not to interfere with Hell in any way. Full support. It's time that death cult faces justice for once."

Being weak is provocation.

[Eumaeus]

The Security Council,

Recently reminded of “Nuclear Day”, in which nations are permitted to create and use nuclear weapons,

Aware of the devastating affect of these immoral weapons, which have eradicated tens of thousands of nations with their gargantuan explosives and radiation,

Impressed by many regions' fervent attempts at international peace and their many attempts at achieving it, such as the vitally important creation of “non-aggression pacts”, in which factions will agree to not attack each other,

You were missing an apostrophe.

Recognizing that since its commendation in SC # 197, Hell’s leadership has been corrupted, having created Horsemen of the Apocalypse, a nuclear faction bent on the destruction of NationStates and fueled by apocalyptic religious superstition,

Wrong "it's".

Regarding Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s nuclear production with disdain, as the faction is built off of the backs of thousands of enslaved colonies, who are additionally dehumanized by their names, which are numbered and derivative of each other,

I chuckled out loud at this clause, very creative

Horrified by the egregiously immoral character of Horsemen of the Apocalypse, exhibited by:
Their annihilation of factions such as The Minotaurs, It All Goes Karputsk in the End, Catholic Alliance, NSLeft Podadist Front, Crimson Sea Missile Command, All Nations Against Liberals, Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles, cRoMaC ft. All the Boys, and many more.
Their lack of respect for non-aggression pacts, which is shown by their betrayal of (among others) UPPERCUTS, a large faction created for mutual defense,

I find your lack of list coding disturbing. I'm not sure if you intended to add it later or not, but the current format is not aesthetically pleasing.

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[list]Horrified by the egregiously immoral character of Horsemen of the Apocalypse, exhibited by:
[*]Their annihilation of factions such as The Minotaurs, It All Goes Karputsk in the End, Catholic Alliance, NSLeft Podadist Front, Crimson Sea Missile Command, All Nations Against Liberals, Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles, cRoMaC ft. All the Boys, and many more.
[*]Their lack of respect for non-aggression pacts, which is shown by their betrayal of (among others) UPPERCUTS, a large faction created for mutual defense,[/list]

Shocked by Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s unfitting attitude in regards to nuclear warfare, as it carelessly destroys nations only to satisfy a sadistic point system it chooses to use (as though it were a game!),

Personally, I think this would be funnier if it were actually incorporated into the sentence instead of added in as an aside.

Also shocked by Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s treatment of “Nuclear Day” as a holiday, and how it affectionately calls this day “N-Day”,

I don't know if this being a "joke of hypocrisy" really mitigates this clause. If I hadn't read the thread I would have made a similar comment to MMF, and as we all know most voters do not read the forum debate when considering a proposal.

Believing that extraordinarily destructive inter-regional nuclear warfare is a matter of international concern, and that Horsemen of the Apocalypse has embodied evil in this regard,

Hereby condemns Hell for its creation and maintaining of Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Missing period.

Overall it's well written, but I'm just not sure I can support a proposal based solely on actions undertaken during an event. It would set a precedent that would be reared after every Z-Day, every April Fools event, and every single N-Day moving forward. I think that using mini-game accomplishments as arguments is perfectly acceptable if they are peripheral/secondary arguments, but as the primary (and in this case only) argument for a C/C they simply can't be enough.

And this isn't to gloss over or discount how impressive the Horsemen's accomplishments are, btw. They were highly coordinated and deserved the win. The build up to, and execution of their assault on Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles gave me an adrenaline spike that I haven't felt since my last high school hockey game.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

"We are still reeling from their unprovoked assault upon NSLeft in spite of the fact we've gone out of our way not to interfere with Hell in any way. Full support. It's time that death cult faces justice for once."

Being weak is provocation.

"We were among the top 10 factions at that time, and had a formidable arsenal of shields and nuclear missiles at our disposal, not to mention production. We were far from being weak, contrary to your erroneous claim."

[Lord Dominator]

Being weak is provocation.

"We were among the top 10 factions at that time, and had a formidable arsenal of shields and nuclear missiles at our disposal, not to mention production. We were far from being weak, contrary to your erroneous claim."

Weak is a relative term. Few, maybe only one, factions were not weak to the Horsemen.

[Flanderlion]

"We were among the top 10 factions at that time, and had a formidable arsenal of shields and nuclear missiles at our disposal, not to mention production. We were far from being weak, contrary to your erroneous claim."

Weak is a relative term. Few, maybe only one, factions were not weak to the Horsemen.

They were strong on paper if we're both talking about Uppercut, but melted very quickly.

[Bormiar]

I fixed it, Eumaeus:

The Security Council,

Recently reminded of an international holiday, N-Day, in which nations suddenly gain an influx of disposable cash and use it not to prevent poverty, treat diseases, or feed people, but instead make weapons of mass destruction, as any sane person would,

Aware of the devastating affect of these weapon’s flippant usage, as, scientifically, they turn nations into large smokey mushrooms,

Impressed by many regions fervent attempts at avoiding mushrooms, such as the creation of vitally-important-but-egregiously-misused “non-aggression pacts” that good factions abide by,

Recognizing that since its commendation in SC # 197, Hell’s leadership has been corrupted, having created Horsemen of the Apocalypse, a nuclear faction bent on the destruction of NationStates and fueled by apocalyptic religious superstition,

Regarding Horsemen of the Apocalypse’s nuclear production with disdain, as the faction is built off of the backs of thousands of enslaved colonies, who are additionally dehumanized by their names, which are numbered and derivative of each other,

Deploring Hell’s choice to recruit Roavin, Vincent Drake, and several other “fendas”, sadly proving yet again that all defenders are evil,

Horrified by the immoral deeds of Horsemen of the Apocalypse which Bobberino’s leaders are still salty about, such as:

1. Their annihilation of factions such as The Minotaurs, It All Goes Karputsk in the End, NSLeft Podadist Front, Crimson Sea Missile Command, All Nations Against Liberals, Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles, cRoMaC ft. All the Boys, and many more.
2. Their lack of respect for non-aggression pacts, which is shown by their betrayal of UPPERCUTS, a large faction created for mutual defense,

Shocked that Horsemen of the Apocalypse choose to treat NationStates as a game, even going as far as to obliterate an innocent factions just to satisfy a sadistic point system they use!

Further shocked that Horsemen’s evil assault of Teenage Mutant Nuking Turtles gave Eumaeus’ engineers an adrenaline spike they hadn’t felt since their last high school hockey game, and that’s pretty sadistic,

Hereby condemns Hell for its creation and maintaining of Horsemen of the Apocalypse

[Aclion]

Their lack of respect for non-aggression pacts, which is shown by their betrayal of (among others) UPPERCUTS, a large faction created for mutual defense,

as far a I know they didn't have any NAPs other then the UPPERCUT and Canopy. They didn't betray Canopy(unless you count stealing our spotlight by having 0 radiation) so saying among others is just not true.

[ArenaC]

UPPERCUTS strategic specialist during N-Day⁴ here, agreeing to this proposal.

[ArenaC]

UPPERCUTS strategic specialist during N-Day⁴ here, agreeing to this proposal.

haha actually nah

[Xentherida]

UPPERCUTS strategic specialist during N-Day⁴ here, agreeing to this proposal.

haha actually nah

It’s obvious you’re joking because UPPERCUT doesn’t have a strategic specialist because we don’t have an innate strategy, we just make it up as we go lol. This is from an UPPERCUT leader saying this lol

also shield gang for life

[Praeceps]

haha actually nah

It’s obvious you’re joking because UPPERCUT doesn’t have a strategic specialist because we don’t have an innate strategy, we just make it up as we go lol. This is from an UPPERCUT leader saying this lol

also shield gang for life

S/he's referring to his specialty during the event.

[Lord Dominator]

Weak is a relative term. Few, maybe only one, factions were not weak to the Horsemen.

They were strong on paper if we're both talking about Uppercut, but melted very quickly.

Certainly, yes.